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[binarycloud-dev] FW: GroupIT Engine

[Alex B. <en...@tu...>]

interwwesting

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> To: <sit...@ro...>
> Subject: GroupIT Engine
> 
> I just saw this on http://newsforge.com/ - any opinions/remarks?
> 
> Vastly improved Web site content management engine for PHP released
> Thursday June 28, 07:21 PM EDT    [ Press Releases ]
> LinuxPR: "Digital Spinner, a web design and development company,
> announced today the fourth release candidate of the GroupIT Engine, a
> PHP-based content management and group collaboration system capable
> of powering the next generation of web sites, intranets and
> extranets. Notable new features include an improved installation
> script, dynamic questionnaires, a re-designed default theme and a
> suite of management conveniences. The entire source code for the
> GroupIT Engine is available for download at http://www.groupit.org."

RE: [binarycloud-dev] FW: GroupIT Engine

[Jimmy H. <ji...@ha...>]

Alex,

Will BC be as cool as GroupIT? I just saw their sample site thumbnails
and it looks nice (of course it's just 'looks') hehe

Come on alex I need BC! :)


Ohh btw you are not going to sell BC like GroupIT are you? I hope not
hehe
cheers

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> Subject: [binarycloud-dev] FW: GroupIT Engine
> 
> 
> interwwesting
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> --
> alex black, ceo
> en...@tu...
> 
> the turing studio, inc.
> http://www.turingstudio.com
> 
> vox+510.666.0074
> fax+510.666.0093
> 

Re: [binarycloud-dev] FW: GroupIT Engine

[alex b. <en...@tu...>]

> Alex,
>
> Will BC be as cool as GroupIT? I just saw their sample site thumbnails
> and it looks nice (of course it's just 'looks') hehe

for the moment I will not blare loudly this, but: yes.

> Come on alex I need BC! :)

all in good time, I want this second one to really be the shit :)

> Ohh btw you are not going to sell BC like GroupIT are you? I hope not
> hehe


God no, but I will use it in projects for my company, for obvious reasons :)

_alex





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Re: [binarycloud-dev] FW: GroupIT Engine

[Justin F. <je...@ey...>]

Jimmy Harlindong wrote:
> 
> Alex,
> 
> Will BC be as cool as GroupIT? I just saw their sample site thumbnails
> and it looks nice (of course it's just 'looks') hehe
[== snip, snip ==]

For what it is worth, I have not looked in detail at this GroupIT.
One of my programmers, Jason Hines, has.  Jason is the author of
PhpWebLog and some other thingy's on sourceforge, is a genius
programmer in my estimation, and I trust his opinion.

Jason says that GroupIT is more of an application that is, indeed,
very slick, allows one to construct sites from a higher
abstraction level.  However, it is not what we want, namely
a kind of development environment that solves a lot of
common "problems".

Jason says that BC is (potentially) better for speeding up
development, code reuse, administration, Lego-izing the
world -- than GroupIT.  Maybe the way to describe this is
that GroupIT _may_ allow a secretary construct a slick
site, but it leaves everything a mess underneath.

Like I said, I have not looked personally at GroupIT.
From what I did see, and Jason's perusal, the vision
and concept of BC is far more attractive than GroupIT
for those people that want to be able to construct
_many_ sites reliably and quickly and have what is left
underneath reusable and easy to administrate.

_jef
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RE: [binarycloud-dev] FW: GroupIT Engine

[Andreas A. <a.a...@th...>]

Agreed. GroupIT is more or less for applications of a specific category, as
PHPNuke, phpgroupware, phpwhatever are. BC is more flexible, the code more
reusable and more well planned, I think. Had a breif look over the code and
it looks like one of these applications that are not planned before coding.
You know, someone came up with an idea starting to code immediately and
giving the best shot modifieing and extending at will while the application
grows. No real concept before starting to code, no system design.
Well thats was my first impression when I looked over the code. But I have
to admitt that the code is much better than many other php stuff around (and
there is _very_ much jiberish around). BC is the best designed and coded php
"app" I've seen so far.

Andi


-----Original Message-----
Jimmy Harlindong wrote:
>
> Alex,
>
> Will BC be as cool as GroupIT? I just saw their sample site thumbnails
> and it looks nice (of course it's just 'looks') hehe
[== snip, snip ==]

...

Re: [binarycloud-dev] FW: GroupIT Engine

[jason <ja...@gr...>]

Andreas Aderhold wrote:
> BC is the best designed and coded php "app" I've seen so far.



This is true.  It all seems to start with extensive idea sharing prior
to any hacking.  Most new applications seems to be initiated by one
person for a specific need.  Coding begins, and that need is acquired
immediately.  Then as it grows, it becomes simply bloated and robust. 
As it's popularity increases, the more beastly it becomes to maintain. 
At least, this has been my experience with past projects of my own.

Speaking of good/bad code, take a look at Drupal some time
(www.drupal.org).  It's a PHP content management app with "beautiful"
design structure and modularity.  I learned quite a bit from this
project, namely "Less is More".

Jason

RE: [binarycloud-dev] FW: GroupIT Engine

[Andreas A. <a.a...@th...>]

Hi Jason,

>> BC is the best designed and coded php "app" I've seen so far.

> Speaking of good/bad code, take a look at Drupal some time
> (www.drupal.org).  It's a PHP content management app with "beautiful"
> design structure and modularity.  I learned quite a bit from this
> project, namely "Less is More".

Downloaded it today and had a breif look. Well designed and modular, looks
nice. But had not the time to inspect the code extenively.

andi

Re: [binarycloud-dev] FW: GroupIT Engine

[alex b. <en...@tu...>]

hey, they have cvs commit messages up on the site, that's cute :)

I'll download the code and have a look, but seems pretty nice.

_alex



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From: "Andreas Aderhold" <a.a...@th...>
To: <bin...@li...>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 6:35 AM
Subject: RE: [binarycloud-dev] FW: GroupIT Engine


> Hi Jason,
>
> >> BC is the best designed and coded php "app" I've seen so far.
>
> > Speaking of good/bad code, take a look at Drupal some time
> > (www.drupal.org).  It's a PHP content management app with "beautiful"
> > design structure and modularity.  I learned quite a bit from this
> > project, namely "Less is More".
>
> Downloaded it today and had a breif look. Well designed and modular, looks
> nice. But had not the time to inspect the code extenively.
>
> andi
>
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Re: [binarycloud-dev] FW: GroupIT Engine

[alex b. <en...@tu...>]

> Jason says that BC is (potentially) better for speeding up
> development, code reuse, administration, Lego-izing the
> world -- than GroupIT.  Maybe the way to describe this is
> that GroupIT _may_ allow a secretary construct a slick
> site, but it leaves everything a mess underneath.

Correct, though what I am potentially interested in pulling is
caching/php2html makes. A lot of the other stuff is probably not good, but
we won't use that :)

> Like I said, I have not looked personally at GroupIT.
> From what I did see, and Jason's perusal, the vision
> and concept of BC is far more attractive than GroupIT
> for those people that want to be able to construct
> _many_ sites reliably and quickly and have what is left
> underneath reusable and easy to administrate.

And, also, groupIT is an application, where binarycloud is a platform - but
it is nonetheless interesting as an application to pull pieces from.

_alex