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Re: [binarycloud-dev] functioning download available

[TAO R. <ron...@ho...>]

>if anyone has any problems, let me know.
there is a bug in binarycloud.php with Win32, and I have attacted the 
patched version.

Ronald TAO
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Re: [binarycloud-dev] functioning download available

[TAO R. <ron...@ho...>]

>What would happen if you wanted a central install of BC to run more 
>than
>one site?  How would you tell it which binarycloud.php to include?
if your binarycloud.php is not located in a public accessible dir,
it should be no problem

>
>Also, is there any other permissible way of doing this - I could set 
>up r1
>on free web hosts because I could use an .htaccess, but I don't 
>think the
>above is supported, at least not with safe_mode enabled :-(
I have no problem with safe_mode enabled.

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RE: [binarycloud-dev] functioning download available

[Faine, M. <Mar...@ms...>]

There seems to be a problem getting it to install on iPlanet.  I think the
problem is with the code:
$pieces = explode('/', $HTTP_SERVER_VARS[DOCUMENT_ROOT]);  

There is no $HTTP_SERVER_VARS[DOCUMENT_ROOT] or at least I can't find it.
There still is doc_root from the php.ini, could I use that instead, if so
how would I refer to it.

-Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Black [mailto:en...@tu...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 5:27 PM
To: binarycloud-dev
Subject: [binarycloud-dev] functioning download available


http://www.binarycloud.com/download/

under "binarycloud r2 pre-release downloads"

the "binarycloud r2 shell" link gets you a tarball.

note that you can see a functioning version at:
http://www.binarycloud.com:8000/
seems to be averaging about 2/thousanths of a second on that machine, my dev
machine is consistently coming in at ~.013 seconds :)

once you have untarred that file, you'll have a directory: r2
if you copy:

    r2/binarycloud.php to your php include path
    and
    r2/binarycloud to one level above htdocs
    and
    r2/htdocs/* to somewhere (anywhere) in your server's document root,

you should have a functional install that renders pages.

if anyone has any problems, let me know.

btw, the above should be about as complex as installation gets for r2 :)

_alex



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Re: [binarycloud-dev] functioning download available

[alex b. <en...@tu...>]

hi mark,

try this:

in binarycloud.php, just hardcode the path for the moment
(i.e. delete all the code except "define(BC_PATH..." and just set the path.

that will get your install functional..

then, go to /path/to/bc/htdocs/index.php

at the bottom of that page, there's a bunch of commented out lines:

//$Debug->Output("globals");

is the one you want to un-comment.

that will give you a print_r of your globals...

can you copy that, and send it to me?
(you may want to clean parts of it that contain IPs etc)

that way I can see what the iPlanet env looks like.

thanks,

_alex

----- Original Message -----
From: "Faine, Mark" <Mar...@ms...>
To: <bin...@li...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 5:54 AM
Subject: RE: [binarycloud-dev] functioning download available


> There seems to be a problem getting it to install on iPlanet.  I think the
> problem is with the code:
> $pieces = explode('/', $HTTP_SERVER_VARS[DOCUMENT_ROOT]);
>
> There is no $HTTP_SERVER_VARS[DOCUMENT_ROOT] or at least I can't find it.
> There still is doc_root from the php.ini, could I use that instead, if so
> how would I refer to it.
>
> -Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex Black [mailto:en...@tu...]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 5:27 PM
> To: binarycloud-dev
> Subject: [binarycloud-dev] functioning download available
>
>
> http://www.binarycloud.com/download/
>
> under "binarycloud r2 pre-release downloads"
>
> the "binarycloud r2 shell" link gets you a tarball.
>
> note that you can see a functioning version at:
> http://www.binarycloud.com:8000/
> seems to be averaging about 2/thousanths of a second on that machine, my
dev
> machine is consistently coming in at ~.013 seconds :)
>
> once you have untarred that file, you'll have a directory: r2
> if you copy:
>
>     r2/binarycloud.php to your php include path
>     and
>     r2/binarycloud to one level above htdocs
>     and
>     r2/htdocs/* to somewhere (anywhere) in your server's document root,
>
> you should have a functional install that renders pages.
>
> if anyone has any problems, let me know.
>
> btw, the above should be about as complex as installation gets for r2 :)
>
> _alex
>
>
>
> --
> alex black, ceo
> en...@tu...
>
> the turing studio, inc.
> http://www.turingstudio.com
>
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> fax+510.666.0093
>
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RE: [binarycloud-dev] functioning download available

[Faine, M. <Mar...@ms...>]

in binarycloud.php, just hardcode the path for the moment
(i.e. delete all the code except "define(BC_PATH..." and just set the path.

exactly what I did, should be ok for now.

then, go to /path/to/bc/htdocs/index.php

at the bottom of that page, there's a bunch of commented out lines:

//$Debug->Output("globals");

is the one you want to un-comment.

that will give you a print_r of your globals...

Here they are:

Debug called with: 'globals'



= GLOBALS Array
==========================================================================

Array
(
    [QUERY_STRING] => 
    [REQUEST_LINE] => GET /bc/index.php HTTP/1.1
    [REQUEST_METHOD] => GET
    [SCRIPT_NAME] => /bc/index.php
    [SCRIPT_PROTOCOL] => HTTP/1.1
    [CONTENT_LENGTH] => 
    [CONTENT_TYPE] => 
    [HTTP_ACCEPT] => */*
    [HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING] => gzip, deflate
    [HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE] => en-us
    [HTTP_AUTHORIZATION] => 
    [HTTP_COOKIE] => 
    [HTTP_IF_MODIFIED_SINCE] => 
    [HTTP_REFERER] => 
    [HTTP_USER_AGENT] => Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)
    [HTTP_USER_DEFINED] => 
    [AUTH_TYPE] => 
    [PATH_INFO] => 
    [REMOTE_USER] => 
    [HTTPS_KEYSIZE] => 
    [HTTPS_SECRETSIZE] => 
    [REMOTE_ADDR] => IP was here
    [PHP_SELF] => /bc/index.php
    [HTTP_POST_VARS] => Array
        (
        )

    [HTTP_GET_VARS] => Array
        (
        )

    [HTTP_COOKIE_VARS] => Array
        (
        )

    [HTTP_SERVER_VARS] => Array
        (
            [QUERY_STRING] => 
            [REQUEST_LINE] => GET /bc/index.php HTTP/1.1
            [REQUEST_METHOD] => GET
            [SCRIPT_NAME] => /bc/index.php
            [SCRIPT_PROTOCOL] => HTTP/1.1
            [CONTENT_LENGTH] => 
            [CONTENT_TYPE] => 
            [HTTP_ACCEPT] => */*
            [HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING] => gzip, deflate
            [HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE] => en-us
            [HTTP_AUTHORIZATION] => 
            [HTTP_COOKIE] => 
            [HTTP_IF_MODIFIED_SINCE] => 
            [HTTP_REFERER] => 
            [HTTP_USER_AGENT] => Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows
NT 5.0)
            [HTTP_USER_DEFINED] => 
            [AUTH_TYPE] => 
            [PATH_INFO] => 
            [REMOTE_USER] => 
            [HTTPS_KEYSIZE] => 
            [HTTPS_SECRETSIZE] => 
            [REMOTE_ADDR] => IP was here
            [PHP_SELF] => /bc/index.php
        )

    [HTTP_ENV_VARS] => Array
        (
        )

    [HTTP_POST_FILES] => Array
        (
        )

    [SERVER_PORT] => 2500
    [HTTPS] => OFF
    [SERVER_NAME] => starbase
    [REMOTE_HOST] => 
    [SERVER_URL] => http://starbase:2500
    [PATH_TRANSLATED] => /raidb4/iPlanet/server/docs/bc/index.php

There were more but didn't seem important let me know if I left anything you
needed out.

I'm also getting JS errors and missing images, are there any other paths or
switches that need setting?

Also, this: Unable to call _pear_call_destructors() - function does not
exist in Unknown on line 0

but I'm guessing you know about this one already.



-Mark
    

Re: [binarycloud-dev] functioning download available

[Alex B. <en...@tu...>]

> exactly what I did, should be ok for now.

ah, good.

>   [PATH_TRANSLATED] => /raidb4/iPlanet/server/docs/bc/index.php

agh! not quite :)

I don't see any Docroot or anything similar.

What I'll do with the "distro" version of r2 is include the current code in
binarycloud.php, but commented out.

The only code in the distro will be

define("BC_PATH","/blah/blah/blah/binarycloud/");


> I'm also getting JS errors and missing images, are there any other paths or
> switches that need setting?

cd /raidb4/iPlanet/server/docs/bc/
cp -R resources ../

reload

> Also, this: Unable to call _pear_call_destructors() - function does not
> exist in Unknown on line 0

Yes, after looking quite carefully at PEAR_Error, I am sad to say that it
isn't beefy enough.

So, we'e going to do an error class as well. Snarf!

> but I'm guessing you know about this one already.
yep.

_alex



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[binarycloud-dev] blank page with binarycloud r1

[Spiggy T. <th...@me...>]

okie. i get a blank page with absolutely nothing in it. not even in the
source of the page.. i have tried the page with all the browsers i have
installed (win2k/linux)

my setup is php4.0.5, mysql 3.23.37, redhat 7.1. i have lots of virtualhosts
and php/ mysql works. i took the virtualhost config from binarycloud.com and
pasted it to httpd.conf (only changed the paths). i have tried to change the
paths again (in defined_constants) just to test and that does produce an
error so i am assuming bc is finding everything correctly.

have i missed something obvious?

paivi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Black" <en...@tu...>
To: "binarycloud-dev" <bin...@li...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [binarycloud-dev] functioning download available


> > exactly what I did, should be ok for now.
>
> ah, good.
>
> >   [PATH_TRANSLATED] => /raidb4/iPlanet/server/docs/bc/index.php
>
> agh! not quite :)
>
> I don't see any Docroot or anything similar.
>
> What I'll do with the "distro" version of r2 is include the current code
in
> binarycloud.php, but commented out.
>
> The only code in the distro will be
>
> define("BC_PATH","/blah/blah/blah/binarycloud/");
>
>
> > I'm also getting JS errors and missing images, are there any other paths
or
> > switches that need setting?
>
> cd /raidb4/iPlanet/server/docs/bc/
> cp -R resources ../
>
> reload
>
> > Also, this: Unable to call _pear_call_destructors() - function does not
> > exist in Unknown on line 0
>
> Yes, after looking quite carefully at PEAR_Error, I am sad to say that it
> isn't beefy enough.
>
> So, we'e going to do an error class as well. Snarf!
>
> > but I'm guessing you know about this one already.
> yep.
>
> _alex
>
>
>
> --
> alex black, ceo
> en...@tu...
>
> the turing studio, inc.
> http://www.turingstudio.com
>
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> fax+510.666.0093
>
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>

Re: [binarycloud-dev] blank page with binarycloud r1

[alex b. <en...@tu...>]

this is almost certainly a session problem.

try commenting out start_session()
in htdocs/index.php, and see what happens.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Spiggy TheCat" <th...@me...>
To: <bin...@li...>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 8:06 PM
Subject: [binarycloud-dev] blank page with binarycloud r1


> okie. i get a blank page with absolutely nothing in it. not even in the
> source of the page.. i have tried the page with all the browsers i have
> installed (win2k/linux)
>
> my setup is php4.0.5, mysql 3.23.37, redhat 7.1. i have lots of
virtualhosts
> and php/ mysql works. i took the virtualhost config from binarycloud.com
and
> pasted it to httpd.conf (only changed the paths). i have tried to change
the
> paths again (in defined_constants) just to test and that does produce an
> error so i am assuming bc is finding everything correctly.
>
> have i missed something obvious?
>
> paivi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Black" <en...@tu...>
> To: "binarycloud-dev" <bin...@li...>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 2:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [binarycloud-dev] functioning download available
>
>
> > > exactly what I did, should be ok for now.
> >
> > ah, good.
> >
> > >   [PATH_TRANSLATED] => /raidb4/iPlanet/server/docs/bc/index.php
> >
> > agh! not quite :)
> >
> > I don't see any Docroot or anything similar.
> >
> > What I'll do with the "distro" version of r2 is include the current code
> in
> > binarycloud.php, but commented out.
> >
> > The only code in the distro will be
> >
> > define("BC_PATH","/blah/blah/blah/binarycloud/");
> >
> >
> > > I'm also getting JS errors and missing images, are there any other
paths
> or
> > > switches that need setting?
> >
> > cd /raidb4/iPlanet/server/docs/bc/
> > cp -R resources ../
> >
> > reload
> >
> > > Also, this: Unable to call _pear_call_destructors() - function does
not
> > > exist in Unknown on line 0
> >
> > Yes, after looking quite carefully at PEAR_Error, I am sad to say that
it
> > isn't beefy enough.
> >
> > So, we'e going to do an error class as well. Snarf!
> >
> > > but I'm guessing you know about this one already.
> > yep.
> >
> > _alex
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > alex black, ceo
> > en...@tu...
> >
> > the turing studio, inc.
> > http://www.turingstudio.com
> >
> > vox+510.666.0074
> > fax+510.666.0093
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > bin...@li...
> > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev
> >
> >
>
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Re: [binarycloud-dev] blank page with binarycloud r1

[Spiggy T. <th...@me...>]

> this is almost certainly a session problem.
>
> try commenting out start_session()
> in htdocs/index.php, and see what happens.
>
nope. that was not it. still a blank page. my apache is ver 1.3.19 btw if it
makes any difference.

does binarycloud work with apache 2.0? my box is in an internal network so i
dont have security issues to be concerned about. so i might try the new beta
while im at it :)

paivi

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Spiggy TheCat" <th...@me...>
> To: <bin...@li...>
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 8:06 PM
> Subject: [binarycloud-dev] blank page with binarycloud r1
>
>
> > okie. i get a blank page with absolutely nothing in it. not even in the
> > source of the page.. i have tried the page with all the browsers i have
> > installed (win2k/linux)
> >
> > my setup is php4.0.5, mysql 3.23.37, redhat 7.1. i have lots of
> virtualhosts
> > and php/ mysql works. i took the virtualhost config from binarycloud.com
> and
> > pasted it to httpd.conf (only changed the paths). i have tried to change
> the
> > paths again (in defined_constants) just to test and that does produce an
> > error so i am assuming bc is finding everything correctly.
> >
> > have i missed something obvious?
> >
> > paivi

Re: [binarycloud-dev] blank page with binarycloud r1

[Alex B. <en...@tu...>]

> 
>> this is almost certainly a session problem.
>> 
>> try commenting out start_session()
>> in htdocs/index.php, and see what happens.
>> 
> nope. that was not it. still a blank page. my apache is ver 1.3.19 btw if it
> makes any difference.
> 
> does binarycloud work with apache 2.0? my box is in an internal network so i
> dont have security issues to be concerned about. so i might try the new beta
> while im at it :)

I have not tested with 2.0.

Probably.

on to your issue.

what does the url look like in your browser?
try editing binarycloud/user/conf/prepend.inc

find this line:
check_permissions($perms_group);

and comment it out.

see what happens then.

_a



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Re: [binarycloud-dev] blank page with binarycloud r1

[Spiggy T. <th...@me...>]

> what does the url look like in your browser?
> try editing binarycloud/user/conf/prepend.inc
>
> find this line:
> check_permissions($perms_group);

woohoo! i have something: the banner image, menu (no links) and

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: get_directory_names_array() in
/include/binarycloud/core/lib/bread_crumbs_and_tabs.lib on line 78

err.. alex, im assuming you know what this means :)?

Re: [binarycloud-dev] blank page with binarycloud r1

[Alex B. <en...@tu...>]

>> what does the url look like in your browser?
>> try editing binarycloud/user/conf/prepend.inc
>> 
>> find this line:
>> check_permissions($perms_group);
> 
> woohoo! i have something: the banner image, menu (no links) and
> 
> Fatal error: Call to undefined function: get_directory_names_array() in
> /include/binarycloud/core/lib/bread_crumbs_and_tabs.lib on line 78
>
> err.. alex, im assuming you know what this means :)?

yes. that function:
get_directory_names_array()
is contained in the file whose line you commented out :)

---

but the important question is, what are you getting the blank page?
so:
    -do you have binarycloud somewhere strange (like /docroot/foo/index.php)
in your tree?
    -have you noticed that you are actually getting an infinite loop, and
your url is something like:
    http://example/place/index.php?rd=/index.php&rd=index.php etc?

give me as much info as you can.

_a





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Re: [binarycloud-dev] blank page with binarycloud r1

[Spiggy T. <th...@me...>]

'htdocs' for bc is located at /web/bc/, binarycloud is at
/include/binarycloud/. i get what i get when i go to http://binarycloud/,
same when i add index.php, no loops as far as i can see... thats pretty much
all i can think about.

virtualhost is straight from your site (with paths changed), except that i
use the local ip address for the virtualhost. apache is running as
nobody.nobody and the files are owned by the server.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Black" <en...@tu...>
To: "binarycloud-dev" <bin...@li...>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [binarycloud-dev] blank page with binarycloud r1


> >> what does the url look like in your browser?
> >> try editing binarycloud/user/conf/prepend.inc
> >>
> >> find this line:
> >> check_permissions($perms_group);
> >
> > woohoo! i have something: the banner image, menu (no links) and
> >
> > Fatal error: Call to undefined function: get_directory_names_array() in
> > /include/binarycloud/core/lib/bread_crumbs_and_tabs.lib on line 78
> >
> > err.. alex, im assuming you know what this means :)?
>
> yes. that function:
> get_directory_names_array()
> is contained in the file whose line you commented out :)
>
> ---
>
> but the important question is, what are you getting the blank page?
> so:
>     -do you have binarycloud somewhere strange (like
/docroot/foo/index.php)
> in your tree?
>     -have you noticed that you are actually getting an infinite loop, and
> your url is something like:
>     http://example/place/index.php?rd=/index.php&rd=index.php etc?
>
> give me as much info as you can.
>
> _a
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> alex black, ceo
> en...@tu...
>
> the turing studio, inc.
> http://www.turingstudio.com
>
> vox+510.666.0074
> fax+510.666.0093
>
>
>
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>
>

Re: [binarycloud-dev] blank page with binarycloud r1

[alex b. <en...@tu...>]

> 'htdocs' for bc is located at /web/bc/, binarycloud is at
> /include/binarycloud/. i get what i get when i go to http://binarycloud/,
> same when i add index.php, no loops as far as i can see... thats pretty
much
> all i can think about.

Ah, so you are running a virtualhost, cool.
Do you have any special directives in the vhost?
what about a .htaccess in a higher-level directory?

are you using your own php.ini or the binarycluod distro php.ini?

> virtualhost is straight from your site (with paths changed), except that i
> use the local ip address for the virtualhost. apache is running as
> nobody.nobody and the files are owned by the server.

hmm, that sounds right...

_a

Re: [binarycloud-dev] blank page with binarycloud r1

[Spiggy T. <th...@me...>]

> Ah, so you are running a virtualhost, cool.
> Do you have any special directives in the vhost?
> what about a .htaccess in a higher-level directory?

i havent created a single .htaccess file anywhere. httpd.conf is basic
except for the virtualhosts. are there any apache modules that should be
avoided? or that prevent bc from working correctly?

> are you using your own php.ini or the binarycluod distro php.ini?

i had my own but i tried the distro version too. i had to change mm to files
(session_save_path). but this should not make any difference as far as i can
see.

all the directives in the virtualhost definitions do not have to be
duplicated in php.ini.. right?

still a blank page.

Re: [binarycloud-dev] blank page with binarycloud r1

[Alex B. <en...@tu...>]

>> Ah, so you are running a virtualhost, cool.
>> Do you have any special directives in the vhost?
>> what about a .htaccess in a higher-level directory?
> 
> i havent created a single .htaccess file anywhere. httpd.conf is basic
> except for the virtualhosts. are there any apache modules that should be
> avoided? or that prevent bc from working correctly?
> 
>> are you using your own php.ini or the binarycluod distro php.ini?
> 
> i had my own but i tried the distro version too. i had to change mm to files
> (session_save_path). but this should not make any difference as far as i can
> see.
> 
> all the directives in the virtualhost definitions do not have to be
> duplicated in php.ini.. right?
> 
> still a blank page.

ag! you're doing everything right :)

hmm...

double check:
php_value allow_call_time_pass_by_reference 1

use the distro php.ini (with your modification mm->files)

comment out session_start() in /path/to/htdocs/index.php

...

_a


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[binarycloud-dev] Re: functioning download available

[W.D.Sumilang <wa...@on...>]

Hello:
All's tested well on win95/apache1.3.12/php4.0.4pl1 with TAO's patch...
anxiously awaiting future releases! can't wait to start coding some modules.

Thanx Alex... cheers,
W.D.

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Re: [binarycloud-dev] Re: functioning download available

[Alex B. <en...@tu...>]

> Hello:
> All's tested well on win95/apache1.3.12/php4.0.4pl1 with TAO's patch...
> anxiously awaiting future releases! can't wait to start coding some modules.

good good.

actually, this win32 stuff beings up an interesting point.... later on
you'll start to see some fairly "deep" integration of the whole process with
makefiles, and those makefiles will be php, intended for use from a command
line.

does anyone have any experience using php scripts from a dos command line?
I'm sure its possible, but it's probably a little strange.

and along those lines, a number of the tools we have and will provide are
quite *nix specific (shell scripts, etc).

what are people's thoughts on this?



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[binarycloud-dev] coding standards

[Spiggy T. <th...@me...>]

this is slightly off topic... but my boss and i disagree on the "preferred"
coding style. he is an asp-guy and i am for php so maybe that makes
adifference.. ill let you decide since i am hardly the expert:

we have an asp application in use at work.. it uses a lot of
document.write"<table><tr><td>some data here</td></tr></table>" type of
coding, which works like the php echo (as far as i can understand). i dont
like this style at all, it makes the code hard to read.. (plus playing with
the quotes is a serious pain in the rear end). then in the code there is a
part where the programmer actually did it "my way" which means close code
tags and do html as plain html and open code tags when theres code to spit
out. my boss says this is bad and slows it down.

so which way is faster? i know echoing html is considered bad coding style
(at least with php)

paivi

Re: [binarycloud-dev] coding standards

[alex b. <en...@tu...>]

dude, good nick.
onwards..

> this is slightly off topic... but my boss and i disagree on the
"preferred"
> coding style. he is an asp-guy and i am for php so maybe that makes
> adifference.. ill let you decide since i am hardly the expert:

I will refrain from the, uh, comparison (for the moment)

> we have an asp application in use at work.. it uses a lot of
> document.write"<table><tr><td>some data here</td></tr></table>" type of
> coding, which works like the php echo (as far as i can understand). i dont
AGH!

> like this style at all, it makes the code hard to read.. (plus playing
with
> the quotes is a serious pain in the rear end). then in the code there is a
> part where the programmer actually did it "my way" which means close code
> tags and do html as plain html and open code tags when theres code to spit
> out. my boss says this is bad and slows it down.
> so which way is faster? i know echoing html is considered bad coding style
> (at least with php)

There's probably, oh, _maybe_ 0.0001 seconds difference in a fairly large
application between closing tags and "echo".

One of the reasons echo is _specifically_ mentioned in the binarycloud code
standards is because it effectively makes the code useless.

Why? well, if I want to integrate your code with all your echos into my
site, but I want to _change_ the look of your application, I am now screwed.
If you had separate template files, I could just make new copies of those
and be on my merry way.

The reason I am so rabidly in favor of xslt is because it is a fully xml
compliant way of cleanly abstracting presentation from logic. This is a huge
boon to any project for a number of reasons, not least of which that the
code is maintainable, and you can make multiple stylesheets for the same
collection of data. And your code starts to be elegant. You start to enjoy
it... wheeee

so, your boss is wrong :)

the best thing you can do is generate xml from your application and run it
through xsl, but if you're not willing to do that at least separate your
markup from your logic.

_alex

Re: [binarycloud-dev] coding standards

[Curtis C. <c_c...@ya...>]

I concur with regard to the echo statements in the
code. I wrote a small database application in PHP with
a lot of if-then statements, and echo, print
statements. If I want to change the way each form of
the application looks, I have to go into the code and
change all the echo/print statements.

I am currently working on a OOP version of the same
system and I am going to try to have it dump the data
into XML and use XLST to transform it, but I'll be
swimming below water for a couple of weeks before I
figure it out.

Anyways, echo statements pretty much ruin web gui
code, as far as I'm concerned.

Thanks,
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Re: [binarycloud-dev] coding standards

[alex b. <en...@tu...>]

> I concur with regard to the echo statements in the
> code. I wrote a small database application in PHP with
> a lot of if-then statements, and echo, print
> statements. If I want to change the way each form of
> the application looks, I have to go into the code and
> change all the echo/print statements.

And that's the rub.


> I am currently working on a OOP version of the same
> system and I am going to try to have it dump the data
> into XML and use XLST to transform it, but I'll be
> swimming below water for a couple of weeks before I
> figure it out.

You're welcome to use that "example" xsl/xml I posted, I've tested it and it
works quite well.
Part of r2 will be a complete xslt library of form elements and basic
form+list templates.

Also, if you have any problems with xslt/etc post 'em here and I'm glad to
answer what I can.

> Anyways, echo statements pretty much ruin web gui
> code, as far as I'm concerned.

well said.

_a

Re: [binarycloud-dev] coding standards

[Curtis C. <c_c...@ya...>]

> You're welcome to use that "example" xsl/xml I
> posted, I've tested it and it
> works quite well.
> Part of r2 will be a complete xslt library of form
> elements and basic
> form+list templates.

I will definitely be using binarycloud as code and as
examples.

Thanks for the help.
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Re: [binarycloud-dev] coding standards

[Peter B. <re...@f2...>]

At 08:57 PM 5/23/01 -0400, you wrote:
>we have an asp application in use at work.. it uses a lot of
>document.write"<table><tr><td>some data here</td></tr></table>" type of
>coding, which works like the php echo (as far as i can understand). i dont
>like this style at all, it makes the code hard to read.. (plus playing with
>the quotes is a serious pain in the rear end). then in the code there is a
>part where the programmer actually did it "my way" which means close code
>tags and do html as plain html and open code tags when theres code to spit
>out. my boss says this is bad and slows it down.

Well according to the article at 
http://www.newbienetwork.net/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=15 tests 
have shown inline HTML to be twice as fast as using echo().  No results 
given to back it up though...

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Re: [binarycloud-dev] coding standards

[Monte O. <mo...@is...>]

I asked Andrei here (PHP core developer) about this speed issue. He
seems to think that echo should be marginally faster than breaking in
and out of the HTML inline. He thinks this example is too short for a
fair speed test (probably some state switching setup on the first time
that won't happen on subsequent switches?), an atypical scenario. This
is an extremely marginal difference, hardly a concern.

Peter Bowyer wrote:
> 
> At 08:57 PM 5/23/01 -0400, you wrote:
> >we have an asp application in use at work.. it uses a lot of
> >document.write"<table><tr><td>some data here</td></tr></table>" type of
> >coding, which works like the php echo (as far as i can understand). i dont
> >like this style at all, it makes the code hard to read.. (plus playing with
> >the quotes is a serious pain in the rear end). then in the code there is a
> >part where the programmer actually did it "my way" which means close code
> >tags and do html as plain html and open code tags when theres code to spit
> >out. my boss says this is bad and slows it down.
> 
> Well according to the article at
> http://www.newbienetwork.net/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=15 tests
> have shown inline HTML to be twice as fast as using echo().  No results
> given to back it up though...
> 
> Peter.
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