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[Bugs-r-devel] BUGS-R

[Gregor G. <gre...@bf...>]

Uwe hello!

I have just imported R2WinBUGS and BRugs package to SVN at BUGS-R.
Please subscribe to the bugs-r-devel list. I have a question about
OpenBUGS folder in BRugs package. I have not yet added this one as I am
wondering if it is wise to have this as a subfolder in SVN. OpenBUGS is
a project by itself. Am I right that this is exact copy of OpenBUGS from
Finland servers? I am not sure we should put OpenBUGS into inst folder.
Hmm, I totally agree that having OpenBUGS in BRugs package eases the
installation and that is great! I just wonder if we could hook something
like:

- We have BUGS-R SF project with its SVN
- Perhaps (I hope so) there will also BUGS SF project with SVN
- Then developer could have the following structure

bugs-r/BRugs
bugs-r/BRugs/R
...
bugs-r/BRugs/inst
...

from BUGS-R SVN and

in bugs-r/BRugs/inst also

bugs-r/BRugs/OpenBUGS

from BUGS SVN. This of course relies on assumption that OpenBUGS in
BRugs package is exact copy of OpenBUGS. We could also take care of
versions via trunk/branches folders.

Can we please discuss this issue?

P.S. Nobody (except you!) sent me yet SF usernames ;(

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Re: [Bugs-r-devel] BUGS-R

[Uwe L. <li...@st...>]

Gregor Gorjanc wrote:
> Uwe hello!
> 
> I have just imported R2WinBUGS and BRugs package to SVN at BUGS-R.
> Please subscribe to the bugs-r-devel list. 

I just did so.


> I have a question about
> OpenBUGS folder in BRugs package. I have not yet added this one as I am
> wondering if it is wise to have this as a subfolder in SVN. OpenBUGS is
> a project by itself. Am I right that this is exact copy of OpenBUGS from
> Finland servers? I am not sure we should put OpenBUGS into inst folder.

See below.

> Hmm, I totally agree that having OpenBUGS in BRugs package eases the
> installation and that is great! I just wonder if we could hook something
> like:
> 
> - We have BUGS-R SF project with its SVN
> - Perhaps (I hope so) there will also BUGS SF project with SVN

I doubt. It's Andrew Thomas. He is quite a clever guy, but he won't use 
such a tool. You cannot believe how his

> - Then developer could have the following structure
> 
> bugs-r/BRugs
> bugs-r/BRugs/R
> ...
> bugs-r/BRugs/inst
> ...
> 
> from BUGS-R SVN and
> 
> in bugs-r/BRugs/inst also
> 
> bugs-r/BRugs/OpenBUGS
> 
> from BUGS SVN. This of course relies on assumption that OpenBUGS in
> BRugs package is exact copy of OpenBUGS. We could also take care of
> versions via trunk/branches folders.
> 
> Can we please discuss this issue?
> 
> P.S. Nobody (except you!) sent me yet SF usernames ;(

That's what I assumed before.


Re. integration of OpenBUGS:
It is most of the times the official version, but it also has been a 
fixed version that was not available on the BUGS site two times already.
I think we should assume the recent OpenBUGS version for development and 
include some text file into the inst directory that explains what to do 
for the release cycle (i.e. copying OpenBUGS into the package).

Best,
Uwe

Re: [Bugs-r-devel] BUGS-R

[Gregor G. <gre...@bf...>]

Uwe Ligges wrote:
> Gregor Gorjanc wrote:
>> Uwe hello!
>>
>> I have just imported R2WinBUGS and BRugs package to SVN at BUGS-R.
>> Please subscribe to the bugs-r-devel list. 
> 
> I just did so.

Great

>> I have a question about
>> OpenBUGS folder in BRugs package. I have not yet added this one as I am
>> wondering if it is wise to have this as a subfolder in SVN. OpenBUGS is
>> a project by itself. Am I right that this is exact copy of OpenBUGS from
>> Finland servers? I am not sure we should put OpenBUGS into inst folder.
> 
> See below.
> 
>> Hmm, I totally agree that having OpenBUGS in BRugs package eases the
>> installation and that is great! I just wonder if we could hook something
>> like:
>>
>> - We have BUGS-R SF project with its SVN
>> - Perhaps (I hope so) there will also BUGS SF project with SVN
> 
> I doubt. It's Andrew Thomas. He is quite a clever guy, but he won't use
> such a tool. You cannot believe how his

I see. Perhaps we could "persuade" him somehow to start using these
tools. It seems that this will not be an easy job. But I think that such
tools provide a nice way to monitor the progress and learn the code by
doing this. This seems to be essential for BUGS as it is written in
unpopular/unknown language. I will mail Andrew and we can see if I can
offer any help here to make this idea alive.

>> - Then developer could have the following structure
>>
>> bugs-r/BRugs
>> bugs-r/BRugs/R
>> ...
>> bugs-r/BRugs/inst
>> ...
>>
>> from BUGS-R SVN and
>>
>> in bugs-r/BRugs/inst also
>>
>> bugs-r/BRugs/OpenBUGS
>>
>> from BUGS SVN. This of course relies on assumption that OpenBUGS in
>> BRugs package is exact copy of OpenBUGS. We could also take care of
>> versions via trunk/branches folders.
>>
>> Can we please discuss this issue?
>>
>> P.S. Nobody (except you!) sent me yet SF usernames ;(
> 
> That's what I assumed before.

To bad. I will also inform other from previous SF&BUGS discussions about
BUGS-R. Hopefully, BUGS-R will get more attention.

> Re. integration of OpenBUGS:
> It is most of the times the official version, but it also has been a
> fixed version that was not available on the BUGS site two times already.

Additional reason for having BUGS in SVN like system, but you already
know that.

> I think we should assume the recent OpenBUGS version for development and
> include some text file into the inst directory that explains what to do
> for the release cycle (i.e. copying OpenBUGS into the package).

What exactly are you proposing here:

A To import current OpenBUGS tree into SVN (in BRugs/inst/) and then
update it now and then.

B Just copy OpenBUGS in inst map and publish complete BRugs package on
CRAN. Text file would indicate this process.

I am more in favour to option B. This way we can still hope for
BUGS-core SF project to become alive.

Gregor

Re: [Bugs-r-devel] BUGS-R

[Uwe L. <li...@st...>]

Gregor Gorjanc wrote:
> Uwe Ligges wrote:
>> Gregor Gorjanc wrote:
>>> Uwe hello!
>>>
>>> I have just imported R2WinBUGS and BRugs package to SVN at BUGS-R.
>>> Please subscribe to the bugs-r-devel list. 
>> I just did so.
> 
> Great
> 
>>> I have a question about
>>> OpenBUGS folder in BRugs package. I have not yet added this one as I am
>>> wondering if it is wise to have this as a subfolder in SVN. OpenBUGS is
>>> a project by itself. Am I right that this is exact copy of OpenBUGS from
>>> Finland servers? I am not sure we should put OpenBUGS into inst folder.
>> See below.
>>
>>> Hmm, I totally agree that having OpenBUGS in BRugs package eases the
>>> installation and that is great! I just wonder if we could hook something
>>> like:
>>>
>>> - We have BUGS-R SF project with its SVN
>>> - Perhaps (I hope so) there will also BUGS SF project with SVN
>> I doubt. It's Andrew Thomas. He is quite a clever guy, but he won't use
>> such a tool. You cannot believe how his
> 
> I see. Perhaps we could "persuade" him somehow to start using these
> tools. It seems that this will not be an easy job. But I think that such
> tools provide a nice way to monitor the progress and learn the code by
> doing this. This seems to be essential for BUGS as it is written in
> unpopular/unknown language. I will mail Andrew and we can see if I can
> offer any help here to make this idea alive.

Great!

>>> - Then developer could have the following structure
>>>
>>> bugs-r/BRugs
>>> bugs-r/BRugs/R
>>> ...
>>> bugs-r/BRugs/inst
>>> ...
>>>
>>> from BUGS-R SVN and
>>>
>>> in bugs-r/BRugs/inst also
>>>
>>> bugs-r/BRugs/OpenBUGS
>>>
>>> from BUGS SVN. This of course relies on assumption that OpenBUGS in
>>> BRugs package is exact copy of OpenBUGS. We could also take care of
>>> versions via trunk/branches folders.
>>>
>>> Can we please discuss this issue?
>>>
>>> P.S. Nobody (except you!) sent me yet SF usernames ;(
>> That's what I assumed before.
> 
> To bad. I will also inform other from previous SF&BUGS discussions about
> BUGS-R. Hopefully, BUGS-R will get more attention.


:-)


>> Re. integration of OpenBUGS:
>> It is most of the times the official version, but it also has been a
>> fixed version that was not available on the BUGS site two times already.
> 
> Additional reason for having BUGS in SVN like system, but you already
> know that.
> 
>> I think we should assume the recent OpenBUGS version for development and
>> include some text file into the inst directory that explains what to do
>> for the release cycle (i.e. copying OpenBUGS into the package).
> 
> What exactly are you proposing here:
> 
> A To import current OpenBUGS tree into SVN (in BRugs/inst/) and then
> update it now and then.
> 
> B Just copy OpenBUGS in inst map and publish complete BRugs package on
> CRAN. Text file would indicate this process.
> 
> I am more in favour to option B. This way we can still hope for
> BUGS-core SF project to become alive.
> 
> Gregor


Yes, B.

Uwe