Re: Re (PRODUCTION!): [binarycloud-dev] ANT vs. MAKE

[<bin...@li...>]

On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 08:26:55PM +0200, bin...@li... wrote:
> Hi Dave,
> 
> >> >I'm a new user and maybe out of line here but...
> >> You are not! :-)
> >Well........ New to BC!
> 
> But not out of line (if i've understood the term right in sense of "my
> opinion does not matter", i'm not a native speaker).
I was only remarking that I may be speaking on a subject already covered
in depth. I Didn't want to bring up an old topic. You understood correctly
so don't appologize for being bi-lingual, which I am not ;^)
> 
> 
> >Got that already in PHP ;^) If I could ever get Sablotron
> >to work I'm not sure I would need/want *.jsp.
> That was ironic a ironic remark. But what sablot concerns, what does not
> work with your setup ?
That would be off-topic, but I have issues with the Sablot build and
iconv.h, It's a FreeBSD issue, but frustrating non the less.
> 
> 
> >> That's a point. On the other hand you need a working
> >> make and all related tools. The advantage here is that
> >> we can provide jre and a env setting script with bc.
> >> And if everything is packaged and configured well, you don't
> >> need to install something optional.
> 
> >Yes, but that was already installed and in use for the
> >multitude of other tools/apps I have/will install. Agreed you
> >could package everything together, but that moots the point of
> >moving to ANT so developers can move
> >on with other BC things. I don't want them to get tied up
> >developing an ANT package installer under the assumption
> >it will save time over developing a PHP based installer.
> 
> Of course, complete PHP based make would be really killer. I personally
> preffer that much over all other options.
> 
> >>
> >> >Not real sure I would want to learn Java in order to use PHP ;^)
> >> No, no. You don't need to know anything about coding in java or something
> >> like that, as well as you don't have to know make/autoconf stuff
> >to make bc
> >> or other projects now. They only think you have to do is edit
> >MakeConf.xml.
> 
> >Well, maybe. I've had to dive into make files many times,
> >and I've helped newbies around some problems with installing
> >software before as well. You can't say you will *never* have to
> >use/edit/write Java to have an ANT install package.
> 
> Really? As i said before, I don't know ant very much. Do you have experience
> with it? Can you give a example when ant needs to be extended with java
> code?
No I don't, just with Tomcat, which didn't install out of the box as they
claimed. Not a big deal, we all expect it with new software. Just noting
that one more addition to the build process will not likely make life
easier. More often it makes things more complicated.
> 
> 
> >> Of course, in this case, jre and and would be provided by bc (i.e.
> >> binarycloud/make/jre/win32|linx|sparc).
> >And BSD and Mac OSX and Darwin and AIX and .......?
> 
> Hmm.
> 
> 
> >Of course I am not as informed as to why PHP is during
> >the install as I've just started looking at the cvs tree
> >I have. But I'm real curious, had to drag out the PHP
> >sources again to build a cgi version, just to install BC.
> 
> Don't understand what you mean. Are you reffering compilation of php
> binaries or something bc specific?
Yes, the need to have a PHP binary in order to install BC. Having always
used PHP as a module I actually forgot how to make a standalone PHP!

I understand now the issue, Windows users have no access to GNU tools for
the build process. In that sense I understand the need now for a build
system not requiring Makefiles.

DAve
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