Re: [BitPim-user] (no subject)

[Toby F. <tob...@gm...>]

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Please tell us all the relationships and how this can help us all. Some
are savvy,  but seeing it in a posting would be most welcome.

Thanks.

Toby

On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Joe <jo...@ma...> wrote:

>  Spam is really annoying, but discussing it shouldn't be a reason for us
> to be uncivil to each other.
>
> You bring up some valid points.  It is undoubtedly harder to spam a list
> like this by chance.  Just for my own information, can you refer me to some
> evidence that your assertions are true?
>
> I belong to a number of non-technical lists that just can't be convinced
> to use BCC and once my address has unnecessarily gone out to 30 or more
> recipients for each list, it's vulnerability/availability goes up at least
> geometrically, if not exponentially.
>
> I would suggest a single warning email to the account (requiring a timely
> "human" reply) before banning it.  People come to lists like this for
> support and should not be banned lightly.
>
> Of course, all of this is up to the moderator who is the only one who can
> take such an action.
>
> If he or she is good at reading email headers (I'm not), then a simple
> address spoof could be detected.  But, if the address is spoofed, the list
> still gets it, so it's a problem even if it isn't the poster's fault.
> Knowing that would at least allow the moderator to send out a more polite
> banning message than "I don't like you and I don't like your computer
> either." Or worse yet, no message at all.
>
> 1) People don't usually let their computers send other people's spam on
> purpose.  Very often, they don't know it's happening.  If it's really a
> spam account, then there will almost certainly be no reply to a warning.
> If they are informed, maybe they will correct the problem.
>
> 2) I've seen spam using my email address and I run Linux, which, although
> it isn't invulnerable to such things, almost never gets "hacked" this way.
>
> In any case, "incompetent" people are not "bad" people and should be
> treated politely, even though their incompetence may cause situations like
> this that have to be addressed.
>
> Joe
>
> On 11/18/2012 09:50 AM, N4AOF wrote:
>
>  Oh yes, it is always “someone else’s” computer that “got hacked” --  BS
> on both counts – the vast majority of these spam infestations come from the
> person either getting malware on their computer or from the person having
> given away their account information in response to phishing, fake sites,
> social engineering, or harvesting programs that offer to ‘consolidate’ all
> your mail accounts.
>
> The “someone else’s computer” story CAN occasionally be true because some
> botnet malware does change the “from” address on the email (usually
> detectable in the headers) but that is rare overall and the odds are nearly
> astronomical in any closed mail list (like this one and Yahoo or Google
> Groups) because the changed “from” address would need to match someone on
> the subscriber list.
>
> Bottom line: When we see spam here, it almost certainly came from the
> account shown in the From address and usually the individual is far from
> blameless.
>
> In any case, regardless of who might be at fault, there is only one
> reasonable response for the manager of any mail list – once an address is
> used to send spam to the group, the manager needs to remove and ban that
> account from the list to prevent its use for continued spamming of the list
> members.
>
>
>  *From:* Joe <jo...@ma...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 18, 2012 03:37 AM
> *To:* bit...@li...
> *Subject:* Re: [BitPim-user] (no subject)
>
>  Most of the time, somebody else got their computer hacked and all the
> email addresses harvested and used without ever touching any of their
> computers.  Teach people to use BCC instead of CC or TO for mailings so
> fewer addresses get unnecessarily propagated to vulnerable machines.
>
> On 11/17/2012 10:28 PM, Toby Fredrickson wrote:
>
> That happened to my Daughter on my Comcast account. She apparently
> switched over to "dookieprotect" (based on a fellow "stoodent" claiming it
> was the best) or something like it as malware protection and her box got
> zombied into a spam machine. We got it fixed. Any reputable virus system
> should fix that.
>
> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 7:01 PM, N4AOF <n4...@ar...> wrote:
>
>>   Another idiot who wants to claim his Yahoo account was “hacked”
>> because he can’t explain why his computer is sending out spam.
>>
>>
>>
>
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