Thread: [Bluemusic-users] JMask Beta
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From: Steven Y. <ste...@gm...> - 2008-05-03 01:41:46
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Hi All, I've put up a test build of the current blue at: http://www.kunstmusik.com/blue_0.123.0_beta.zip http://www.kunstmusik.com/blue_0.123.0_beta_installer.jar This has the "first draft" of JMask. Everything should currently function. I am interested to get user feedback primarily on the interface. Right now, if a parameter supports masks, accumulators, or quantizers, the editor for them will show with an enabled button. If one uses a number of parameters, the interface can get quite tall so that much scrolling is needed to move between parameters. I am wondering: -Should the editor only show one parameter at a time, having a list of parameters to move between? -Should the editor remain as-is but hide mask/accumulator? -Any other suggestions? To use add or edit parameter types, right-click on a number panel on the left of a current parameter. This will give you options to add a parameter before/after, or change the current parameter's type. Any feedback greatly appreciated!!! Thanks, steven |
From: menno <nab...@ya...> - 2008-05-03 06:58:45
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Hi Steven, list, This is great news! i've downloaded the beta and will install and use it tomorrow. I was just using a lot of External SoundObjects running Cmask at the moment and will now try to get the same results when using Jmask. I will report back about my findings. Menno ----- http://home.hccnet.nl/mag.knevel/ http://www.jamendo.com/de/album/6789/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/7428/ -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/JMask-Beta-tp17030688p17032363.html Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: Steven Y. <ste...@gm...> - 2008-05-03 19:11:15
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Hi Menno, Thanks! I will be very interested to hear your thoughts on this! steven On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 2:58 AM, menno <nab...@ya...> wrote: > > Hi Steven, list, > > This is great news! i've downloaded the beta and will install and use it > tomorrow. I was just using a lot of External SoundObjects running Cmask at > the moment and will now try to get the same results when using Jmask. > I will report back about my findings. > > Menno > > > > ----- > http://home.hccnet.nl/mag.knevel/ > http://www.jamendo.com/de/album/6789/ > http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/7428/ > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/JMask-Beta-tp17030688p17032363.html > Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference > Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100. > Use priority code J8TL2D2. > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http://java.sun.com/javaone > _______________________________________________ > Bluemusic-users mailing list > Blu...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > |
From: menno <nab...@ya...> - 2008-05-04 08:28:52
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Hello Steven, i guess by default p1, p2 and p3 are genrated after creating a JMaskObject. How can i create other p's? Menno ----- http://home.hccnet.nl/mag.knevel/ http://www.jamendo.com/de/album/6789/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/7428/ -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/JMask-Beta-tp17030688p17043774.html Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: menno <nab...@ya...> - 2008-05-04 09:22:20
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Hi Steven, i've used this instrument example to test it with kenv line 1, p3, 0 ares oscil 20000*kenv, 400, 1 outs ares, ares changing the 'const' of p2 and p3 works as expected, but i don't see how i can use 'range' command from Cmask. I guess i don't know how to look at the graphs as they don't seem to influence p2 nor p3. Is the only accumulator activated by the little ticking window or should the graphs become active as well? Could you post a blue file using the instrument above as a translation from the Cmask code (so i can compare): { f1 0 4096 10 1 } f 0 10 p1 const 1 p2 const 1 p3 seg (0 .1 5 1) This External SoundObject has a duration of 10 seconds. Menno ----- http://home.hccnet.nl/mag.knevel/ http://www.jamendo.com/de/album/6789/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/7428/ -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/JMask-Beta-tp17030688p17044331.html Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: Steven Y. <ste...@gm...> - 2008-05-04 18:25:30
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Hi Menno, I tried to explain this in my initial email but it's sort of tricky without a picture I think. The panels on the left of each parameter say "1", "2", "3" to correspond to the pfield number. If you right-click that, you will get a menu that says "Add Parameter Before", "Add Parameter After", "Remove Parameter", an d"Change Parameter Type". This will all adding parameters. Let me know if this is still confusing and I'll try to put a picture up later (and I will be very careful to create screenshots for the manual when I do this!) Thanks and good luck! steven On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 4:28 AM, menno <nab...@ya...> wrote: > > Hello Steven, > > i guess by default p1, p2 and p3 are genrated after creating a JMaskObject. > How can i create other p's? > > > Menno > > ----- > http://home.hccnet.nl/mag.knevel/ > http://www.jamendo.com/de/album/6789/ > http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/7428/ > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/JMask-Beta-tp17030688p17043774.html > > > Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference > Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100. > Use priority code J8TL2D2. > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http://java.sun.com/javaone > _______________________________________________ > Bluemusic-users mailing list > Blu...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > |
From: menno <nab...@ya...> - 2008-05-04 19:28:50
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Hi Menno, >I tried to explain this in my initial email but it's sort of tricky without a picture I think. The panels on the left of each parameter say "1", "2", "3" to correspond to the pfield number. If you right-click that, you will get a menu that says "Add Parameter Before", "Add Parameter After", "Remove Parameter", an d"Change Parameter Type". This will all adding parameters. Haha i didn't know this. This means i can do some more testing :) Maybe it is better to give all the parameter to be created their own tab within the Score. When the graphs are all at the same height it gives a better view of what the different p-values are doing at the same time and you don't have to scroll up and down all the time. And maybe - and this is an old wish of mine - it is possible to make another tab named 'RESULT' that shows the events generated after pushing the TEST button. One could for example see the length changing over time (p3), the density (p2), the effect the masking or accumulator has on the events. It's a thing from AthenaCL i appreciate to see where the events are moving to. Menno ----- http://home.hccnet.nl/mag.knevel/ http://www.jamendo.com/de/album/6789/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/7428/ -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/JMask-Beta-tp17030688p17050338.html Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: Steven Y. <ste...@gm...> - 2008-05-04 18:37:59
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HI Menno, I found a bug where the Mask and Accumulator were being used regardless if set enabled or not. As for the graphs, they usually have a radio button next them and another radio button next to the constant version right above it (with the spinner entry widget). The GUI is setup where you can use one or the other, i.e. set a constant value or use the table. I am debating if it is worth the complication to have separate options for constant or table, and maybe can just always use a table. If the user wants a constant value they can set the line value to a single value. Do you think that would be clearer? That way, one table can have the max and min lines which I think may make it more apparent to the user what are the boundaries. As for the graphs, I realize I had meant to set it where the time value of the soundObject would show, not just 0-1.0 (for y values). I will fix this today and the put together another build and put it up online, then will reply here together with an example translation .blue file of your CMask example. Thanks for working wtih me on this! steven On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 5:22 AM, menno <nab...@ya...> wrote: > > Hi Steven, > > i've used this instrument example to test it with > > kenv line 1, p3, 0 > ares oscil 20000*kenv, 400, 1 > > outs ares, ares > > changing the 'const' of p2 and p3 works as expected, but i don't see how i > can use 'range' command from Cmask. I guess i don't know how to look at the > graphs as they don't seem to influence p2 nor p3. > Is the only accumulator activated by the little ticking window or should the > graphs become active as well? > Could you post a blue file using the instrument above as a translation from > the Cmask code (so i can compare): > > { > f1 0 4096 10 1 > } > > f 0 10 > > > p1 const 1 > p2 const 1 > p3 seg (0 .1 5 1) > > This External SoundObject has a duration of 10 seconds. > > > Menno > > ----- > http://home.hccnet.nl/mag.knevel/ > http://www.jamendo.com/de/album/6789/ > http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/7428/ > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/JMask-Beta-tp17030688p17044331.html > > > Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference > Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100. > Use priority code J8TL2D2. > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http://java.sun.com/javaone > _______________________________________________ > Bluemusic-users mailing list > Blu...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > |
From: menno <nab...@ya...> - 2008-05-04 19:28:41
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HI Menno, >I found a bug where the Mask and Accumulator were being used regardless if set enabled or not. As for the graphs, they usually have a radio button next them and another radio button next to the constant version right above it (with the spinner entry widget). The GUI is setup where you can use one or the other, i.e. set a constant value or use the table. I am debating if it is worth the complication to have separate options for constant or table, and maybe can just always use a table. If the user wants a constant value they can set the line value to a single value. Do you think that would be clearer? That way, one table can have the max and min lines which I think may make it more apparent to the user what are the boundaries. Hello Steven, p1 has in my Cmask script uptill now always been a constant. But i guess it could be possible in theory that you can use p1 on more instruments that are compatible at the level of the quantity of parameters and for example random among those instruments. I think when i like to put in a constant value i would like to see the word 'constant'. It makes it clear right away and i don't have to look better what kind of values the table is showing. Is the Accumulator of interest when 'constant' as a value is chosen? All unnecessary visual info can be avoided from the screen i think. I will continue with some testing now. thanks for listening - even if you don't agree :) Menno ----- http://home.hccnet.nl/mag.knevel/ http://www.jamendo.com/de/album/6789/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/7428/ -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/JMask-Beta-tp17030688p17050336.html Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: menno <nab...@ya...> - 2008-05-04 20:28:30
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Hello Steven, i have done some more testing knowing how to alter the parameters now. I use a simple Cmask script for a simple instrument and convert it to a JmaskObject. I get this from xterm: WARNING: p2 = 0 ! and java goes to 100% CPU and stays there. the blue file is attached. http://www.nabble.com/file/p17050951/jmask3.blue jmask3.blue it's getting late here, I will do some more testing tomorrow :) Menno ----- http://home.hccnet.nl/mag.knevel/ http://www.jamendo.com/de/album/6789/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/7428/ -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/JMask-Beta-tp17030688p17050951.html Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: Steven Y. <ste...@gm...> - 2008-05-04 20:48:14
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Hi Menno, This project worked fine here, and I think it had to do with the bug I fixed earlier today in CVS where Masks and Accumulators were being applied even if disabled. So I think that will be alright. For the UI, there was one idea I had earlier where on that popup where you have the ability to change parameters, adding the Mask, Quantizer, and Accumulator as options to enable/disable there. At that point, we can get rid of the enable/disable checkbox on the editors for those, and they being enabled or disabled will be controlled by that popup. I think I will go ahead with that. It should make keeping the "rack" view that we have now more usable. I'll post an updated build later today. Thanks! steven On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 4:28 PM, menno <nab...@ya...> wrote: > > Hello Steven, > > i have done some more testing knowing how to alter the parameters now. I use > a simple Cmask script for a simple instrument and convert it to a > JmaskObject. > I get this from xterm: WARNING: p2 = 0 ! > and java goes to 100% CPU and stays there. > > the blue file is attached. > http://www.nabble.com/file/p17050951/jmask3.blue jmask3.blue > > it's getting late here, I will do some more testing tomorrow :) > > Menno > > ----- > http://home.hccnet.nl/mag.knevel/ > http://www.jamendo.com/de/album/6789/ > http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/7428/ > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/JMask-Beta-tp17030688p17050951.html > > > Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference > Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100. > Use priority code J8TL2D2. > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http://java.sun.com/javaone > _______________________________________________ > Bluemusic-users mailing list > Blu...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > |
From: Jan J. H. <jj...@so...> - 2008-05-04 21:55:26
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Dear Steven, Am 03.05.2008 um 03:41 schrieb Steven Yi: > Hi All, > > I've put up a test build of the current blue at: > > http://www.kunstmusik.com/blue_0.123.0_beta.zip > http://www.kunstmusik.com/blue_0.123.0_beta_installer.jar > > This has the "first draft" of JMask. Great Steven, a phantastic approach!!! I guess I should point Andre Bartetzki to it, he might be delighted to see what has become of Cmask. Maybe he has got even some more ideas to contribute? I guess for my part it will be much easier to work with Cmask in the future for me. So here is my contribution of thoughts regarding the GUI. > -Should the editor only show one parameter at a time, having a list of > parameters to move between? I guess the set of parameters shown should be easily configurable by the user. Maybe a bar with checkboxes [show/hide] would be useful.The user could then choose then wich parameters to see and to work on. Sometimes it is useful to see several parameters at once, but not all of them. By the way, I think the button to generate a new parameter or to delete one could be located there too, at least that is where I would intuitively assume to find it. A feature to make a copy of a parameter and rename it after to make changes would be cool. Or to be able to copy and paste parts of a graph, but that is maybe something for the future. > -Should the editor remain as-is but hide mask/accumulator? Often I do not use any masking or accumulator nor quantisation on a parameter. so, again a checkbox to show/ hide would be a nice solution. > To use add or edit parameter types, right-click on a number panel on > the left of a current parameter. This will give you options to add a > parameter before/after, or change the current parameter's type. > I think the changing if a parameter type could be a drop down menu right where the parameter type is displayed. Again this would b the intuitive way for me to change it. And it would be accessible directly that way. So, thank you so much so far, Steven, All the best, Jan Jacob |
From: Jan J. H. <jj...@so...> - 2008-05-04 21:56:06
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Hi Menno, hi Steven, this is a very familiar behavior to me of Cmask within blue running as the command line version and (if I do remember it right) also as used as a stand alone application: p2 must never be 0, else the CPU freaks out. Cheers, Jan Jacob Am 04.05.2008 um 22:28 schrieb menno: > I get this from xterm: WARNING: p2 = 0 ! > and java goes to 100% CPU and stays there. > > the blue file is attached. |
From: Steven Y. <ste...@gm...> - 2008-05-05 04:50:12
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Hi All, I have made some updates and placed builds at: http://www.kunstmusik.com/blue_0.123.0_beta.zip http://www.kunstmusik.com/blue_0.123.0_beta_installer.jar This version has two changes: one is that the Mask, Quantizer, and Accumulator are now hidden if disabled and showing if enabled. To enable/disable them, use the popup menu on the parameter bar to choose. The other change is that the graph points will now show x values using the duration of the soundObject, which should make better sense now for editing. There are still a number of things. I like Jan Jacob's idea of having parameters be showable/hideable. I think a way to maybe do this is to have a bar with buttons labelled 1,2,3,4, etc. and if you click them they will stay pressed down and the editor will show, otherwise the editor will be hidden. I will continue to think about how to do the graphs. I am still leaning towards removing the constant spinner widgets and just having the tables. I think visually it'll be the clearest as to the value of the parameters, especially in the case where there are high/low boundaries where it would make sense to collapse the two graphs into one. I will also look into adding an "Edit Points" option as there is in other table editors in blue. It's a little more complicated in this setting as it is in other table editors, but I think this should work fine. Thanks for feedback and looking forward to hearing back thoughts! steven On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Jan Jacob Hofmann <jj...@so...> wrote: > Hi Menno, hi Steven, > > this is a very familiar behavior to me of Cmask within blue running as the > command line version and (if I do remember it right) also as used as a stand > alone application: p2 must never be 0, else the CPU freaks out. > > > Cheers, > > Jan Jacob > > > > Am 04.05.2008 um 22:28 schrieb menno: > > > I get this from xterm: WARNING: p2 = 0 ! > and java goes to 100% CPU and stays there. > > the blue file is attached. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference > Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100. > Use priority code J8TL2D2. > > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http://java.sun.com/javaone > _______________________________________________ > Bluemusic-users mailing list > Blu...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > > |
From: Jan J. H. <jj...@so...> - 2008-05-05 10:07:28
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Dear List, I now wonder if a constant value should be shown as a graph. Maybe tere should be he option (or the default?) that constants are still shown just as a number? This leads me to the thought that this option could apply to all the parameters: A choice to display one parameter as a graph or in the conventional way a a line of text. one could flip between them by pushing a button. editing the graph would also edit the numbers in the text line and vice versa. Just a thought, Jan Jacob Am 04.05.2008 um 21:28 schrieb menno: > > > > HI Menno, > >> I found a bug where the Mask and Accumulator were being used > regardless if set enabled or not. As for the graphs, they usually > have a radio button next them and another radio button next to the > constant version right above it (with the spinner entry widget). The > GUI is setup where you can use one or the other, i.e. set a constant > value or use the table. I am debating if it is worth the complication > to have separate options for constant or table, and maybe can just > always use a table. If the user wants a constant value they can set > the line value to a single value. Do you think that would be clearer? > That way, one table can have the max and min lines which I think may > make it more apparent to the user what are the boundaries. > > Hello Steven, > > p1 has in my Cmask script uptill now always been a constant. But i > guess it > could be possible in theory that you can use p1 on more > instruments that > are compatible at the level of the quantity of parameters and for > example > random among those instruments. > I think when i like to put in a constant value i would like to see > the word > 'constant'. It makes it clear right away and i don't have to look > better > what kind of values the table is showing. > Is the Accumulator of interest when 'constant' as a value is > chosen? All > unnecessary visual info can be avoided from the screen i think. > > I will continue with some testing now. > > thanks for listening - even if you don't agree :) > > Menno > > > ----- > http://home.hccnet.nl/mag.knevel/ > http://www.jamendo.com/de/album/6789/ > http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/7428/ > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/JMask-Beta- > tp17030688p17050336.html > Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference > Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save > $100. > Use priority code J8TL2D2. > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http:// > java.sun.com/javaone > _______________________________________________ > Bluemusic-users mailing list > Blu...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > |
From: Steven Y. <ste...@gm...> - 2008-05-05 23:24:39
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Hi Jan Jacob, Do you think keeping it as it is now will work? (If so, less work for me! :P) The complication about drawing the value on the graph if the constant is used is that the min/max for the spinner box is not linked to the min/max of the graph at the moment. Thanks! steven On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 3:07 AM, Jan Jacob Hofmann <jj...@so...> wrote: > Dear List, > > I now wonder if a constant value should be shown as a graph. Maybe > tere should be he option (or the default?) that constants are still > shown just as a number? > This leads me to the thought that this option could apply to all the > parameters: A choice to display one parameter as a graph or in the > conventional way a a line of text. one could flip between them by > pushing a button. editing the graph would also edit the numbers in > the text line and vice versa. > > Just a thought, > > Jan Jacob > > > > > > > Am 04.05.2008 um 21:28 schrieb menno: > > > > > > > > > > > HI Menno, > > > >> I found a bug where the Mask and Accumulator were being used > > regardless if set enabled or not. As for the graphs, they usually > > have a radio button next them and another radio button next to the > > constant version right above it (with the spinner entry widget). The > > GUI is setup where you can use one or the other, i.e. set a constant > > value or use the table. I am debating if it is worth the complication > > to have separate options for constant or table, and maybe can just > > always use a table. If the user wants a constant value they can set > > the line value to a single value. Do you think that would be clearer? > > That way, one table can have the max and min lines which I think may > > make it more apparent to the user what are the boundaries. > > > > Hello Steven, > > > > p1 has in my Cmask script uptill now always been a constant. But i > > guess it > > could be possible in theory that you can use p1 on more > > instruments that > > are compatible at the level of the quantity of parameters and for > > example > > random among those instruments. > > I think when i like to put in a constant value i would like to see > > the word > > 'constant'. It makes it clear right away and i don't have to look > > better > > what kind of values the table is showing. > > Is the Accumulator of interest when 'constant' as a value is > > chosen? All > > unnecessary visual info can be avoided from the screen i think. > > > > I will continue with some testing now. > > > > thanks for listening - even if you don't agree :) > > > > Menno > > > > > > ----- > > http://home.hccnet.nl/mag.knevel/ > > http://www.jamendo.com/de/album/6789/ > > http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/7428/ > > -- > > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/JMask-Beta- > > tp17030688p17050336.html > > Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference > > Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save > > $100. > > Use priority code J8TL2D2. > > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http:// > > java.sun.com/javaone > > _______________________________________________ > > Bluemusic-users mailing list > > Blu...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference > Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100. > Use priority code J8TL2D2. > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http://java.sun.com/javaone > _______________________________________________ > Bluemusic-users mailing list > Blu...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > |
From: Jan J. H. <jj...@so...> - 2008-05-06 09:07:05
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Dear Steven, ofcourse it will work fine that way! I just wanted to share that idea of mine, which might be useful maybe for sometime in the future. Let's concentrate on getting Jmask to work and keep the fancy enhancements for the future (If at all). Am 06.05.2008 um 01:24 schrieb Steven Yi: > Hi Jan Jacob, > > Do you think keeping it as it is now will work? (If so, less work for > me! :P) +++ > The complication about drawing the value on the graph if the > constant is used is that the min/max for the spinner box is not linked > to the min/max of the graph at the moment ah, I see... Cheers, Jan Jacob |
From: Steven Y. <ste...@gm...> - 2008-05-06 01:48:04
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Hi All, I've updated the build at: http://www.kunstmusik.com/blue_0.123.0_beta.zip http://www.kunstmusik.com/blue_0.123.0_beta_installer.jar This build has the ability to make parameters visible/invisible. This is done by right-clicking the top panel that says JMask. A popup menu will appear that shows hide/show parameters. I tried using a persistent set of buttons on screen but it seemed noisy and distracting, opting for the popup. I think that using the right-click is good but may be hiding something, so maybe for both this and the parameter popup, i will add a button that shows the popup, which would make it obvious to the user that there is something to do there, though still be not distracting as an interface. I will experiment with this tomorrow. Also, I am still thinking about how to do implement hiding interface elements not in use for those that can toggle between a constant and a graph. Will consider tomorrow! Thanks, steven On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote: > Hi Jan Jacob, > > Do you think keeping it as it is now will work? (If so, less work for > me! :P) The complication about drawing the value on the graph if the > constant is used is that the min/max for the spinner box is not linked > to the min/max of the graph at the moment. > > Thanks! > steven > > > > On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 3:07 AM, Jan Jacob Hofmann > <jj...@so...> wrote: > > Dear List, > > > > I now wonder if a constant value should be shown as a graph. Maybe > > tere should be he option (or the default?) that constants are still > > shown just as a number? > > This leads me to the thought that this option could apply to all the > > parameters: A choice to display one parameter as a graph or in the > > conventional way a a line of text. one could flip between them by > > pushing a button. editing the graph would also edit the numbers in > > the text line and vice versa. > > > > Just a thought, > > > > Jan Jacob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 04.05.2008 um 21:28 schrieb menno: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HI Menno, > > > > > >> I found a bug where the Mask and Accumulator were being used > > > regardless if set enabled or not. As for the graphs, they usually > > > have a radio button next them and another radio button next to the > > > constant version right above it (with the spinner entry widget). The > > > GUI is setup where you can use one or the other, i.e. set a constant > > > value or use the table. I am debating if it is worth the complication > > > to have separate options for constant or table, and maybe can just > > > always use a table. If the user wants a constant value they can set > > > the line value to a single value. Do you think that would be clearer? > > > That way, one table can have the max and min lines which I think may > > > make it more apparent to the user what are the boundaries. > > > > > > Hello Steven, > > > > > > p1 has in my Cmask script uptill now always been a constant. But i > > > guess it > > > could be possible in theory that you can use p1 on more > > > instruments that > > > are compatible at the level of the quantity of parameters and for > > > example > > > random among those instruments. > > > I think when i like to put in a constant value i would like to see > > > the word > > > 'constant'. It makes it clear right away and i don't have to look > > > better > > > what kind of values the table is showing. > > > Is the Accumulator of interest when 'constant' as a value is > > > chosen? All > > > unnecessary visual info can be avoided from the screen i think. > > > > > > I will continue with some testing now. > > > > > > thanks for listening - even if you don't agree :) > > > > > > Menno > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > http://home.hccnet.nl/mag.knevel/ > > > http://www.jamendo.com/de/album/6789/ > > > http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/7428/ > > > -- > > > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/JMask-Beta- > > > tp17030688p17050336.html > > > Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --- > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference > > > Don't miss this year's exciting event. 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From: menno <nab...@ya...> - 2008-05-07 05:51:03
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Hello Steven, this beta release is much pleasing to the eye, there's only the information to be seen that is a logical step of the choice i make in choosing the Cmask commands. It follows the logic of the flow diagram as shown in the Cmask manual. i am a bit confused of how to use the 'mask' command, a possible logical choice after having chosen 'probality (uniform)'. The data seem not to follow the boundaries i've set. I want to give p4 random data at second 0 between 550 and 340 and then at 2 seconds stay between 280 and 270 Hertz. But i get all sorts of data between 100 and 1000 and don't know exactly the relation 'high value/high table' or 'low value/low table'. Also the min/max boxes beneath the mask high and low table confuse me. i've attached a blue file to show http://www.nabble.com/file/p17097756/jmasknieuw.blue jmasknieuw.blue Is it me or is the presentation not clear enough? there was already talk about this but a snapping function and an Edit Table would be great as a feature too i think. thanks, Menno ----- http://home.hccnet.nl/mag.knevel/ http://www.jamendo.com/de/album/6789/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/7428/ -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/JMask-Beta-tp17030688p17097756.html Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: Jan J. H. <jj...@so...> - 2008-05-11 15:24:26
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Hi Menno, as far as I could see, your blue example does what it should do: For p4 the lower limit foe mask is at 100 (more or less constant) and the higher limit is at 1000 (constant). So the output is within a constant range of 100-1000. I could not see that you had set your boundaries as depicted by you. Am 07.05.2008 um 07:47 schrieb menno: > > i am a bit confused of how to use the 'mask' command, a possible > logical > choice after having chosen 'probality (uniform)'. > The data seem not to follow the boundaries i've set. I want to give p4 > random data at second 0 between 550 and 340 and then at 2 seconds stay > between 280 and 270 Hertz. But i get all sorts of data between 100 > and 1000 > and don't know exactly the relation 'high value/high table' or 'low > value/low table'. the min/max values determine the range of the (vertical) y-axis. Without any determination the graph would not "know" if it spreads values in a range of 0-1, 0-10000 or 250-2500 etc. . By setting the min/max value you can configure the range to your needs. > Also the min/max boxes beneath the mask high and low > table confuse me. Sorry for answering so late, all the best, Jan Jacob sound | movement | object | space sonic architecture | site: http://www.sonicarchitecture.de spatial electronic composition | 2nd order ambisonic music |
From: menno <nab...@ya...> - 2008-05-07 06:12:38
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i forgot to say: how about one graph where you can set the upper and the lower boundary? It is more clear to see what will happen in time and it will make clear that a lower boundary that is unintentionally set a a higher value than the high boundary will be spotted. Menno. ----- http://home.hccnet.nl/mag.knevel/ http://www.jamendo.com/de/album/6789/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/7428/ -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/JMask-Beta-tp17030688p17098044.html Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: Jan J. H. <jj...@so...> - 2008-05-11 15:51:41
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Hi Menno, I do sort of like that idea of putting the upper and lower boundary into one diagram. In practice it often can happen that you are not sure, if the lower boundary already crossed the upper boundary. So I'd prefer your suggestion, Menno. There is only one situation thinkable where one diagram would be a disadvantage: If you have to set the values in a very high range, lets say about 10000 and the lower limit in a range of lets say 0 - 1. The graphs would then be miles apart and/or the resolution would be poor. To cure this, the min/ max values for each graph could be maintained, so that, if set to similar ranges, the graphs could be easily compared and if set to totally different ranges, the graphs could still reside in the same diagram. So, with this feature, two graphs in one diagram would serve all desires. What do you think, Steven? All the best, Jan Jacob Am 07.05.2008 um 08:12 schrieb menno: > > i forgot to say: > how about one graph where you can set the upper and the lower > boundary? It > is more clear to see what will happen in time and it will make > clear that a > lower boundary that is unintentionally set a a higher value than > the high > boundary will be spotted. > > Menno. > > ----- > http://home.hccnet.nl/mag.knevel/ > http://www.jamendo.com/de/album/6789/ > http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/7428/ > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/JMask-Beta- > tp17030688p17098044.html > Sent from the Csound - Blue - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference > Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save > $100. > Use priority code J8TL2D2. > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http:// > java.sun.com/javaone > _______________________________________________ > Bluemusic-users mailing list > Blu...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > sound | movement | object | space sonic architecture | site: http://www.sonicarchitecture.de spatial electronic composition | 2nd order ambisonic music |