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From: Chuckk H. <bad...@gm...> - 2005-07-15 01:20:28
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I'm also fine with the defaults. I was curious a while back about setting up piano roll notes to show p-fields as draggable Pure Data style number boxes, but I don't know anything about that and I need to get a second job for the summer soon. I'm still kind of curious... -Chuckk On 7/14/05, Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote: > Hi All, >=20 > Just a couple of questions: >=20 > -For LineObject Colors, right now they're auto-assigned. I realized I > have a somewhat primitive color selection component already used in > the ProgramOptions to set text editor colors. This can be reused > pretty simply I think to add user-selectable colors for lines in the > LineObject. What I am wondering then is what would be the desired > behavior for defaults. Would using the current set of auto-assigned > line colors be fine when adding new lines, and just now the color > values would stick with the line (currently, the line colors are > dependent on what number the line is, so if you move or add lines, > they become reassociated), and the user can edit to what they like > afterwards? Or would it be better to have a different palette of > colors, maybe different shades of blue or green, then the user can > edit from there? >=20 > -Does anyone have an interest or have had an interest in building > plugins for blue? This would include soundObjects, noteProcessors, or > instruments. If so, would it be useful to have a mini-testing program > that you could load your plugin into to test it's functionality? > Also, if you tried or were curious in the past, was the fact that > there is not documentation really at the moment for these features a > detractor? Would a tutorial be of interest? >=20 > Thanks! > steven >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar happen= ing > July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in dual > core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hosted by H= P, > AMD, and NVIDIA. To register visit http://www.hp.com/go/dualwebinar > _______________________________________________ > Bluemusic-users mailing list > Blu...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users >=20 --=20 "It is not when truth is dirty, but when it is shallow, that the lover of knowledge is reluctant to step into its waters." -Friedrich Nietzsche, "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" |
From: Chuckk H. <bad...@gm...> - 2005-07-15 01:16:32
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As I recall commercial programs get pretty deep with stuff like that.=20 You can change the font color, but there are defaults for those of us who don't care. Some let you change background picture as well, heh.=20 MegaMID, bundled with Scala, has this. Like there's a jpg file named megamid or something, and to change it you name your picture megamid.jpg. On 7/14/05, Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote: > Hi all, >=20 > For those who use other music environments where color changing is > possible, could you clue me in on what is done about the color of the > label of the soundObject? Is it automatically set to a complimentary > color? Any suggestions on this? (Perhaps adding label color as a > property too?) >=20 > Thanks, > steven >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar happen= ing > July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in dual > core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hosted by H= P, > AMD, and NVIDIA. To register visit http://www.hp.com/go/dualwebinar > _______________________________________________ > Bluemusic-users mailing list > Blu...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users >=20 --=20 "It is not when truth is dirty, but when it is shallow, that the lover of knowledge is reluctant to step into its waters." -Friedrich Nietzsche, "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" |
From: t g. <tg...@gm...> - 2005-07-14 22:40:20
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I had a thought last night while doing a little csounding. It would probably require significant work, and then after thinking about it I decided the same could be accomplished easier with global line/table drawing abilities. But I'll say it anyway, just for the fun of it ;) Basically have a line object attached in some way to an instrument.=20 Useful for envelopes etc. Instead of having an instrument read the table for the line, the object would instead have an oscil(i) that reads through the table 1/p3. Figured I'd throw that out for anyone to chew on... Like I said, the same could be done pretty easily with global line/tables as well.=20 Attaching to an instr would be nice for orginization, but probably a nightmare on the coding side. Also, a quick hack for global line/tables might be a bool to add on the line object telling it not to create an instr, but instead just write the table for use. -Kevin |
From: Michael B. <got...@ya...> - 2005-07-14 13:05:32
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--- Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote: > Hi All, > > Just a couple of questions: > > -For LineObject Colors, right now they're > auto-assigned. I realized I > have a somewhat primitive color selection component > already used in > the ProgramOptions to set text editor colors. This > can be reused > pretty simply I think to add user-selectable colors > for lines in the > LineObject. What I am wondering then is what would > be the desired > behavior for defaults. Would using the current set > of auto-assigned > line colors be fine when adding new lines, and just > now the color > values would stick with the line (currently, the > line colors are > dependent on what number the line is, so if you move > or add lines, > they become reassociated), and the user can edit to > what they like > afterwards? Or would it be better to have a > different palette of > colors, maybe different shades of blue or green, > then the user can > edit from there? > I'm fine with the auto-assigned colors; the important thing here is that one can discern which line belongs to which variable. Michael ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs |
From: t g. <tg...@gm...> - 2005-07-14 13:00:17
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Honestly I didn't pay that close attention, I'll look tonight if I have time... but I *think* the usually reverse the object color for the text (similar to when you highlight text, it reverses colors). -Kevin On 7/14/05, Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote: > Hi all, >=20 > For those who use other music environments where color changing is > possible, could you clue me in on what is done about the color of the > label of the soundObject? Is it automatically set to a complimentary > color? Any suggestions on this? (Perhaps adding label color as a > property too?) >=20 > Thanks, > steven >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar happen= ing > July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in dual > core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hosted by H= P, > AMD, and NVIDIA. To register visit http://www.hp.com/go/dualwebinar > _______________________________________________ > Bluemusic-users mailing list > Blu...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > |
From: Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> - 2005-07-14 09:21:11
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Hi all, For those who use other music environments where color changing is possible, could you clue me in on what is done about the color of the label of the soundObject? Is it automatically set to a complimentary color? Any suggestions on this? (Perhaps adding label color as a property too?) Thanks, steven |
From: Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> - 2005-07-14 09:17:52
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Hi All, I added the ability to change LineObject colors in CVS now. =20 As has been mentioned here before, SoundObject colors have been requested for setting colors. This seems very easy to me now after this other work. I wonder though what would be a good way to go about this. I imagine adding a property in the SoundObjectPropertyDialog for editing color would do the trick, but would it be easier if it was also doable from the soundObject popup window? Also, what to do about the PolyObject, which has only a difference of color to separate it from other soundObjects? Any suggestions on a letter or iconographic delineation, or perhaps notched corners or painted corners or something along those lines? What other color options would one care for? Thanks, steven |
From: Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> - 2005-07-14 06:52:04
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Hi All, Just a couple of questions:=20 -For LineObject Colors, right now they're auto-assigned. I realized I have a somewhat primitive color selection component already used in the ProgramOptions to set text editor colors. This can be reused pretty simply I think to add user-selectable colors for lines in the LineObject. What I am wondering then is what would be the desired behavior for defaults. Would using the current set of auto-assigned line colors be fine when adding new lines, and just now the color values would stick with the line (currently, the line colors are dependent on what number the line is, so if you move or add lines, they become reassociated), and the user can edit to what they like afterwards? Or would it be better to have a different palette of colors, maybe different shades of blue or green, then the user can edit from there? -Does anyone have an interest or have had an interest in building plugins for blue? This would include soundObjects, noteProcessors, or instruments. If so, would it be useful to have a mini-testing program that you could load your plugin into to test it's functionality?=20 Also, if you tried or were curious in the past, was the fact that there is not documentation really at the moment for these features a detractor? Would a tutorial be of interest? Thanks! steven |
From: Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> - 2005-07-13 08:16:07
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Hi Kevin, I checked out the code and init statements were *not* getting generated. =3D( I added code for that just now. On the other hand, I discovered a bug where if two lines were named the same in the same LineObject, the generated files would all use the same ftable from the last line with the same name. Now, that's not that big of a deal, what really should be disallowed is different lines having the same name in the lineObject. I'm going to put in some checks to disallow it, and I think that would be more intuitive. Thanks for mentioning the init! steven On 7/11/05, t grey <tg...@gm...> wrote: > Honestly, I didn't look for the init. But i noticed that the line > object placement is important. It had to exist before anything > expected it. I'll look more t this later tonight. >=20 > -Kevin >=20 > On 7/11/05, Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote: > > Hi Kevin, > > > > I thought that an init statement was being generated by default, but I > > could be wrong (haven't used line objects in a while myself). I'll > > take a look. I'm assuming it would be best to do a global init > > always; is there a case when it wouldn't be good to assume so? > > > > steven > > > > On 7/11/05, t grey <tg...@gm...> wrote: > > > Well, I don't think a line can switch between linear and exponential. > > > All segments in a line would have to match I would think... Tho if > > > you have multiple lines in an object, they could each be different. > > > > > > Also, how about an "init" toggle for lines, telling them to do a > > > global orch init? > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > On 7/10/05, Chuckk Hubbard <bad...@gm...> wrote: > > > > > object properties: I think this is more of a minor bug. If I ch= ange > > > > > the duration of an object in it's properties dialog, the end time > > > > > doesn't update until I close the dialog and reopen it. > > > > > > > > I found it odd at first that you can't just click on something and > > > > drag it, you have to select it first and then move it. Then I > > > > discovered why. If you want to line up several things, you can ope= n > > > > the properties dialog and click on each one in turn. If you could > > > > move things without selecting them first, they'd slide when you sel= ect > > > > them. What I did was created a series of 10-second lineObjects so = the > > > > x-axis would be precisely controllable in each; so I wanted them al= l > > > > to line up exactly. This meant I had to name my instrument instr 2= 0, > > > > since each lineObject is an instrument. Works though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > line objects: This is one of my favorite new features, and plan = to > > > > > use it extensively. I wouldn't mind being able to select color f= or > > > > > lines (for grouping certain ones together visually). If it inter= ests > > > > > you, you could probably reuse the color selector on objects in th= e > > > > > timeline too. How about possibly even using some of the other > > > > > linear/exponential segment routines in line objects? Could this = same > > > > > concept be applied to generating "normal" global tables? > > > > > > > > I agree line objects are the bomb. I never thought of using > > > > exponential segment routines with them, that would be wonderful. E= ven > > > > just a single option, to have the segments switch between linear an= d > > > > exponential, would be really neat. Would this be as simple as > > > > switching between -5 and -7 ftables? I suppose there would have to= be > > > > some safegaurd against 0 in the case of exponential. > > > > > > > > Speaking of which, Steven, I notice if I click on a line set from -= 1 > > > > to 1 and move a dot around, sometimes I can't return it to 0, it ge= ts > > > > set so it goes from a very small negative number to a very small > > > > positive number. Is this just my screen resolution? I guess it mu= st > > > > be when I drag it the whole way to 1 or -1, then it counts incremen= ts > > > > from there, and there's no way to get it back to 0. > > > > > > > > Anyway enjoy yourself first, respond to me later... > > > > > > > > -Chuckk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > close / accept / cancel on dialogs: Some dialog windows (like ob= ject > > > > > properties) have no button to accept changes. I don't have a clo= se > > > > > button on my window manager, so I always end up reverting to a ho= tkey > > > > > to close the window. If no button is present, how about escape a= s a > > > > > key to close or cancel? > > > > > > > > > > Let me know what you think. Blue is looking great! > > > > > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webina= r happening > > > > > July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest = in dual > > > > > core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hos= ted by HP, > > > > > AMD, and NVIDIA. 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From: Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> - 2005-07-13 07:45:48
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Hi Andres, The new shortcuts worked out fine here on Linux, so will go ahead with them. This is what they are now: ctrl-right - increase horizontal zoom ctrl-left - decrease horizontal zoom ctrl-down - increase vertical zoom ctrl-up - decrease vertical zoom I used ctrl-down to increase as visually it seemed to make more sense that way as all the objects move downwards. I need to figure out a better way to draw and zoom the score as the way it is now is slow.=20 There is is some obvious code that I put in years ago to get functionality that would have been hard for me to do then but not so bad now that I will revisit which I think will give a performance gain, but I think maybe altogether a new method might be needed using Java2D and AffineTransforms for doing a more proper zoom rather than manually doing pixel to second conversions (btw: this was a very tricky issue for me to figure out when I first implemented this stuff probably near the beginning of blue, how people do this kind of thing. I still don't know if there's a right way to do it, but I never felt really really good about how it is done with manual conversions in blue. if anyone has suggestions on this I'd love to hear them!) Thanks again for notifying me on the keyboard issue! steven p.s. I like the new shortcuts better as they seem much more intuitive! On 7/13/05, Andres Cabrera <an...@ge...> wrote: > Thanks Steven, > Your suggestion sounds good to me, and it is also the key combination > for that purpose in Sonar. > I'm pretty sure windows has no problem with that, but no idea about > linux. > Thanks very much! > Andr=E9s >=20 > On Tue, 2005-07-12 at 13:42, Steven Yi wrote: > > Hi Andres, > > > > Hmm... I didn't even think about non-english keyboards! Thanks very > > much for mentioning this, we'll definitely need new shortcuts then. I > > will check to see if these shortcuts are availble, but maybe we can > > use: > > > > ctrl-left > > ctrl-right > > ctrl-up > > ctrl-down > > > > or maybe with ctrl-shift. Not sure if those are used ever on gnome or > > kde or windows or mac as standard system shortcuts, or if there are > > other shortcuts which might interfere. The regular arrow keys and > > shift-arrow keys are used already for nudging. > > > > steven > > > > On 7/12/05, Andres Cabrera <an...@ge...> wrote: > > > On Sun, 2005-07-10 at 13:40, Steven Yi wrote: > > > > > > > I tried using plus but it didn't work as the only plus sign I have = on > > > > my laptop keyboard is the one that is accessible from the equals ke= y, > > > > which requires a shift. So I changed the short cut to use ctrl-equ= als > > > > and ctrl-shift-equals. It works great and I think the shortcut is > > > > fine considering that the plus key is on top of the equals key. An= y > > > > objections? > > > Hi Steven, > > > Can you consider doing a different key command for zooming? On my > > > spanish keyboard I can do '+' without using shift but I must do shift= -0 > > > to get '=3D'. > > > How about some combination like > > > 'asdw' or 'jkli' (but I think that won't work on french keyboards...) > > > maybe using pairs like 'a' and 's' for horizontal zoom and 'd' 'f' fo= r > > > veritcal zoom. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Andres > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar ha= ppening > > > July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in d= ual > > > core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hosted = by HP, > > > AMD, and NVIDIA. To register visit http://www.hp.com/go/dualwebinar > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Bluemusic-users mailing list > > > Blu...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar happ= ening > > July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in dua= l > > core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hosted by= HP, > > AMD, and NVIDIA. To register visit http://www.hp.com/go/dualwebinar > > _______________________________________________ > > Bluemusic-users mailing list > > Blu...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar happen= ing > July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in dual > core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hosted by H= P, > AMD, and NVIDIA. To register visit http://www.hp.com/go/dualwebinar > _______________________________________________ > Bluemusic-users mailing list > Blu...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > |
From: Andres C. <an...@ge...> - 2005-07-13 04:52:15
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Thanks Steven, Your suggestion sounds good to me, and it is also the key combination for that purpose in Sonar. I'm pretty sure windows has no problem with that, but no idea about linux. Thanks very much! Andr=C3=A9s On Tue, 2005-07-12 at 13:42, Steven Yi wrote: > Hi Andres, >=20 > Hmm... I didn't even think about non-english keyboards! Thanks very > much for mentioning this, we'll definitely need new shortcuts then. I > will check to see if these shortcuts are availble, but maybe we can > use: >=20 > ctrl-left > ctrl-right > ctrl-up > ctrl-down >=20 > or maybe with ctrl-shift. Not sure if those are used ever on gnome or > kde or windows or mac as standard system shortcuts, or if there are > other shortcuts which might interfere. The regular arrow keys and > shift-arrow keys are used already for nudging. >=20 > steven >=20 > On 7/12/05, Andres Cabrera <an...@ge...> wrote: > > On Sun, 2005-07-10 at 13:40, Steven Yi wrote: > >=20 > > > I tried using plus but it didn't work as the only plus sign I have on > > > my laptop keyboard is the one that is accessible from the equals key, > > > which requires a shift. So I changed the short cut to use ctrl-equal= s > > > and ctrl-shift-equals. It works great and I think the shortcut is > > > fine considering that the plus key is on top of the equals key. Any > > > objections? > > Hi Steven, > > Can you consider doing a different key command for zooming? On my > > spanish keyboard I can do '+' without using shift but I must do shift-0 > > to get '=3D'. > > How about some combination like > > 'asdw' or 'jkli' (but I think that won't work on french keyboards...) > > maybe using pairs like 'a' and 's' for horizontal zoom and 'd' 'f' for > > veritcal zoom. > >=20 > > Cheers, > > Andres > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar happ= ening > > July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in dua= l > > core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hosted by= HP, > > AMD, and NVIDIA. To register visit http://www.hp.com/go/dualwebinar > > _______________________________________________ > > Bluemusic-users mailing list > > Blu...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > > >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar happen= ing > July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in dual > core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hosted by H= P,=20 > AMD, and NVIDIA. To register visit http://www.hp.com/go/dualwebinar > _______________________________________________ > Bluemusic-users mailing list > Blu...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users >=20 >=20 |
From: William B. <wr...@uc...> - 2005-07-12 21:05:17
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Hi Steven and all, > Hi Chuckk, > > On 7/8/05, Chuckk Hubbard <bad...@gm...> wrote: > > What do you think? The option to display a graph inside a > > lineObject's area, similar to "Snap" in the timeline. What I'm doing > > right now is making each lineObject 10 seconds long, and copying and > > pasting for the entire duration, so I know .1 for X is equivalent to > > one second. Another idea, which I'm sure would require a big > > reworking, would be to superimpose lineObjects over Piano Roll... just > > a thought. > > I haven't used the lineObject in a while, but having a snap of some > sort seems reasonable. I'll have to look into it before commenting > better. As for lineObjects and the pianoRoll, this was also suggested > by Bill Beck. I have to look into it, but I think I had commented on > something similar a while back, in wanting to allow users to add their > own lines to the pianoRoll which would then be used as text > replacement values for notes, so if you defined <amplitude> in your > note template, it's value would be swapped by what was in the line. > This is then not a krate value like it is in the lineObject, but seems > to be more directly related and controllable than otherwise. I can imagine using lines to affect pfield input, but in that case in would be very important to see just where the line is when a pianoRoll note starts. But k-rate lineObject still ought to have some way to coordinate with piano roll: if not superimposed, maybe in parallel stacked windows, ot at least a common grid, as discussed below... > Bill also suggested showing other values besides 0-1.0 on the x-axis. > What would be more appropriate, 0 to "duration of sound object", or > "start of soundObject" to "start + duration of soundObject"? the option for both would be great. That way you could use "start to start+dur" to coordinate with object outside of lineObj's own polyObj, and "0 to dur" would help coord with the piano roll and other objects in the same parent object. > > Also, I don't quite understand how tempo works in Blue. Is there a > > way to have the numbers and lines that display in the timeline and > > Piano Roll change according to tempo, or are they always in seconds? > > Now that I think of it, can tempo be changed? > > Currently in blue there are two ways to control tempo. One is to use > csound's own tempo facility, the t- score statement. The other is to > use the TempoProcessor noteProcessor on a per-soundObject basis, so > you can have accelerandi figures on top of ritardandi figures, varying > accelerandi, etc. It has been suggested in the past to create a > line-editor that would be on the main timeline (I assume, only for the > root timeline) that the user could then click to add tempo points and > drag them as well to edit the global tempo, which would end up in the > end as a t- statement in the outputted CSD. I had largely forgotten > about this request as it was never put into the RFC list on > SourceForge and I missed putting it on my personal list. If users are > interested, I think I may have time to implement such a thing now. > > Thanks, > steven Cheers, Bill B |
From: Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> - 2005-07-12 18:43:42
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From: Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> - 2005-07-12 18:42:34
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Hi Andres, Hmm... I didn't even think about non-english keyboards! Thanks very much for mentioning this, we'll definitely need new shortcuts then. I will check to see if these shortcuts are availble, but maybe we can use: ctrl-left ctrl-right ctrl-up ctrl-down or maybe with ctrl-shift. Not sure if those are used ever on gnome or kde or windows or mac as standard system shortcuts, or if there are other shortcuts which might interfere. The regular arrow keys and shift-arrow keys are used already for nudging. steven On 7/12/05, Andres Cabrera <an...@ge...> wrote: > On Sun, 2005-07-10 at 13:40, Steven Yi wrote: >=20 > > I tried using plus but it didn't work as the only plus sign I have on > > my laptop keyboard is the one that is accessible from the equals key, > > which requires a shift. So I changed the short cut to use ctrl-equals > > and ctrl-shift-equals. It works great and I think the shortcut is > > fine considering that the plus key is on top of the equals key. Any > > objections? > Hi Steven, > Can you consider doing a different key command for zooming? On my > spanish keyboard I can do '+' without using shift but I must do shift-0 > to get '=3D'. > How about some combination like > 'asdw' or 'jkli' (but I think that won't work on french keyboards...) > maybe using pairs like 'a' and 's' for horizontal zoom and 'd' 'f' for > veritcal zoom. >=20 > Cheers, > Andres >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar happen= ing > July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in dual > core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hosted by H= P, > AMD, and NVIDIA. To register visit http://www.hp.com/go/dualwebinar > _______________________________________________ > Bluemusic-users mailing list > Blu...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > |
From: Michael B. <got...@ya...> - 2005-07-12 17:26:02
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I, like alot of users, really like the LineObjects. But I have a limited use for them because most of my instruments use zak channels instead of global variables. What if we added an option to have the line feed into a zak channel instead of a global variable? I'd be happy to implement this if you like, Steven. Michael ____________________________________________________ Sell on Yahoo! Auctions no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ |
From: Andres C. <an...@ge...> - 2005-07-12 13:30:02
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On Sun, 2005-07-10 at 13:40, Steven Yi wrote: > I tried using plus but it didn't work as the only plus sign I have on > my laptop keyboard is the one that is accessible from the equals key, > which requires a shift. So I changed the short cut to use ctrl-equals > and ctrl-shift-equals. It works great and I think the shortcut is > fine considering that the plus key is on top of the equals key. Any > objections? Hi Steven, Can you consider doing a different key command for zooming? On my spanish keyboard I can do '+' without using shift but I must do shift-0 to get '='. How about some combination like 'asdw' or 'jkli' (but I think that won't work on french keyboards...) maybe using pairs like 'a' and 's' for horizontal zoom and 'd' 'f' for veritcal zoom. Cheers, Andres |
From: t g. <tg...@gm...> - 2005-07-11 13:01:44
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Great. Yeah, that's really minor. I wouldn't release over it either. -Kevin On 7/11/05, Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote: > Okay, now fixed in CVS. Will wait a little to accumulate more changes > before putting out a new release. >=20 > On 7/11/05, Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote: > > Yikes! Okay, I see the issue (staring me in the face now!) and will > > fix it up shortly. Thanks for letting me know! > > > > steven > > > > > > On 7/11/05, t grey <tg...@gm...> wrote: > > > Excellent. > > > > > > I just downloaded it, playing with the new hotkeys. They're great, > > > gonna save me lots of mouse mileage. Although this brought a bug to > > > my attention. Zooming in or out horizontally does not update the > > > start and end render lines in the score window, but it does on the > > > timeline (above the score window). > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > On 7/10/05, Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > I put up a new release to address the bug Michael Rempel noted in t= he > > > > orchestra manager. I also added in a few feature requests by Kevin > > > > Welsh (big thanks to both of you!). > > > > > > > > I did just notice though that I forgot to update the documentation = for > > > > the shortcuts. =3Do I'll have that for the next release, as doing > > > > releases here from Poland takes a lot longer to upload to Sourcefor= ge > > > > and it took over 30 mins to upload files. > > > > > > > > Thanks again for all the feedback everyone! > > > > steven > > > > > > > > > > > > [CHANGE LOG] > > > > > > > > >Notes for 0.99.1< > > > > [released 2005.07.10] > > > > > > > > blue > > > > > > > > [new] - now displays render loop time in main tool bar > > > > (suggested by Kevin Welsh) > > > > > > > > [new] - shortcuts for zooming the timeline (timeline or soundob= jects must > > > > have focus for these to work): > > > > > > > > ctrl-equals - increase horizontal zoom > > > > ctrl-minus - decrease horizontal zoom > > > > ctrl-shift-equals - increase vertical zoom > > > > ctrl-shift-minus - increase vertical zoom > > > > > > > > (suggested by Kevin Welsh) > > > > > > > > [new] - shorcuts added to switch managers (tabs) > > > > > > > > alt-left - previous manager > > > > alt-right - next manager > > > > > > > > (suggested by Kevin Welsh) > > > > > > > > [fix] - Orchestra Manager - If instruments shared an Instrument= ID, if the > > > > user wanted to change the ID of an instrument that was = not the first > > > > one with that ID, when going to change it would incorre= ctly change > > > > the ID of the first instrument with that ID > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar = happening > > > > July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in= dual > > > > core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hoste= d by HP, > > > > AMD, and NVIDIA. To register visit http://www.hp.com/go/dualwebina= r > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Bluemusic-users mailing list > > > > Blu...@li... > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar ha= ppening > > > July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in d= ual > > > core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hosted = by HP, > > > AMD, and NVIDIA. To register visit http://www.hp.com/go/dualwebinar > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Bluemusic-users mailing list > > > Blu...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > > > > > >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar happen= ing > July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in dual > core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hosted by H= P, > AMD, and NVIDIA. To register visit http://www.hp.com/go/dualwebinar > _______________________________________________ > Bluemusic-users mailing list > Blu...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > |
From: t g. <tg...@gm...> - 2005-07-11 13:01:06
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Honestly, I didn't look for the init. But i noticed that the line object placement is important. It had to exist before anything expected it. I'll look more t this later tonight. -Kevin On 7/11/05, Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote: > Hi Kevin, >=20 > I thought that an init statement was being generated by default, but I > could be wrong (haven't used line objects in a while myself). I'll > take a look. I'm assuming it would be best to do a global init > always; is there a case when it wouldn't be good to assume so? >=20 > steven >=20 > On 7/11/05, t grey <tg...@gm...> wrote: > > Well, I don't think a line can switch between linear and exponential. > > All segments in a line would have to match I would think... Tho if > > you have multiple lines in an object, they could each be different. > > > > Also, how about an "init" toggle for lines, telling them to do a > > global orch init? > > > > -Kevin > > > > On 7/10/05, Chuckk Hubbard <bad...@gm...> wrote: > > > > object properties: I think this is more of a minor bug. If I chan= ge > > > > the duration of an object in it's properties dialog, the end time > > > > doesn't update until I close the dialog and reopen it. > > > > > > I found it odd at first that you can't just click on something and > > > drag it, you have to select it first and then move it. Then I > > > discovered why. If you want to line up several things, you can open > > > the properties dialog and click on each one in turn. If you could > > > move things without selecting them first, they'd slide when you selec= t > > > them. What I did was created a series of 10-second lineObjects so th= e > > > x-axis would be precisely controllable in each; so I wanted them all > > > to line up exactly. This meant I had to name my instrument instr 20, > > > since each lineObject is an instrument. Works though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > line objects: This is one of my favorite new features, and plan to > > > > use it extensively. I wouldn't mind being able to select color for > > > > lines (for grouping certain ones together visually). If it interes= ts > > > > you, you could probably reuse the color selector on objects in the > > > > timeline too. How about possibly even using some of the other > > > > linear/exponential segment routines in line objects? Could this sa= me > > > > concept be applied to generating "normal" global tables? > > > > > > I agree line objects are the bomb. I never thought of using > > > exponential segment routines with them, that would be wonderful. Eve= n > > > just a single option, to have the segments switch between linear and > > > exponential, would be really neat. Would this be as simple as > > > switching between -5 and -7 ftables? I suppose there would have to b= e > > > some safegaurd against 0 in the case of exponential. > > > > > > Speaking of which, Steven, I notice if I click on a line set from -1 > > > to 1 and move a dot around, sometimes I can't return it to 0, it gets > > > set so it goes from a very small negative number to a very small > > > positive number. Is this just my screen resolution? I guess it must > > > be when I drag it the whole way to 1 or -1, then it counts increments > > > from there, and there's no way to get it back to 0. > > > > > > Anyway enjoy yourself first, respond to me later... > > > > > > -Chuckk > > > > > > > > > > > close / accept / cancel on dialogs: Some dialog windows (like obje= ct > > > > properties) have no button to accept changes. I don't have a close > > > > button on my window manager, so I always end up reverting to a hotk= ey > > > > to close the window. If no button is present, how about escape as = a > > > > key to close or cancel? > > > > > > > > Let me know what you think. Blue is looking great! > > > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar = happening > > > > July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in= dual > > > > core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hoste= d by HP, > > > > AMD, and NVIDIA. 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From: Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> - 2005-07-11 07:40:24
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Okay, now fixed in CVS. Will wait a little to accumulate more changes before putting out a new release. On 7/11/05, Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote: > Yikes! Okay, I see the issue (staring me in the face now!) and will > fix it up shortly. Thanks for letting me know! >=20 > steven >=20 >=20 > On 7/11/05, t grey <tg...@gm...> wrote: > > Excellent. > > > > I just downloaded it, playing with the new hotkeys. They're great, > > gonna save me lots of mouse mileage. Although this brought a bug to > > my attention. Zooming in or out horizontally does not update the > > start and end render lines in the score window, but it does on the > > timeline (above the score window). > > > > -Kevin > > > > On 7/10/05, Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I put up a new release to address the bug Michael Rempel noted in the > > > orchestra manager. I also added in a few feature requests by Kevin > > > Welsh (big thanks to both of you!). > > > > > > I did just notice though that I forgot to update the documentation fo= r > > > the shortcuts. =3Do I'll have that for the next release, as doing > > > releases here from Poland takes a lot longer to upload to Sourceforge > > > and it took over 30 mins to upload files. > > > > > > Thanks again for all the feedback everyone! > > > steven > > > > > > > > > [CHANGE LOG] > > > > > > >Notes for 0.99.1< > > > [released 2005.07.10] > > > > > > blue > > > > > > [new] - now displays render loop time in main tool bar > > > (suggested by Kevin Welsh) > > > > > > [new] - shortcuts for zooming the timeline (timeline or soundobje= cts must > > > have focus for these to work): > > > > > > ctrl-equals - increase horizontal zoom > > > ctrl-minus - decrease horizontal zoom > > > ctrl-shift-equals - increase vertical zoom > > > ctrl-shift-minus - increase vertical zoom > > > > > > (suggested by Kevin Welsh) > > > > > > [new] - shorcuts added to switch managers (tabs) > > > > > > alt-left - previous manager > > > alt-right - next manager > > > > > > (suggested by Kevin Welsh) > > > > > > [fix] - Orchestra Manager - If instruments shared an Instrument I= D, if the > > > user wanted to change the ID of an instrument that was no= t the first > > > one with that ID, when going to change it would incorrect= ly change > > > the ID of the first instrument with that ID > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar ha= ppening > > > July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in d= ual > > > core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hosted = by HP, > > > AMD, and NVIDIA. To register visit http://www.hp.com/go/dualwebinar > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Bluemusic-users mailing list > > > Blu...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar happ= ening > > July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in dua= l > > core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hosted by= HP, > > AMD, and NVIDIA. To register visit http://www.hp.com/go/dualwebinar > > _______________________________________________ > > Bluemusic-users mailing list > > Blu...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > > > |
From: Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> - 2005-07-11 06:54:48
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Hi Kevin,=20 I thought that an init statement was being generated by default, but I could be wrong (haven't used line objects in a while myself). I'll take a look. I'm assuming it would be best to do a global init always; is there a case when it wouldn't be good to assume so? steven On 7/11/05, t grey <tg...@gm...> wrote: > Well, I don't think a line can switch between linear and exponential. > All segments in a line would have to match I would think... Tho if > you have multiple lines in an object, they could each be different. >=20 > Also, how about an "init" toggle for lines, telling them to do a > global orch init? >=20 > -Kevin >=20 > On 7/10/05, Chuckk Hubbard <bad...@gm...> wrote: > > > object properties: I think this is more of a minor bug. If I change > > > the duration of an object in it's properties dialog, the end time > > > doesn't update until I close the dialog and reopen it. > > > > I found it odd at first that you can't just click on something and > > drag it, you have to select it first and then move it. Then I > > discovered why. If you want to line up several things, you can open > > the properties dialog and click on each one in turn. If you could > > move things without selecting them first, they'd slide when you select > > them. What I did was created a series of 10-second lineObjects so the > > x-axis would be precisely controllable in each; so I wanted them all > > to line up exactly. This meant I had to name my instrument instr 20, > > since each lineObject is an instrument. Works though. > > > > > > > > > > line objects: This is one of my favorite new features, and plan to > > > use it extensively. I wouldn't mind being able to select color for > > > lines (for grouping certain ones together visually). If it interests > > > you, you could probably reuse the color selector on objects in the > > > timeline too. How about possibly even using some of the other > > > linear/exponential segment routines in line objects? Could this same > > > concept be applied to generating "normal" global tables? > > > > I agree line objects are the bomb. I never thought of using > > exponential segment routines with them, that would be wonderful. Even > > just a single option, to have the segments switch between linear and > > exponential, would be really neat. Would this be as simple as > > switching between -5 and -7 ftables? I suppose there would have to be > > some safegaurd against 0 in the case of exponential. > > > > Speaking of which, Steven, I notice if I click on a line set from -1 > > to 1 and move a dot around, sometimes I can't return it to 0, it gets > > set so it goes from a very small negative number to a very small > > positive number. Is this just my screen resolution? I guess it must > > be when I drag it the whole way to 1 or -1, then it counts increments > > from there, and there's no way to get it back to 0. > > > > Anyway enjoy yourself first, respond to me later... > > > > -Chuckk > > > > > > > > close / accept / cancel on dialogs: Some dialog windows (like object > > > properties) have no button to accept changes. I don't have a close > > > button on my window manager, so I always end up reverting to a hotkey > > > to close the window. If no button is present, how about escape as a > > > key to close or cancel? > > > > > > Let me know what you think. Blue is looking great! > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar ha= ppening > > > July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in d= ual > > > core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hosted = by HP, > > > AMD, and NVIDIA. 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From: Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> - 2005-07-11 06:53:14
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Hi Chuckk, > I found it odd at first that you can't just click on something and > drag it, you have to select it first and then move it. Then I > discovered why. If you want to line up several things, you can open > the properties dialog and click on each one in turn. If you could > move things without selecting them first, they'd slide when you select > them. What I did was created a series of 10-second lineObjects so the > x-axis would be precisely controllable in each; so I wanted them all > to line up exactly. This meant I had to name my instrument instr 20, > since each lineObject is an instrument. Works though. Just as an aside, in case others don't know, you can select a group of soundObjects, right click on one of the selected ones, and align them by start, end, or middles. This covers alot of event synchronization cases I've come across, where I'd want things to start together or end together or have their events sync in the middle. =20 >=20 > > > > line objects: This is one of my favorite new features, and plan to > > use it extensively. I wouldn't mind being able to select color for > > lines (for grouping certain ones together visually). If it interests > > you, you could probably reuse the color selector on objects in the > > timeline too. How about possibly even using some of the other > > linear/exponential segment routines in line objects? Could this same > > concept be applied to generating "normal" global tables? >=20 > I agree line objects are the bomb. I never thought of using > exponential segment routines with them, that would be wonderful. Even > just a single option, to have the segments switch between linear and > exponential, would be really neat. Would this be as simple as > switching between -5 and -7 ftables? I suppose there would have to be > some safegaurd against 0 in the case of exponential. I think it shouldn't be too hard to get to put in exponential line options, just have not had time to look into it really with other issues more interesting for me to work on. I'll take a look and see what can be done. > Speaking of which, Steven, I notice if I click on a line set from -1 > to 1 and move a dot around, sometimes I can't return it to 0, it gets > set so it goes from a very small negative number to a very small > positive number. Is this just my screen resolution? I guess it must > be when I drag it the whole way to 1 or -1, then it counts increments > from there, and there's no way to get it back to 0. Yes, this is due to screen resolution and calculating values from pixels which are very discrete. I'll see about popping up some kind of dialog of some sort that will allow entering in the value manually. Thanks for the feedback! steven |
From: Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> - 2005-07-11 06:46:16
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Hi All, There's been a number of posts and requests in the past about the blue design and also because of Csound tempo statements why it is not easy to have the timeline follow csound. They should be in the mailing list archive somewhere, which is on the sourceforge page for blue, so I won't repeat myself on that here. (I have spent quite some time trying to find a good way to do it that works with any version of csound, but have not found a way.) Rendering out to wave and playing back does not work if you have tempo statements, i.e. you can know that the wave file is 3 seconds in, but if you use "t 0 120 ", you would be at beat 6 in the score.=20 Accelerating tempos and ritardandi would not be able to be tracked at all really, without getting the info from csound. (Csound score is actually in beats, not seconds, but the default bpm is 60bpm, so is in seconds by default). As for rendering in realtime, have you used the sound object freezing feature much? For larger projects, I find it helps a great deal to freeze the soundObject that are pretty settled in the piece and that usually frees up enough cpu to get it back into realtime (unless you got some big convolution reverb going on). steven On 7/11/05, t grey <tg...@gm...> wrote: > I like the following timeline idea, but I'm sure that would be > considerable work. >=20 > If following on the time line isn't possible, how about an option just > to pre-render a tmp file and play it back? Sometimes projects can't > render real time (lots of pvoc, etc), especially on an older laptop > that's short on ram. It gets a little old alt-tabbing to a console > just to play a wav. ;) >=20 > -Kevin >=20 > On 7/10/05, Michael Rempel <mic...@sh...> wrote: > > I agree completely but when I get sounds in the score I cant figure out= I > > refer to the CSD, and try to follow the time line as it plays back. Not= her > > idea, follow the timeline with the screen CSD, and change colors as it = plays > > back. Probably need to render to disk, then play back for time sync. > > > > Comments in the score help a great deal. You could also consider pre-pe= nding > > sections with the name of the blue soundobject they come from, and what= the > > soundobject's settings are as a comment block. If it is any easier to d= o I > > can also suggest an alternative of having an editor for instruments sim= ilar > > to the one in csedit. Each field has a description, a range, and a curr= ent > > value. All optional of course. That way the usual comment blocks can be > > auto-generated. > > > > If formating the CSD text is not an option, then I suppose then it woul= d be > > good to turn off line wrap in the editor window and just have it > > horizontallly scroll. I tend to get parameter happy with my designs, pu= tting > > a LOT of control in the score. Linewrap makes it harder to do. I like d= oing > > it even if it is not the best coding practice. > > > > Finally for now, Another suggestion. Generated CSDs when Solo is checke= d > > there should be an option to eliminate silence at the front of the scor= e. > > Make the start 1sec (user configable) to allow ftables to gen and so on= . > > > > I hope you dont have to refactor too much to do some of these things. > > > > Michael > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: blu...@li... > > [mailto:blu...@li...]On Behalf Of Steven > > Yi > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 5:01 PM > > To: blu...@li... > > Subject: Re: [Bluemusic-users] New ideas > > > > > > Hi Michael, > > > > This would actually be somewhat very tricky to implement I think. > > blue parses and strips out everything into internal notelists so that > > it's noteProcessors can work. It might be possible to do such a thing > > if I add a both a comment object as well as a comment field to the > > Note object so that note lines that have comment text as well as > > simple blocks of comment text can be handled. It's a good idea and > > might not be too bad to implement, but to be honest I don't have too > > much time to look into it at the moment. > > > > Generally, for me at least, I view the blue project itself as the > > primary entity one works with, while the CSD is a means to communicate > > to Csound. A similar view is what a sequencer's project file is to > > the midi information it generates. The MIDI is stripped of > > information compared to all of the metadata in the project file. > > Hence, blue has many places in which commenting is available > > (instruments, comment objects, internally with soundObject scores, > > etc.) while the stripped file is used to communicate to Csound. Also, > > the blue soundObjects as a system are a higher-level view of the music > > than the CSD, thus preserve musical ideas intact for later analysis by > > users, something which is not preserved in standard musical notation > > or most every other musical software. (i.e. "this musical idea in the > > soundObject library is a motive which is manipulated and used > > throughout the piece") > > > > steven > > > > On 7/10/05, Michael Rempel <mic...@sh...> wrote: > > > A suggestion of my own. > > > > > > Can you implement an option not to reformat the text of a score, leav= ing > > in > > > the comments and not putting tabs between score elements. I like to u= se > > > headers and comments to give me an idea of where various things are > > > happening. > > > > > > I know your manipulation of p2 makes this awkward. I can live with th= at. I > > > suppose it is reasonable to expect a tab after p2 or it will look a m= ess > > for > > > sure. > > > > > > Perhaps you already have this somewhere and I just missed it. > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar > > happening > > > July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in d= ual > > > core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hosted = by > > HP, > > > AMD, and NVIDIA. To register visit http://www.hp.com/go/dualwebinar > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Bluemusic-users mailing list > > > Blu...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar happ= ening > > July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. 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From: Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> - 2005-07-11 06:37:12
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Yikes! Okay, I see the issue (staring me in the face now!) and will fix it up shortly. Thanks for letting me know! steven On 7/11/05, t grey <tg...@gm...> wrote: > Excellent. >=20 > I just downloaded it, playing with the new hotkeys. They're great, > gonna save me lots of mouse mileage. Although this brought a bug to > my attention. Zooming in or out horizontally does not update the > start and end render lines in the score window, but it does on the > timeline (above the score window). >=20 > -Kevin >=20 > On 7/10/05, Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I put up a new release to address the bug Michael Rempel noted in the > > orchestra manager. I also added in a few feature requests by Kevin > > Welsh (big thanks to both of you!). > > > > I did just notice though that I forgot to update the documentation for > > the shortcuts. =3Do I'll have that for the next release, as doing > > releases here from Poland takes a lot longer to upload to Sourceforge > > and it took over 30 mins to upload files. > > > > Thanks again for all the feedback everyone! > > steven > > > > > > [CHANGE LOG] > > > > >Notes for 0.99.1< > > [released 2005.07.10] > > > > blue > > > > [new] - now displays render loop time in main tool bar > > (suggested by Kevin Welsh) > > > > [new] - shortcuts for zooming the timeline (timeline or soundobject= s must > > have focus for these to work): > > > > ctrl-equals - increase horizontal zoom > > ctrl-minus - decrease horizontal zoom > > ctrl-shift-equals - increase vertical zoom > > ctrl-shift-minus - increase vertical zoom > > > > (suggested by Kevin Welsh) > > > > [new] - shorcuts added to switch managers (tabs) > > > > alt-left - previous manager > > alt-right - next manager > > > > (suggested by Kevin Welsh) > > > > [fix] - Orchestra Manager - If instruments shared an Instrument ID,= if the > > user wanted to change the ID of an instrument that was not = the first > > one with that ID, when going to change it would incorrectly= change > > the ID of the first instrument with that ID > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar happ= ening > > July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in dua= l > > core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hosted by= HP, > > AMD, and NVIDIA. To register visit http://www.hp.com/go/dualwebinar > > _______________________________________________ > > Bluemusic-users mailing list > > Blu...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > > >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar happen= ing > July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in dual > core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hosted by H= P, > AMD, and NVIDIA. To register visit http://www.hp.com/go/dualwebinar > _______________________________________________ > Bluemusic-users mailing list > Blu...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > |
From: Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> - 2005-07-11 06:36:06
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Hi Michael, Thanks for mentioning it's on closing. I'll take a look and see what's going on, but can't give any estimates on time until I can reproduce the error (I'm sure it would be easy to fix once reproducing it). As for blue and capturing events, in Java it is possible to add a high level generic event capturer I think, but I think it'd be somewhat of a hack to do it that way, and there's already enough code in blue that needs cleaning up that I'd rather not add more. =3Do I've added it to my list of todo's and will try to schedule sometime in the next week or two to take a look at this. Thanks, steven On 7/11/05, Michael Rempel <mic...@sh...> wrote: > It is when closing. I dont know java well enough to advise you, but in > general windows coding it is fairly trivial to capture mouse and keyboard > events. I would also look at the inheritance structure of stuff that gets > windows focus and see if you can plug into a universal method somewhere. = I > do a lot of coding in Delphi, which makes this problem trivial, but Java = may > not be so straight forward. >=20 > Michael >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: blu...@li... > [mailto:blu...@li...]On Behalf Of Steven > Yi > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 4:43 PM > To: blu...@li... > Subject: Re: [Bluemusic-users] couple of problems >=20 >=20 > Hi Michael, >=20 > I'm sorry but I think I wasn't clear in the previous email, I was > talking about if two copies of the same file were opened, such that > there are two entries in the window menu of open projects. >=20 > For blue, the reason that closing the default empty file is not > possible is that blue does not know if a file has been changed since > it was opened or not. This not exactly easy to implement with a > simple flag, as the flag part is easy, but going through all of the > code to make sure that all changes to the data structure are marked > with a flag change is not easy. The correct way to do it would be if > everything was encapsulated as an undoable action and for the > UndoManager to be checked for if any changes have happened, but not > all of blue's actions are 1)Encapsulated in an action or are > 2)Undoable. That's also the reason why blue asks on exiting if the > user wants to save the project for every project open, because it does > not know if a file has changed or not. (BTW: When you say blue asks > you to save two times, does this count the first save you do when > inititating save yourself and then also when closing, or is it when > closing out the program you get asked twice for every file?) >=20 > steven >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 7/10/05, Michael Rempel <mic...@sh...> wrote: > > I can confirm that there were two documents open. I could switch to the > > blank project from the window menu. This is not standard Windows > behaviour. > > Most applications will close the default empty file when opening a save= d > > file. This is easy to implement with a flag. > > > > Michael > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: blu...@li... > > [mailto:blu...@li...]On Behalf Of t grey > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 12:19 PM > > To: blu...@li... > > Subject: Re: [Bluemusic-users] couple of problems > > > > > > I think the second save dialog you're seeing is because blue has 2 > > documents open at once. First is the default project opened with > > blue, second is the existing file you opened. > > > > -Kevin > > > > On 7/10/05, Michael Rempel <mic...@sh...> wrote: > > > One more note. I was saving blue projects in my own directory structu= re, > > not > > > in the blue home folder. When I exit the program it asks me twice if = I > > want > > > to save when I am not saving to the blue home folder. I wonder if thi= s > > could > > > have something to do with the problems I am having. > > > > > > also try this: add an instrument to the orchestra. Give it instrument > > number > > > 3. Then add another instrument. It will come up with instrument numbe= r > 2. > > > Double click on the second instrument to edit it, and your first > > instrument > > > is now 2, and your edited instrument is 3. > > > > > > I think you may have a few wild indexes. I hope all your arrays have = a > > > [0..n-1] range and not a [1..n] range. The latter are a programer's > > > nightmare, only made worse if you mix the two. > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: blu...@li... > > > [mailto:blu...@li...]On Behalf Of Mich= ael > > > Rempel > > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 11:46 AM > > > To: blu...@li... > > > Subject: RE: [Bluemusic-users] couple of problems > > > > > > > > > Oops, happened again. Sorry I sent you the CSD not the blue file. > > > > > > Another clue that may have bearing, I did a File/Save and then exited= by > > > saying no to the do you want to save dialog. I will investigate this > > myself > > > a bit further. > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: blu...@li... > > > [mailto:blu...@li...]On Behalf Of Mich= ael > > > Rempel > > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 10:10 AM > > > To: blu...@li... > > > Subject: RE: [Bluemusic-users] couple of problems > > > > > > > > > I think some of the temp files space got corrupted. Between Microsoft= , > sun > > > and my hard drive there is probably a lot of caching going on, and > > something > > > got corrupted. I saw an error message in the console window. A wipe o= f > > temp > > > space and a reboot seems to have cleared some of the problem for now.= I > > will > > > let you know if it kills another one. In the meantime i am versioning= my > > > saves. > > > > > > I did notice for instance when I changed instrument numbers in the > > orchestra > > > section, that they reverted to other values, not even the old ones. I > > > changed them again, and it was fine, the changes took. In another pla= ce > > > (Generic phrase 2) I was sure I had done a cut and paste. I went back= to > > it, > > > and nothing was there. I did the cut and paste again, and it stuck. M= y > > > pattern is change, save, build CSD. I usually open the csd in csedit = to > > see > > > what happened to my revisions, build from there and listen to the wav > > file. > > > I will probably eventually change this to work just in Blue. At the > moment > > I > > > want to use a familiar environment to cross check my work. > > > > > > I have enclosed the blue files. The instruments are copies but I dont > > > remember where from. I seem to recall the piece was called back side = of > > the > > > moon. I am just starting to work on messing it up. :-) > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: blu...@li... > > > [mailto:blu...@li...]On Behalf Of Stev= en > > > Yi > > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 5:04 AM > > > To: blu...@li... > > > Subject: Re: [Bluemusic-users] couple of problems > > > > > > > > > Hi Michael, > > > > > > Just to clarify, are you still having the problem or was it something > > > that is now gone? I would just like to make sure everything is > > > working for you, and if not or if so, how to diagnose for future > > > problems. > > > > > > As for the macros, that is very interesting that you shared this. I > > > have been debating lately to write a score language myself, but I hav= e > > > not yet explored in depth all of the other ones around. One of the > > > things I had thought was to do a short hand system like your macros > > > where notation names are used. I have explored the lilypond > > > typesetting program in the past and I was thinking the score language > > > it uses might be a good candidate to model on. > > > > > > Oh, but also, blue is not very Csound macro friendly! =3D( Mostly I > > > never got around to it as I rarely use Csound macros. Using them in > > > pfields other than p1, p2, or p3 of a score may possibly work, but if > > > in the first three, may cause errors. This is because blue parses al= l > > > score texts to read in note start and durations so that it can > > > translate and multiply those for when moving blocks around. I'm > > > guessing if there is any space in your macro invocation, blue might > > > split the macro and then reassemble but with a tab in between, which > > > could cause a problem (not sure). Just something to be careful about. > > > If you do run into any problems using macros, please let me know. I'= d > > > be more than happy to take a look and see what can be done in blue's > > > score parser then. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > steven > > > > > > On 7/10/05, Michael Rempel <mic...@sh...> wrote: > > > > I think I had problems in the temporary file area. > > > > > > > > I was just doing the the usual simple score stuff. > > > > > > > > BTW, I use a macro I am enclosing. It is easier than remembering > > numbers. > > > > > > > > Feel free to use it. > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: blu...@li... > > > > [mailto:blu...@li...]On Behalf Of > Steven > > > > Yi > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 3:09 AM > > > > To: blu...@li... > > > > Subject: Re: [Bluemusic-users] couple of problems > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Michael, > > > > > > > > The project seems to be a pretty empty project file (the project fi= les > > > > are XML btw, and can be viewed with a text editor). I opened it, > > > > added a soundObject, saved it, closed the file, and reopened it > > > > without problems. I'm on Linux, Java 1.5.0_02, PIII-M Laptop. > > > > > > > > Could you explain perhaps what kind of things you were doing in blu= e? > > > > One possibility I can think of is if there is an exception being > > > > thrown in the underlying blue code that isn't being caught somewher= e, > > > > it could mess up blue such that blue would seem to be continuing to > > > > operate correctly but not really. This is a possibility, and if it > > > > was to happen, the command line prompt that opens up before blue's = UI > > > > opens up should have a flurry of messages pass by with a java stack > > > > trace. > > > > > > > > steven > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/10/05, Michael Rempel <mic...@sh...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: blu...@li... > > > > > [mailto:blu...@li...]On Behalf Of > > Steven > > > > > Yi > > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 2:35 AM > > > > > To: blu...@li... > > > > > Subject: Re: [Bluemusic-users] couple of problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Michael, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the info regarding SHARC. It's not been around for a > long > > > > > while now but zip's or tar's of the SHARC project can be found > online > > > > > through google. I had to use google a few months ago to find it > > > > > myself; I'll try to update my csounds site with a new link shortl= y. > > > > > > > > > > As for the file saving feature, I've never experienced such a thi= ng > or > > > > > have had any reports to me about this happening. Are there any > > > > > strange file permissions going on for either file you're trying t= o > > > > > save or the directory you are saving to? I think blue would give= an > > > > > error message though if it couldn't save the file... hmm. Could = you > > > > > maybe send me a copy of the file you were working on when this > > > > > happened? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > steven > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/10/05, Michael Rempel <mic...@sh...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Steven > > > > > > > > > > > > I was poking around on your csounds site. The link to SHARC is > dead > > > from > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also I was using version .98 of blue. I am quite impressed, ver= y > > well > > > > > > thought out program. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have trouble saving. Things that I change revert to former > states, > > > and > > > > I > > > > > > just lost an entire project. Now it could be I am not familiar > with > > > this > > > > > > thing yet. But I did a save and exited the program only to > discover > > > that > > > > > the > > > > > > only thing that was saved is the instrument library. All my sco= re > > > stuff > > > > is > > > > > > missing. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can do an edit, and save, then go back to that item and find > that > > > some > > > > > or > > > > > > all of my edits have reverted to their former state. > > > > > > > > > > > > I just downloaded the .99 version which I hope will help solve > these > > > > > issues, > > > > > > but I did not see this discussed in the changes so I thought I > > better > > > > send > > > > > a > > > > > > note. > > > > > > > > > > > > TIA for your help > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Rempel > > > > > > > > > > > > Intel 4 2.53Ghz 512 Meg ram > > > > > > > > > > > > Running Windows 2000 pro with SP 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > C:\DOCUME~1\ADMINI~1>java -version >ver.txt > > > > > > java version "1.5.0_02" > > > > > > Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build > > 1.5.0_02-b09) > > > > > > Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_02-b09, mixed mode, > sharing) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webi= nar > > > > > happening > > > > > > July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. 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From: t g. <tg...@gm...> - 2005-07-11 04:19:59
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Well, I don't think a line can switch between linear and exponential.=20 All segments in a line would have to match I would think... Tho if you have multiple lines in an object, they could each be different. Also, how about an "init" toggle for lines, telling them to do a global orch init? -Kevin On 7/10/05, Chuckk Hubbard <bad...@gm...> wrote: > > object properties: I think this is more of a minor bug. If I change > > the duration of an object in it's properties dialog, the end time > > doesn't update until I close the dialog and reopen it. >=20 > I found it odd at first that you can't just click on something and > drag it, you have to select it first and then move it. Then I > discovered why. If you want to line up several things, you can open > the properties dialog and click on each one in turn. If you could > move things without selecting them first, they'd slide when you select > them. What I did was created a series of 10-second lineObjects so the > x-axis would be precisely controllable in each; so I wanted them all > to line up exactly. This meant I had to name my instrument instr 20, > since each lineObject is an instrument. Works though. >=20 >=20 > > > > line objects: This is one of my favorite new features, and plan to > > use it extensively. I wouldn't mind being able to select color for > > lines (for grouping certain ones together visually). If it interests > > you, you could probably reuse the color selector on objects in the > > timeline too. How about possibly even using some of the other > > linear/exponential segment routines in line objects? Could this same > > concept be applied to generating "normal" global tables? >=20 > I agree line objects are the bomb. I never thought of using > exponential segment routines with them, that would be wonderful. Even > just a single option, to have the segments switch between linear and > exponential, would be really neat. Would this be as simple as > switching between -5 and -7 ftables? I suppose there would have to be > some safegaurd against 0 in the case of exponential. >=20 > Speaking of which, Steven, I notice if I click on a line set from -1 > to 1 and move a dot around, sometimes I can't return it to 0, it gets > set so it goes from a very small negative number to a very small > positive number. Is this just my screen resolution? I guess it must > be when I drag it the whole way to 1 or -1, then it counts increments > from there, and there's no way to get it back to 0. >=20 > Anyway enjoy yourself first, respond to me later... >=20 > -Chuckk >=20 > > > > close / accept / cancel on dialogs: Some dialog windows (like object > > properties) have no button to accept changes. I don't have a close > > button on my window manager, so I always end up reverting to a hotkey > > to close the window. If no button is present, how about escape as a > > key to close or cancel? > > > > Let me know what you think. Blue is looking great! > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar happ= ening > > July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in dua= l > > core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hosted by= HP, > > AMD, and NVIDIA. To register visit http://www.hp.com/go/dualwebinar > > _______________________________________________ > > Bluemusic-users mailing list > > Blu...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > > >=20 >=20 > -- > "It is not when truth is dirty, but when it is shallow, that the lover > of knowledge is reluctant to step into its waters." > -Friedrich Nietzsche, "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar happen= ing > July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in dual > core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hosted by H= P, > AMD, and NVIDIA. To register visit http://www.hp.com/go/dualwebinar > _______________________________________________ > Bluemusic-users mailing list > Blu...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > |