Thread: Re: [Bluemusic-users] Audio Layers: Region Lists or not (Steven Yi)
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From: peiman k. <pei...@gm...> - 2013-08-30 09:49:33
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Hi Steven, Sorry for the delay. I wanted to reply properly to this as it's the feature I've been waiting for! I like having a region lists because of the way that I work. Here are the main reasons: 1- the region list in protools does not only create a region for an entire imported file (which is visualised in bold letters), but also regions for clips that are edited out of entire files. This means that every time I cut a region on the time line, I get two new regions added to the list. I can then rename these and drag-and-drop them independently. This is super useful when you want to use different instances of an edited chunk (so I can separate the attach and sustain portion of a sound and use them independently). Without the region list, this would have to be done in an external editor and imported into Blue. Also, this way one can apply a process to a region, which will then create a new region with the process applied to it. I'm thinking that with the regions list in blue, one can clone a region and apply different processes to it (like filters, EQs). This brings me to the next point... 2- Having regions would allow a more object-oriented approach. Ideally I don't think sound files should be treated differently from instruments. So I would like to be able to drag a sound file into a sound-object platter. Upon importing, blue will create a generic instrument, reading the file. (Possibly, with the option of reading directly from the disk, or loading into a table.) Editing the object on the time-line can then automatically create new instances of the instrument with the start/end pointers set differently. Also, each region should be able to load it's own plug-ins and automations should ideally be visualised per object (like the line object). So I don't think there should be a separate soundfile region list, but rather, a list of all the sound objects. Moreover, I think the list should contain things like automation curves, score lists, and python scripts that can be drag and dropped into different parameter fields with automatic scaling. Of course these different categories can be classified into different lists but in principle I prefer a more generic approach that doesn't differentiate between parameter lists, note lists, sounds files, and instruments. I realise that this sound very complex, but does it make any sense? Or do I need to consume another cup of coffee? To my mind, this is really what is lacking in the commercial software domain. Maybe Kyma goes very close to this, but there is no reason why Blue/csound can't do this better! Thanks! Peiman *www.peimankhosravi.co.uk || RSS Feed<http://peimankhosravi.co.uk/miscposts.rss> || Concert News <http://spectralkimia.wordpress.com/>* On 21 August 2013 06:02, <blu...@li...>wrote: > Send Bluemusic-users mailing list submissions to > blu...@li... > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > blu...@li... > > You can reach the person managing the list at > blu...@li... > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Bluemusic-users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Audio Layers: Region Lists or not (Steven Yi) > 2. Re: Blue 2.5.1 (peiman khosravi) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 00:08:29 -0400 > From: Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> > Subject: [Bluemusic-users] Audio Layers: Region Lists or not > To: blue users mailing list <blu...@li...> > Message-ID: > < > CAN...@ma...> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi All, > > I'm trying to figure out which way to go with Audio file importing > into blue. What I'm seeing is two different styles: > > 1. Regions and Region lists: I'm seeing this in Ardour and ProTools. > The list of files is show with regions of those files. This is > displayed in a treeTable interface. Adding files can be done directly > to the timeline (which creates an entry into region list table), or > added to region list first then dragged into the timeline. > > 2. No region list: files are dragged into timeline through some > browser (file browser, library browser). I'm seeing this in Live and > Reaper. > > What I'm wondering is, how do you all find region lists? My instinct > right now is to develop without it to start. Audio clips would then > be dragged in from a file browser. If you copy or split a clip, each > one has it's own unique properties and choose what file to point to. > > I think I could create a informational table that could show a list of > all clips with basic shared info (time start, end, fade time in/out, > etc.) that could act like a region list, but simply informative. > > I haven't seen what Protools does for region lists in terms of features. > > Any thoughts on this would be appreciated! > > steven > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 06:01:52 +0100 > From: peiman khosravi <pei...@gm...> > Subject: Re: [Bluemusic-users] Blue 2.5.1 > To: blue users mailing list <blu...@li...> > Message-ID: > <CACcwOuOj= > S6o...@ma...> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Steven, > > Where is the installer located? I can't find it. > > Thanks > Peiman > > > > > *www.peimankhosravi.co.uk || RSS > Feed<http://peimankhosravi.co.uk/miscposts.rss> || > Concert News <http://spectralkimia.wordpress.com/>* > > > On 20 August 2013 23:29, <blu...@li... > >wrote: > > > Send Bluemusic-users mailing list submissions to > > blu...@li... > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > blu...@li... > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > blu...@li... > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Bluemusic-users digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Blue 2.5.1 (Steven Yi) > > 2. Re: Blue 2.5.1 (Cacophony7) > > 3. Re: Blue 2.5.1 (menno) > > 4. Re: Blue 2.5.1 (menno) > > 5. Re: Blue 2.5.1 (Steven Yi) > > 6. Re: Blue 2.5.1 (Steven Yi) > > 7. Re: Blue 2.5.1 (menno) > > 8. Re: Blue 2.5.1 (Steven Yi) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 23:49:41 -0400 > > From: Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> > > Subject: [Bluemusic-users] Blue 2.5.1 > > To: blue users mailing list <blu...@li...> > > Message-ID: > > < > > CAN...@ma...> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Hi All, > > > > I've released a new version of blue, available through: > > > > http://ww.kunstmusik.com > > > > This is a bug fix release for device selection in the Realtime Render > > Settings options. Changelog is below. > > > > Thanks! > > steven > > > > CHANGE LOG] > > > > >Notes for 2.5.1< > > [release 2013.08.19] > > > > FIXES > > > > * Updated Audio I/O and Midi I/O Device detection in Realtime Render > > Settings > > Panel to work with both Csound 5 and Csound 6 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 22:07:18 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Cacophony7 <mic...@gm...> > > Subject: Re: [Bluemusic-users] Blue 2.5.1 > > To: blu...@li... > > Message-ID: <137...@n5...> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > Can you cut, copy and paste notes in the PianoRoll? That would be cool! > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > > http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/Blue-2-5-1-tp5726896p5726898.html > > Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 23:58:56 -0700 (PDT) > > From: menno <nab...@ya...> > > Subject: Re: [Bluemusic-users] Blue 2.5.1 > > To: blu...@li... > > Message-ID: <137...@n5...> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > Hi Steven, > > > > the link you gave to Blue is wrong - it should be: > > http://blue.kunstmusik.com/ > > > > thanks for the hard work, > > greetings, > > Menno > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > > http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/Blue-2-5-1-tp5726896p5726900.html > > Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 02:26:41 -0700 (PDT) > > From: menno <nab...@ya...> > > Subject: Re: [Bluemusic-users] Blue 2.5.1 > > To: blu...@li... > > Message-ID: <137...@n5...> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > Hi Steven, > > > > running 2.5.1 from terminal i got an error of which i made a screenshot: > > shot-2013-08-20_11-18-16.jpg > > < > > > http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/file/n5726902/shot-2013-08-20_11-18-16.jpg > > > > > > > A few days back i ran: sudo apt-get build-dep csound > > and that forced me to install openjdk6 as a dependency. > > Openjdk7 is already installed on my system. > > > > Does Csound really need this old version of openjdk (=version 6)? Can > this > > be updated to the newer version 7? > > > > I kinda forgot how to point the java version to openjdk, instead of 6. > Can > > you please tell me one more time? > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > > http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/Blue-2-5-1-tp5726896p5726902.html > > Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:18:45 -0400 > > From: Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> > > Subject: Re: [Bluemusic-users] Blue 2.5.1 > > To: blue users mailing list <blu...@li...> > > Message-ID: > > <CANtcCs6BM5Gn1zcOv6MH6Uzf0QOYThHV8x= > > 3SS...@ma...> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > There's instructions here on changing the default java/javac: > > > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java > > > > The important commands are: > > > > $ sudo update-alternatives --config java > > $ sudo update-alternatives --config javac > > > > As for the dependencies, I think it's a minimum one they're using for > > debian. They're very conservative there. :) > > > > Let me know if you run into any further issues. > > > > Thanks! > > steven > > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:26 AM, menno <nab...@ya...> wrote: > > > Hi Steven, > > > > > > running 2.5.1 from terminal i got an error of which i made a > screenshot: > > > shot-2013-08-20_11-18-16.jpg > > > < > > > http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/file/n5726902/shot-2013-08-20_11-18-16.jpg > > > > > > > > > A few days back i ran: sudo apt-get build-dep csound > > > and that forced me to install openjdk6 as a dependency. > > > Openjdk7 is already installed on my system. > > > > > > Does Csound really need this old version of openjdk (=version 6)? Can > > this > > > be updated to the newer version 7? > > > > > > I kinda forgot how to point the java version to openjdk, instead of 6. > > Can > > > you please tell me one more time? > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > View this message in context: > > http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/Blue-2-5-1-tp5726896p5726902.html > > > Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Introducing Performance Central, a new site from SourceForge and > > > AppDynamics. Performance Central is your source for news, insights, > > > analysis and resources for efficient Application Performance > Management. > > > Visit us today! > > > > > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897511&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Bluemusic-users mailing list > > > Blu...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 11:33:41 -0400 > > From: Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> > > Subject: Re: [Bluemusic-users] Blue 2.5.1 > > To: blue users mailing list <blu...@li...> > > Message-ID: > > < > > CAN...@ma...> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Hi Michael, > > > > Please file a feature request for this and I'll look at implementing > > it for the next release. > > > > Thanks! > > steven > > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:07 AM, Cacophony7 <mic...@gm...> > > wrote: > > > Can you cut, copy and paste notes in the PianoRoll? That would be cool! > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > View this message in context: > > http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/Blue-2-5-1-tp5726896p5726898.html > > > Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Introducing Performance Central, a new site from SourceForge and > > > AppDynamics. Performance Central is your source for news, insights, > > > analysis and resources for efficient Application Performance > Management. > > > Visit us today! > > > > > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897511&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Bluemusic-users mailing list > > > Blu...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:56:31 -0700 (PDT) > > From: menno <nab...@ya...> > > Subject: Re: [Bluemusic-users] Blue 2.5.1 > > To: blu...@li... > > Message-ID: <137...@n5...> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > Hi Steven, > > > > nearly there! The jack output is found, also the Portmidi midi and out. > But > > it crashes when i push the button to find the Jack In. I have tried with > > Blue running in terminal AND doubleclick. Same result: crash, and no > errors > > are shown. > > > > Just an idea: when one opens Blue for the first time and one wants to > make > > Blue ready for use with the Csound6 API, perhaps a window could open that > > lets you point to lib_jcsound6.so - or, perhaps, even better, in the > > Options > > menu? > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > > http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/Blue-2-5-1-tp5726896p5726926.html > > Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:29:20 -0400 > > From: Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> > > Subject: Re: [Bluemusic-users] Blue 2.5.1 > > To: blue users mailing list <blu...@li...> > > Message-ID: > > <CANtcCs4PRmuKPQLU_DYYe= > > ynQ...@ma...> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Hi Menno, > > > > For #1, I just tried here on OSX and got a crash. The crash report > > though doesn't seem to help much as it shows all native code calls in > > the stack of the thread that crashed. However, the issue is tricky. > > If I start a jack server (i.e. "jackd -d coreaudio") then blue will > > not crash if I try multiple times. If I do not jack already started, > > then I think Csound tries to launch one and in that case, I am getting > > crashes. > > > > Do you have jack server already started and running when you try this > > in Blue? I'm wondering if the behavior is different on OSX than it is > > on Linux. > > > > As for #2, unfortunately something like is not possible. I agree that > > some kind of configuration dialog would be great, but the problem is > > that lib_jcsound6.so is a native library. This pretty much needs to > > be loaded and known about during Blue's startup. The worst case > > scenario is one version of the library is loaded, and then another > > version is tried to load. This could cause library functions with the > > same names but from different libraries to be in the same loader and > > then things go haywire and usually ends in a crash. This is also the > > reason I had to go with either loading CS5 API or CS6 API, but not > > both, as it would cause crashes. > > > > A solution might be for me to release a 3rd release artifact for > > Linux, one that has some sensible default paths setup (i.e. > > /usr/lib/jni, /usr/local/lib/, etc.). I can't set that as it is now > > as the same conf file gets used if running on Windows from that zip > > build. I'd love to see if there are easier solutions. If you would, > > file a feature request for having Blue pre-setup for Linux paths for > > loading Csound API. I'll look at it for one of the next few releases. > > > > Thanks! > > steven > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:56 PM, menno <nab...@ya...> wrote: > > > Hi Steven, > > > > > > nearly there! 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From: Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> - 2013-08-30 17:40:58
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Hi Peiman, The implementation of AudioLayers will essentially use a single instrument to playback audio files. The instrument will be configurable with a number of parameters, but those are details the user will never see. It will handle things like fades, routing to mixer channel, etc. It seem to me that Region lists in and of themselves are orthogonal to the user actions you mention (splitting, renaming clips, etc.). Those kinds of things work just fine in a program like Reaper, which does not use region lists. The current abstraction in Blue I'm working with is called AudioClip. It will be able to be split, copied, etc. For something where AudioClips are pointed to, similarly to how the SoundObject Library works, is not going to be part of this first round of dev. It's not difficult, but I want to get the core features first. My plan has been to get core features setup, then get user requests and have stable places from which to add on. For clips, we could call them Instances like in SoundObjects, or maybe something like "Shadows" or "AudioLinks" or something. For generic operations upon all musical materials, regardless of type: this is an interesting idea that shows up in the literature, mostly through Roger Dannenberg's work. His early papers on Fugue/Arctic/Canon, and later work with Nyquist discusses how operations can apply to different kinds of materials. The examples mostly discuss how things like stretching materials may do different things when applied to audio files and note lists, how envelopes may scale different segments differently, etc. The implementation of something like that in an object-based system is tricky, where an object may have to implement an interface, or some kind of map of object-type to object-transformation can be used. Using a protocol-based system is essentially the same as the type/transformation map. I think this kind of stuff needs further investigation before we can start to look at implementation. The best thing for next steps would be to collect use cases. Could you list a set of cases in the form of: 1. user applies "decrescendo" action to note list 2. user applies "decrescendo" action to Audio file I can imagine too that the "ScoreActions" could be user-definable. That'd be sort of neat, IMO. Imagine as a user, you could script a ScoreAction that would automate a number of tasks, then have that score action as part of your local score action library that you could then right-click and apply to a number of items. Other kinds of actions could be very interesting too. Imagine things like "vintage" or "radio" as an action that would automatically apply to selected channels and insert effects pre-configured to band-pass, distort, etc. I think one of the big companies (Propellerheads, NI, Arturia) recently came out with a program like this, comparing it to how Instragram has a set of preset filters for transforming visuals. steven On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 5:49 AM, peiman khosravi <pei...@gm...> wrote: > > Hi Steven, > > Sorry for the delay. I wanted to reply properly to this as it's the feature > I've been waiting for! > > I like having a region lists because of the way that I work. Here are the > main reasons: > > 1- the region list in protools does not only create a region for an entire > imported file (which is visualised in bold letters), but also regions for > clips that are edited out of entire files. This means that every time I cut > a region on the time line, I get two new regions added to the list. I can > then rename these and drag-and-drop them independently. This is super useful > when you want to use different instances of an edited chunk (so I can > separate the attach and sustain portion of a sound and use them > independently). Without the region list, this would have to be done in an > external editor and imported into Blue. Also, this way one can apply a > process to a region, which will then create a new region with the process > applied to it. I'm thinking that with the regions list in blue, one can > clone a region and apply different processes to it (like filters, EQs). This > brings me to the next point... > > 2- Having regions would allow a more object-oriented approach. Ideally I > don't think sound files should be treated differently from instruments. So I > would like to be able to drag a sound file into a sound-object platter. Upon > importing, blue will create a generic instrument, reading the file. > (Possibly, with the option of reading directly from the disk, or loading > into a table.) Editing the object on the time-line can then automatically > create new instances of the instrument with the start/end pointers set > differently. Also, each region should be able to load it's own plug-ins and > automations should ideally be visualised per object (like the line object). > > So I don't think there should be a separate soundfile region list, but > rather, a list of all the sound objects. Moreover, I think the list should > contain things like automation curves, score lists, and python scripts that > can be drag and dropped into different parameter fields with automatic > scaling. Of course these different categories can be classified into > different lists but in principle I prefer a more generic approach that > doesn't differentiate between parameter lists, note lists, sounds files, and > instruments. > > I realise that this sound very complex, but does it make any sense? Or do I > need to consume another cup of coffee? To my mind, this is really what is > lacking in the commercial software domain. Maybe Kyma goes very close to > this, but there is no reason why Blue/csound can't do this better! > > Thanks! > Peiman > > > > > www.peimankhosravi.co.uk || RSS Feed || Concert News > > > On 21 August 2013 06:02, <blu...@li...> > wrote: >> >> Send Bluemusic-users mailing list submissions to >> blu...@li... >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> blu...@li... >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> blu...@li... >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Bluemusic-users digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Audio Layers: Region Lists or not (Steven Yi) >> 2. Re: Blue 2.5.1 (peiman khosravi) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 00:08:29 -0400 >> From: Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> >> Subject: [Bluemusic-users] Audio Layers: Region Lists or not >> To: blue users mailing list <blu...@li...> >> Message-ID: >> >> <CAN...@ma...> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi All, >> >> I'm trying to figure out which way to go with Audio file importing >> into blue. What I'm seeing is two different styles: >> >> 1. Regions and Region lists: I'm seeing this in Ardour and ProTools. >> The list of files is show with regions of those files. This is >> displayed in a treeTable interface. Adding files can be done directly >> to the timeline (which creates an entry into region list table), or >> added to region list first then dragged into the timeline. >> >> 2. No region list: files are dragged into timeline through some >> browser (file browser, library browser). I'm seeing this in Live and >> Reaper. >> >> What I'm wondering is, how do you all find region lists? My instinct >> right now is to develop without it to start. Audio clips would then >> be dragged in from a file browser. If you copy or split a clip, each >> one has it's own unique properties and choose what file to point to. >> >> I think I could create a informational table that could show a list of >> all clips with basic shared info (time start, end, fade time in/out, >> etc.) that could act like a region list, but simply informative. >> >> I haven't seen what Protools does for region lists in terms of features. >> >> Any thoughts on this would be appreciated! >> >> steven >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 06:01:52 +0100 >> From: peiman khosravi <pei...@gm...> >> Subject: Re: [Bluemusic-users] Blue 2.5.1 >> To: blue users mailing list <blu...@li...> >> Message-ID: >> >> <CACcwOuOj=S6o...@ma...> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hi Steven, >> >> Where is the installer located? I can't find it. >> >> Thanks >> Peiman >> >> >> >> >> *www.peimankhosravi.co.uk || RSS >> Feed<http://peimankhosravi.co.uk/miscposts.rss> || >> Concert News <http://spectralkimia.wordpress.com/>* >> >> >> On 20 August 2013 23:29, >> <blu...@li...>wrote: >> >> > Send Bluemusic-users mailing list submissions to >> > blu...@li... >> > >> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users >> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> > blu...@li... >> > >> > You can reach the person managing the list at >> > blu...@li... >> > >> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> > than "Re: Contents of Bluemusic-users digest..." >> > >> > >> > Today's Topics: >> > >> > 1. Blue 2.5.1 (Steven Yi) >> > 2. Re: Blue 2.5.1 (Cacophony7) >> > 3. Re: Blue 2.5.1 (menno) >> > 4. Re: Blue 2.5.1 (menno) >> > 5. Re: Blue 2.5.1 (Steven Yi) >> > 6. Re: Blue 2.5.1 (Steven Yi) >> > 7. Re: Blue 2.5.1 (menno) >> > 8. Re: Blue 2.5.1 (Steven Yi) >> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > Message: 1 >> > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 23:49:41 -0400 >> > From: Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> >> > Subject: [Bluemusic-users] Blue 2.5.1 >> > To: blue users mailing list <blu...@li...> >> > Message-ID: >> > < >> > CAN...@ma...> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> > >> > Hi All, >> > >> > I've released a new version of blue, available through: >> > >> > http://ww.kunstmusik.com >> > >> > This is a bug fix release for device selection in the Realtime Render >> > Settings options. Changelog is below. >> > >> > Thanks! >> > steven >> > >> > CHANGE LOG] >> > >> > >Notes for 2.5.1< >> > [release 2013.08.19] >> > >> > FIXES >> > >> > * Updated Audio I/O and Midi I/O Device detection in Realtime Render >> > Settings >> > Panel to work with both Csound 5 and Csound 6 >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 2 >> > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 22:07:18 -0700 (PDT) >> > From: Cacophony7 <mic...@gm...> >> > Subject: Re: [Bluemusic-users] Blue 2.5.1 >> > To: blu...@li... >> > Message-ID: <137...@n5...> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> > >> > Can you cut, copy and paste notes in the PianoRoll? That would be cool! >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > View this message in context: >> > http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/Blue-2-5-1-tp5726896p5726898.html >> > Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 3 >> > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 23:58:56 -0700 (PDT) >> > From: menno <nab...@ya...> >> > Subject: Re: [Bluemusic-users] Blue 2.5.1 >> > To: blu...@li... >> > Message-ID: <137...@n5...> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> > >> > Hi Steven, >> > >> > the link you gave to Blue is wrong - it should be: >> > http://blue.kunstmusik.com/ >> > >> > thanks for the hard work, >> > greetings, >> > Menno >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > View this message in context: >> > http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/Blue-2-5-1-tp5726896p5726900.html >> > Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 4 >> > Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 02:26:41 -0700 (PDT) >> > From: menno <nab...@ya...> >> > Subject: Re: [Bluemusic-users] Blue 2.5.1 >> > To: blu...@li... >> > Message-ID: <137...@n5...> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> > >> > Hi Steven, >> > >> > running 2.5.1 from terminal i got an error of which i made a screenshot: >> > shot-2013-08-20_11-18-16.jpg >> > < >> > >> > http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/file/n5726902/shot-2013-08-20_11-18-16.jpg >> > > >> > >> > A few days back i ran: sudo apt-get build-dep csound >> > and that forced me to install openjdk6 as a dependency. >> > Openjdk7 is already installed on my system. >> > >> > Does Csound really need this old version of openjdk (=version 6)? Can >> > this >> > be updated to the newer version 7? >> > >> > I kinda forgot how to point the java version to openjdk, instead of 6. >> > Can >> > you please tell me one more time? >> > >> > thanks >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > View this message in context: >> > http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/Blue-2-5-1-tp5726896p5726902.html >> > Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 5 >> > Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:18:45 -0400 >> > From: Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> >> > Subject: Re: [Bluemusic-users] Blue 2.5.1 >> > To: blue users mailing list <blu...@li...> >> > Message-ID: >> > <CANtcCs6BM5Gn1zcOv6MH6Uzf0QOYThHV8x= >> > 3SS...@ma...> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> > >> > There's instructions here on changing the default java/javac: >> > >> > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java >> > >> > The important commands are: >> > >> > $ sudo update-alternatives --config java >> > $ sudo update-alternatives --config javac >> > >> > As for the dependencies, I think it's a minimum one they're using for >> > debian. They're very conservative there. :) >> > >> > Let me know if you run into any further issues. >> > >> > Thanks! >> > steven >> > >> > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:26 AM, menno <nab...@ya...> wrote: >> > > Hi Steven, >> > > >> > > running 2.5.1 from terminal i got an error of which i made a >> > > screenshot: >> > > shot-2013-08-20_11-18-16.jpg >> > > < >> > >> > http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/file/n5726902/shot-2013-08-20_11-18-16.jpg >> > > >> > > >> > > A few days back i ran: sudo apt-get build-dep csound >> > > and that forced me to install openjdk6 as a dependency. >> > > Openjdk7 is already installed on my system. >> > > >> > > Does Csound really need this old version of openjdk (=version 6)? Can >> > this >> > > be updated to the newer version 7? >> > > >> > > I kinda forgot how to point the java version to openjdk, instead of 6. >> > Can >> > > you please tell me one more time? >> > > >> > > thanks >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > View this message in context: >> > http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/Blue-2-5-1-tp5726896p5726902.html >> > > Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > > >> > > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > Introducing Performance Central, a new site from SourceForge and >> > > AppDynamics. Performance Central is your source for news, insights, >> > > analysis and resources for efficient Application Performance >> > > Management. >> > > Visit us today! >> > > >> > >> > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897511&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Bluemusic-users mailing list >> > > Blu...@li... >> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 6 >> > Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 11:33:41 -0400 >> > From: Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> >> > Subject: Re: [Bluemusic-users] Blue 2.5.1 >> > To: blue users mailing list <blu...@li...> >> > Message-ID: >> > < >> > CAN...@ma...> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> > >> > Hi Michael, >> > >> > Please file a feature request for this and I'll look at implementing >> > it for the next release. >> > >> > Thanks! >> > steven >> > >> > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:07 AM, Cacophony7 <mic...@gm...> >> > wrote: >> > > Can you cut, copy and paste notes in the PianoRoll? That would be >> > > cool! >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > View this message in context: >> > http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/Blue-2-5-1-tp5726896p5726898.html >> > > Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > > >> > > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > Introducing Performance Central, a new site from SourceForge and >> > > AppDynamics. Performance Central is your source for news, insights, >> > > analysis and resources for efficient Application Performance >> > > Management. >> > > Visit us today! >> > > >> > >> > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897511&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Bluemusic-users mailing list >> > > Blu...@li... >> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 7 >> > Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:56:31 -0700 (PDT) >> > From: menno <nab...@ya...> >> > Subject: Re: [Bluemusic-users] Blue 2.5.1 >> > To: blu...@li... >> > Message-ID: <137...@n5...> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> > >> > Hi Steven, >> > >> > nearly there! The jack output is found, also the Portmidi midi and out. >> > But >> > it crashes when i push the button to find the Jack In. I have tried with >> > Blue running in terminal AND doubleclick. Same result: crash, and no >> > errors >> > are shown. >> > >> > Just an idea: when one opens Blue for the first time and one wants to >> > make >> > Blue ready for use with the Csound6 API, perhaps a window could open >> > that >> > lets you point to lib_jcsound6.so - or, perhaps, even better, in the >> > Options >> > menu? >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > View this message in context: >> > http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/Blue-2-5-1-tp5726896p5726926.html >> > Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 8 >> > Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:29:20 -0400 >> > From: Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> >> > Subject: Re: [Bluemusic-users] Blue 2.5.1 >> > To: blue users mailing list <blu...@li...> >> > Message-ID: >> > <CANtcCs4PRmuKPQLU_DYYe= >> > ynQ...@ma...> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> > >> > Hi Menno, >> > >> > For #1, I just tried here on OSX and got a crash. The crash report >> > though doesn't seem to help much as it shows all native code calls in >> > the stack of the thread that crashed. However, the issue is tricky. >> > If I start a jack server (i.e. "jackd -d coreaudio") then blue will >> > not crash if I try multiple times. If I do not jack already started, >> > then I think Csound tries to launch one and in that case, I am getting >> > crashes. >> > >> > Do you have jack server already started and running when you try this >> > in Blue? I'm wondering if the behavior is different on OSX than it is >> > on Linux. >> > >> > As for #2, unfortunately something like is not possible. I agree that >> > some kind of configuration dialog would be great, but the problem is >> > that lib_jcsound6.so is a native library. This pretty much needs to >> > be loaded and known about during Blue's startup. The worst case >> > scenario is one version of the library is loaded, and then another >> > version is tried to load. This could cause library functions with the >> > same names but from different libraries to be in the same loader and >> > then things go haywire and usually ends in a crash. This is also the >> > reason I had to go with either loading CS5 API or CS6 API, but not >> > both, as it would cause crashes. >> > >> > A solution might be for me to release a 3rd release artifact for >> > Linux, one that has some sensible default paths setup (i.e. >> > /usr/lib/jni, /usr/local/lib/, etc.). I can't set that as it is now >> > as the same conf file gets used if running on Windows from that zip >> > build. I'd love to see if there are easier solutions. If you would, >> > file a feature request for having Blue pre-setup for Linux paths for >> > loading Csound API. I'll look at it for one of the next few releases. >> > >> > Thanks! >> > steven >> > >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:56 PM, menno <nab...@ya...> wrote: >> > > Hi Steven, >> > > >> > > nearly there! The jack output is found, also the Portmidi midi and >> > > out. >> > But >> > > it crashes when i push the button to find the Jack In. I have tried >> > > with >> > > Blue running in terminal AND doubleclick. Same result: crash, and no >> > errors >> > > are shown. >> > > >> > > Just an idea: when one opens Blue for the first time and one wants to >> > make >> > > Blue ready for use with the Csound6 API, perhaps a window could open >> > > that >> > > lets you point to lib_jcsound6.so - or, perhaps, even better, in the >> > Options >> > > menu? >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > View this message in context: >> > http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/Blue-2-5-1-tp5726896p5726926.html >> > > Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > > >> > > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > Introducing Performance Central, a new site from SourceForge and >> > > AppDynamics. 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