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From: Toby F. <tob...@gm...> - 2012-11-18 19:57:35
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Thank you. A service well served. Trivia: What does CC: stand for? On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Joe <jo...@ma...> wrote: > It's pretty simple. > "To" means "This email is addressed to you directly" and your email > address is visible to anyone else who reads the email (including malware). > > "CC" means this email isn't addressed to you (so you don't need to > respond, etc.), but it's something I think you should know about. It also > lets everyone know you received it - the same as "To", so they don't > forward another copy to you, etc.) > > This is often used on teams where you're talking with one person/group, > but it may affect/interest others who need to know and who also need to > know who else knows what's going on. If I update a procedure at work, I > would send a note "To" my supervisor saying that it was done, I'd "CC" it > to people who use that procedure so they know what to do and can't say they > weren't told (and won't send copies of it to other people they think should > know - because they can see those people were also CC'd on the email) and I > might BCC a copy of it to my private email address for archival purposes. > > "BCC" serves the same purpose as CC, but each recipient cannot see any > other email addresses on the BCC list. (They can still see all the > addresses on the "To" and "CC" lists.) This allows sending information to > a group without telling each recipient who else received it. It also gets > rid of emails that contain a couple of lines of text, but that start with a > page or more of To and cc addresses when you print them. > > It seems like a lost cause, but I often send people who misuse to or cc a > boilerplate reply that explains the above and adds: "My giving you my > email address does not constitute permission for you to give it out to > other people." > > Joe > > > On 11/18/2012 02:13 PM, Toby Fredrickson wrote: > > To:, CC:, Bcc: > > Please tell us all the relationships and how this can help us all. Some > are savvy, but seeing it in a posting would be most welcome. > > Thanks. > > Toby > > On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Joe <jo...@ma...> wrote: > >> Spam is really annoying, but discussing it shouldn't be a reason for us >> to be uncivil to each other. >> >> You bring up some valid points. It is undoubtedly harder to spam a list >> like this by chance. Just for my own information, can you refer me to some >> evidence that your assertions are true? >> >> I belong to a number of non-technical lists that just can't be convinced >> to use BCC and once my address has unnecessarily gone out to 30 or more >> recipients for each list, it's vulnerability/availability goes up at least >> geometrically, if not exponentially. >> >> I would suggest a single warning email to the account (requiring a timely >> "human" reply) before banning it. People come to lists like this for >> support and should not be banned lightly. >> >> Of course, all of this is up to the moderator who is the only one who can >> take such an action. >> >> If he or she is good at reading email headers (I'm not), then a simple >> address spoof could be detected. But, if the address is spoofed, the list >> still gets it, so it's a problem even if it isn't the poster's fault. >> Knowing that would at least allow the moderator to send out a more polite >> banning message than "I don't like you and I don't like your computer >> either." Or worse yet, no message at all. >> >> 1) People don't usually let their computers send other people's spam on >> purpose. Very often, they don't know it's happening. If it's really a >> spam account, then there will almost certainly be no reply to a warning. >> If they are informed, maybe they will correct the problem. >> >> 2) I've seen spam using my email address and I run Linux, which, although >> it isn't invulnerable to such things, almost never gets "hacked" this way. >> >> In any case, "incompetent" people are not "bad" people and should be >> treated politely, even though their incompetence may cause situations like >> this that have to be addressed. >> >> Joe >> >> On 11/18/2012 09:50 AM, N4AOF wrote: >> >> Oh yes, it is always “someone else’s” computer that “got hacked” -- BS >> on both counts – the vast majority of these spam infestations come from the >> person either getting malware on their computer or from the person having >> given away their account information in response to phishing, fake sites, >> social engineering, or harvesting programs that offer to ‘consolidate’ all >> your mail accounts. >> >> The “someone else’s computer” story CAN occasionally be true because some >> botnet malware does change the “from” address on the email (usually >> detectable in the headers) but that is rare overall and the odds are nearly >> astronomical in any closed mail list (like this one and Yahoo or Google >> Groups) because the changed “from” address would need to match someone on >> the subscriber list. >> >> Bottom line: When we see spam here, it almost certainly came from the >> account shown in the From address and usually the individual is far from >> blameless. >> >> In any case, regardless of who might be at fault, there is only one >> reasonable response for the manager of any mail list – once an address is >> used to send spam to the group, the manager needs to remove and ban that >> account from the list to prevent its use for continued spamming of the list >> members. >> >> >> *From:* Joe <jo...@ma...> >> *Sent:* Sunday, November 18, 2012 03:37 AM >> *To:* bit...@li... >> *Subject:* Re: [BitPim-user] (no subject) >> >> Most of the time, somebody else got their computer hacked and all the >> email addresses harvested and used without ever touching any of their >> computers. Teach people to use BCC instead of CC or TO for mailings so >> fewer addresses get unnecessarily propagated to vulnerable machines. >> >> On 11/17/2012 10:28 PM, Toby Fredrickson wrote: >> >> That happened to my Daughter on my Comcast account. She apparently >> switched over to "dookieprotect" (based on a fellow "stoodent" claiming it >> was the best) or something like it as malware protection and her box got >> zombied into a spam machine. We got it fixed. Any reputable virus system >> should fix that. >> >> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 7:01 PM, N4AOF <n4...@ar...> wrote: >> >>> Another idiot who wants to claim his Yahoo account was “hacked” >>> because he can’t explain why his computer is sending out spam. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single >> web console. 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