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From: Faine, M. <Mar...@ms...> - 2001-07-10 12:38:55
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I'd like to replicate this functionality http://64.14.114.200/cademo/ <http://64.14.114.200/cademo/> with binary cloud? I'd also like to create a paycheck analysis tool, sort of like paycheckcity.com but better with more thorough analysis. My question is and I realize this is sort of an off topic post? I need to create 2001 Federal and State Tax tables, where would I get the data (in some kind of electronic format I could more easily import into mysql) and once I got it how in the world could it be regularly updated? At this point this is just pie in the sky ideas about some applications but you never know what might come out of just looking into an idea. -Mark |
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From: Justin F. <je...@ey...> - 2001-07-10 13:12:13
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Mark: We are in a building with a bunch of lawyers. One guy gets this stuff electronically from West Law, and/or Lexus, but you have to be a member. You can go to: http://directory.westlaw.com/directory/DIR47.asp?rs=WDIR1.0&vr=1.0 but unless you subscribe to this service, you ain't gonna get very far. West Law has been in business for decades and prints all those books/references you see in lawyers offices... _jef ----------------------- > "Faine, Mark" wrote: > > I'd like to replicate this functionality > http://64.14.114.200/cademo/ with binary cloud? > > I'd also like to create a paycheck analysis tool, sort of like > paycheckcity.com but better with more thorough analysis. > > My question is and I realize this is sort of an off topic post? > > I need to create 2001 Federal and State Tax tables, where would I get > the data (in some kind of electronic format I could more easily import > into mysql) and once I got it how in the world could it be regularly > updated? At this point this is just pie in the sky ideas about some > applications but you never know what might come out of just looking > into an idea. > > -Mark > > -- Justin Farnsworth Eye Integrated Communications 321 South Evans - Suite 203 Greenville, NC 27858 | Tel: (252) 353-0722 |
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From: Reini U. <ru...@x-...> - 2001-07-10 13:18:27
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Personally I would say that bc is too slow. "duck an run" :) no, really as long it doesn't cache dynamic pages... there are hundreds of similar and easier php cms systems. see the php faq. I also use ariadne (http://www.muze.nl/software/ariadne/), which is much faster, but has less features. > "Faine, Mark" schrieb: > I'd like to replicate this functionality http://64.14.114.200/cademo/ with > binary cloud? > > I'd also like to create a paycheck analysis tool, sort of like > paycheckcity.com but better with more thorough analysis. > > My question is and I realize this is sort of an off topic post? > > I need to create 2001 Federal and State Tax tables, where would I get the > data (in some kind of electronic format I could more easily import into > mysql) and once I got it how in the world could it be regularly updated? At > this point this is just pie in the sky ideas about some applications but you > never know what might come out of just looking into an idea. -- Reini Urban http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/ |
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From: Justin F. <je...@ey...> - 2001-07-10 13:55:35
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Reini: Oeeewah, you are stirring my ingrained paranoia. When I first started looking at BC, I thought, this Mother is really going to be slow, with all those file operations, certainly one per module. And the way I like to write tiny modules, I thought, ungh. So I am curious about your experience with speed and BC. Is there any data, even anecdotal, relative, to the other CMS/YATS/platforms? But, back to reality, I used to worry about squeezing 10 bites out of C programs on a Z-80 with 64K memory. So, I rationalize to myself, well, in a year our server will be 1.5 MHz and a 200 MHz FSB and 2 gigs of memory and everything will be resident the VM page set anyway... Even if BC is slow, I want it for its elegant features and I'll just forget about speed envy. _jef ---------------- Reini Urban wrote: > > Personally I would say that bc is too slow. "duck an run" :) > no, really as long it doesn't cache dynamic pages... > > there are hundreds of similar and easier php cms systems. > see the php faq. > > I also use ariadne (http://www.muze.nl/software/ariadne/), > which is much faster, but has less features. > > > "Faine, Mark" schrieb: > > I'd like to replicate this functionality http://64.14.114.200/cademo/ with > > binary cloud? > > > > I'd also like to create a paycheck analysis tool, sort of like > > paycheckcity.com but better with more thorough analysis. > > > > My question is and I realize this is sort of an off topic post? > > > > I need to create 2001 Federal and State Tax tables, where would I get the > > data (in some kind of electronic format I could more easily import into > > mysql) and once I got it how in the world could it be regularly updated? At > > this point this is just pie in the sky ideas about some applications but you > > never know what might come out of just looking into an idea. > -- > Reini Urban > http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/ > > _______________________________________________ > binarycloud-dev mailing list > bin...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev -- Justin Farnsworth Eye Integrated Communications 321 South Evans - Suite 203 Greenville, NC 27858 | Tel: (252) 353-0722 |
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From: Jimmy H. <ji...@ha...> - 2001-07-10 14:23:51
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Here they are, from ariadne: http://www.muze.nl/software/ariadne/docs/tutorials/newspaper.html OK we might not call it Newspaper but the idea is great and it is certainly used *most* frequently. |
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From: Peter B. <re...@f2...> - 2001-07-10 18:53:10
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At 03:49 PM 7/10/01 +0100, you wrote: >I really wanted to use common lisp or mod_perl (mason,embperl or axkit) >for my big e-commerce site i'm working on, but they cannot afford >server hosting for the beginning, so I cannot use mod_perl (nor >lisp/zope/jsp), >only php. And what's wrong with PHP? Admittedly I've never done any large scale development, so what is the reason for wishing to use something else? Thanks, Peter. -- In the beginning was the word, and the word was Content-type: text/plain. |
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From: Alby L. <al...@th...> - 2001-07-10 19:19:48
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As far as I understand, jsp/servlet architecture is a lot faster than perl/php/asp etc. Once the server engine interprets/compiles the script the code becomes cached and operates like a real compiled application, and less like a bunch of self referential scripts. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Bowyer" <re...@f2...> To: <bin...@li...> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [binarycloud-dev] capwiz > At 03:49 PM 7/10/01 +0100, you wrote: > >I really wanted to use common lisp or mod_perl (mason,embperl or axkit) > >for my big e-commerce site i'm working on, but they cannot afford > >server hosting for the beginning, so I cannot use mod_perl (nor > >lisp/zope/jsp), > >only php. > > And what's wrong with PHP? > > Admittedly I've never done any large scale development, so what is the > reason for wishing to use something else? > > Thanks, > Peter. > > -- > In the beginning was the word, > and the word was Content-type: text/plain. > > > _______________________________________________ > binarycloud-dev mailing list > bin...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev > |
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From: Alex B. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-10 19:38:21
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> As far as I understand, jsp/servlet architecture is a lot faster than > perl/php/asp etc. Once the server engine interprets/compiles the script the Reverse that, a lot _slower_. :) > code becomes cached and operates like a real compiled application, and less > like a bunch of self referential scripts. That is true, nonetheless, php is much faster. I can't remember specific bench numbers, but php is pretty much as high performance as it gets. _a > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Bowyer" <re...@f2...> > To: <bin...@li...> > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 2:47 PM > Subject: Re: [binarycloud-dev] capwiz > > >> At 03:49 PM 7/10/01 +0100, you wrote: >>> I really wanted to use common lisp or mod_perl (mason,embperl or axkit) >>> for my big e-commerce site i'm working on, but they cannot afford >>> server hosting for the beginning, so I cannot use mod_perl (nor >>> lisp/zope/jsp), >>> only php. >> >> And what's wrong with PHP? >> >> Admittedly I've never done any large scale development, so what is the >> reason for wishing to use something else? >> >> Thanks, >> Peter. >> >> -- >> In the beginning was the word, >> and the word was Content-type: text/plain. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> binarycloud-dev mailing list >> bin...@li... >> http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev >> > > > _______________________________________________ > binarycloud-dev mailing list > bin...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev > -- alex black, ceo en...@tu... the turing studio, inc. http://www.turingstudio.com vox+510.666.0074 fax+510.666.0093 |
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From: m b <bab...@ya...> - 2001-07-11 15:50:33
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I have to agree with alex on this. I've been working with 2 different systems. One, running NAS(netscape application server) 4.0, with all the servlets/EJB/JSP architecture mumbo-jumbo. And the other, running PHP4. It turns out that the NAS, having only served 20-customer have a CPU utilization of nearly 80% while the system running PHP4, only utilize about 25% of the CPU. And FYI, the NAS is hosted on a E10K server with a spec beyond this realm of existence, while the PHP system is hosted on a humble DELL Pentium III PC with only 256Mb Ram with a single CPU. Both system run more or less the same application. It turns out that for the NAS system, we have to incur additional cost to hire the so-called "NAS specialist" to identify the bottleneck and "optimize" further the system...puhhlleaassee...still they only managed to I can do way much better using PHP. The only good thing about using NAS is that you can have somebody else to blame for the crappy performance. --- Alex Black <en...@tu...> wrote: > > As far as I understand, jsp/servlet architecture > is a lot faster than > > perl/php/asp etc. Once the server engine > interprets/compiles the script the > > Reverse that, a lot _slower_. :) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ |
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From: Alex B. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-11 18:54:36
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> I have to agree with alex on this. > I've been working with 2 different systems. > One, running NAS(netscape application server) 4.0, > with all the servlets/EJB/JSP architecture > mumbo-jumbo. > And the other, running PHP4. > > It turns out that the NAS, having only served > 20-customer have a CPU utilization of nearly 80% > while the system running PHP4, only utilize about 25% > of the CPU. :) > And FYI, the NAS is hosted on a E10K server with a > spec beyond this realm of existence, while the PHP > system is hosted on a humble DELL Pentium III PC with > only 256Mb Ram with a single CPU. :) I love php :) > Both system run more or less the same application. > It turns out that for the NAS system, we have to incur > additional cost to hire the so-called "NAS specialist" > to identify the bottleneck and "optimize" further the > system...puhhlleaassee...still they only managed to heh. > I can do way much better using PHP. The only good > thing about using NAS is that you can have somebody > else to blame for the crappy performance. Yes! I was involved with a project using jrun a while ago, not only was it buggy (lots of padding at the top and bottom of every file, or it would crash, no double-byte chars, etc etc) it was a pain in the a** to work with. Of everything I've worked with, php is both the fastest and most efficient. of course, because it doesn't force any structure, it's easy to write spaghetti if you're not thinking about it. (problem solved :) _a -- alex black, ceo en...@tu... the turing studio, inc. http://www.turingstudio.com vox+510.666.0074 fax+510.666.0093 |
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From: Reini U. <ru...@x-...> - 2001-07-10 20:03:43
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Alby Lash schrieb: > As far as I understand, jsp/servlet architecture is a lot faster than > perl/php/asp etc. Once the server engine interprets/compiles the script the > code becomes cached and operates like a real compiled application, and less > like a bunch of self referential scripts. mod_perl Apache::Registry does this also; and is closer to the apache API. (sockets vs direct in-proc calls) nevertheless good JSP engines (resin http://www.caucho.com/products/resin/) are still faster, because the optimizing java compiler can do better than the php or perl compiler. but i'll never do any java, I'll rather kill my time with php than with java. And I still don't trust the java memory management, similar to mswindows memory management, which makes it "hard" to run on production servers, esp with 1000's of vhosts. (even though it still does only sockets). BTW: mod_lisp is similar to jsp/servlets. resin just has a better code and template caching scheme than mod_lisp, which has none yet. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Bowyer" <re...@f2...> > To: <bin...@li...> > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 2:47 PM > Subject: Re: [binarycloud-dev] capwiz > > > At 03:49 PM 7/10/01 +0100, you wrote: > > >I really wanted to use common lisp or mod_perl (mason,embperl or axkit) > > >for my big e-commerce site i'm working on, but they cannot afford > > >server hosting for the beginning, so I cannot use mod_perl (nor > > >lisp/zope/jsp), > > >only php. > > > > And what's wrong with PHP? > > > > Admittedly I've never done any large scale development, so what is the > > reason for wishing to use something else? |
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From: Jimmy H. <ji...@ha...> - 2001-07-10 14:18:52
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Reini, > I also use ariadne (http://www.muze.nl/software/ariadne/), > which is much faster, but has less features. Just out of curiosity, why are you looking around for other system.... Particularly binarycloud? I had a look at ariadne and at a glance it looks good too :) I am new with BC... Don't know what to do now you've made me confused again Any comments from you or someone else? Justin or alex? |
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From: Alex B. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-10 18:10:23
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> Just out of curiosity, why are you looking around for other system.... > Particularly binarycloud? > I had a look at ariadne and at a glance it looks good too :) I am new > with BC... Don't know what to do now you've made me confused again > > Any comments from you or someone else? Justin or alex? I had a look at adriane when I was thinking about bulding bc - it's nicely done, but simple and quite small. Reini seems to think that bc was a CMS, which is funny, but it certainly isn't that. I expect to have CMS modules that work within the system, but the system itself is a generalized set of advanced development tools. At the same time, this is not for the lazy, there are requirements for writing code. The idea behind binarycloud is to allow developers to create abstracted, reusable component applications which can be plugged into the system and used immediately. I know of no other system that allows that sort of flexibility in the real world. (there are plenty of systems that allow plugging modules, but they are filled with echos for html, which makes the useless, etc etc. _alex -- alex black, ceo en...@tu... the turing studio, inc. http://www.turingstudio.com vox+510.666.0074 fax+510.666.0093 |
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From: Alex B. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-10 18:04:12
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> Personally I would say that bc is too slow. "duck an run" :) > no, really as long it doesn't cache dynamic pages... A caching system is quite easy to implement, we'll probably use PEAR_Cache. I'll likely implement a hook in Page to do this at a later date. > there are hundreds of similar and easier php cms systems. > see the php faq. If you think bc is a CMS, then you haven't been paying attention :) If you look at that url, it's an interface to a fairly extensive DB - it isn't a set of articles or soemthing small scale. As far as pure speed goes, so far I'm benching at under a 10th of a second? _a -- alex black, ceo en...@tu... the turing studio, inc. http://www.turingstudio.com vox+510.666.0074 fax+510.666.0093 |
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From: Jimmy H. <ji...@ha...> - 2001-07-10 14:00:41
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Hi, Say I have index.php and news.php Should I use two master template or two layouts? Regards, Jimmy |
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From: Alex B. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-10 18:02:09
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> Hi, > > Say I have index.php and news.php > Should I use two master template or two layouts? Probably two layouts, assuming you want to have shared navigation, a log, etc on both pages. _a -- alex black, ceo en...@tu... the turing studio, inc. http://www.turingstudio.com vox+510.666.0074 fax+510.666.0093 |
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From: Reini U. <ru...@x-...> - 2001-07-10 14:47:11
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Justin Farnsworth schrieb: > Oeeewah, you are stirring my ingrained paranoia. When I first > started looking at BC, I thought, this Mother is > really going to be slow, with all those file operations, > certainly one per module. And the way I like to write > tiny modules, I thought, ungh. > > So I am curious about your experience with speed > and BC. Is there any data, even anecdotal, relative, > to the other CMS/YATS/platforms? I really wanted to use common lisp or mod_perl (mason,embperl or axkit) for my big e-commerce site i'm working on, but they cannot afford server hosting for the beginning, so I cannot use mod_perl (nor lisp/zope/jsp), only php. ok, for PHP I found these two best: BS and ariadne BC has the best layout so far. and a lot of useful admin modules. and I don't like Ariadne's interface that much. BC already has more modules and a similar structure. only that BC is really slow compared to my phpwiki, which serves the pages from mysql with a lot of dynamic pcre translations, and compared to ariadne which uses a clever caching scheme (precalculated object inheritance and stored static pages). ariadne has a very sexy DHTML htmleditor included (IE only) which might be a good seller for getting advanced users attracted, instead of bc's features which certainly gets admins attracted :) > But, back to reality, I used to worry about squeezing > 10 bites out of C programs on a Z-80 with 64K memory. > So, I rationalize to myself, well, in a year our server > will be 1.5 MHz and a 200 MHz FSB and 2 gigs of memory > and everything will be resident the VM page set anyway... it's only the megs and file io, but i'm already using reiserfs and it's still quite slow for my taste. > Even if BC is slow, I want it for its elegant > features and I'll just forget about speed envy. true. i'm just testing and still evaluating both... -- Reini Urban http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/ |
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From: Alex B. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-10 18:26:18
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> Justin Farnsworth schrieb: >> Oeeewah, you are stirring my ingrained paranoia. When I first >> started looking at BC, I thought, this Mother is >> really going to be slow, with all those file operations, >> certainly one per module. And the way I like to write >> tiny modules, I thought, ungh. >> >> So I am curious about your experience with speed >> and BC. Is there any data, even anecdotal, relative, >> to the other CMS/YATS/platforms? > > I really wanted to use common lisp or mod_perl (mason,embperl or axkit) > for my big e-commerce site i'm working on, but they cannot afford > server hosting for the beginning, so I cannot use mod_perl (nor > lisp/zope/jsp), > only php. heh. have you used jsp in production? > ok, for PHP I found these two best: BS and ariadne > BC has the best layout so far. and a lot of useful admin modules. > and I don't like Ariadne's interface that much. BC already has more modules > and > a similar structure. > only that BC is really slow compared to my phpwiki, > which serves the pages from mysql with a lot of dynamic pcre translations, > and compared to ariadne which uses a clever caching scheme > (precalculated object inheritance and stored static pages). Of course it is! That's like comparing: echo "hello, world"; to the entire contents of PHPLIB! ---- My render target for non-auth pages is ~10th of a second. With caching we can cut that by a fifth for 'static' pages. it is underalistic to expect that binarycloud will have the same performance as a simple, small application like PHPWiki. I like phpWiki, but one would use its functionality within a module, not do a comparison of the two systems. when was the last time you comparison shopped for a car, and compared it to a bicycle? If your only requirement for a vehicle is that you can get it on the subway, then of course the bike wins. But if you want to do 60 with air conditioning, a cd playing, three passengers and a horn - you need a car. > ariadne has a very sexy DHTML htmleditor included (IE only) which might > be a good seller for getting advanced users attracted, instead of bc's > features > which certainly gets admins attracted :) Actually, I have posted a "very sexy" dhtml editor to this list, which will likely be integrated into a CMS module. It allows visual editing of fairly complex documents, and html source. best, _alex -- alex black, ceo en...@tu... the turing studio, inc. http://www.turingstudio.com vox+510.666.0074 fax+510.666.0093 |
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From: Reini U. <ru...@x-...> - 2001-07-10 19:16:00
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Alex Black schrieb: > > I really wanted to use common lisp or mod_perl (mason,embperl or axkit) > > for my big e-commerce site i'm working on, but they cannot afford > > server hosting for the beginning, so I cannot use mod_perl (nor > > lisp/zope/jsp), only php. > > heh. > > have you used jsp in production? no. i'm more into lisp and perl and try to avoid c++/java/delphi as much as possible. > > ok, for PHP I found these two best: BS and ariadne > > BC has the best layout so far. and a lot of useful admin modules. > > and I don't like Ariadne's interface that much. BC already has more modules > > and a similar structure. > > only that BC is really slow compared to my phpwiki, > > which serves the pages from mysql with a lot of dynamic pcre translations, > > and compared to ariadne which uses a clever caching scheme > > (precalculated object inheritance and stored static pages). > > Of course it is! > That's like comparing: > echo "hello, world"; > to the entire contents of PHPLIB! indead. > My render target for non-auth pages is ~10th of a second. With caching we > can cut that by a fifth for 'static' pages. > it is unrealistic to expect that binarycloud will have the same performance > as a simple, small application like PHPWiki. > > I like phpWiki, but one would use its functionality within a module, not do > a comparison of the two systems. yes, that was an idea to do at a later stage. like the zope wiki as zope module. people love to play in wikis. phpwki is terribly unorganized now. and i wanted to abstract out the db and add user preferences. which would be much better with a more abstract framework like bc's. > > ariadne has a very sexy DHTML htmleditor included (IE only) which might > > be a good seller for getting advanced users attracted, instead of bc's > > features which certainly gets admins attracted :) > > Actually, I have posted a "very sexy" dhtml editor to this list, which will > likely be integrated into a CMS module. :) -- Reini Urban http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/ |
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From: Alex B. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-10 18:35:28
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hi all, have a look at this zip.. it's that editor I just spoke of. This allows anyone to edit 'simple' html documents - for content authors, etc. you need IE 5.5+ to use it. best, _alex |
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From: Jimmy H. <ji...@ha...> - 2001-07-10 23:33:54
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Alex, It's very nice! I am sure you realise that we need to make the button toggle state visible (e.g. bold or normal) otherwise it's going to confuse some people whom we target this interface for.. Also I am very interested to know the fact that it allows me to insert picture.... How can it be uploaded...? If you checked out some "message board" you see they have a "BB Tags" e.g. [b]....[/b] and they simply convert < and > into html entities to prevent people from messing with the html. With this editor I think we should run the input through a filter to get rid of any html tags other than the ones provided through the toolbar buttons. And this can be made optional with a param, so it would be possible to let the user to type any html. Regards, Jimmy |
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From: jason <ja...@gr...> - 2001-07-11 03:01:19
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An option would be good here so that a user can _save as file_ to any document, or post safe code locally to browse. Jimmy Harlindong wrote: > With this editor I think we should run the input through a filter to get > rid of any html tags other than the ones provided through the toolbar > buttons. And this can be made optional with a param, so it would be > possible to let the user to type any html. |
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From: alex b. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-11 03:41:43
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> An option would be good here so that a user can _save as file_ to any > document, or post safe code locally to browse. -can't save to a file -posting locally requies back-end, which will exist. this is merely a component to be plugged into a larger system. it will be supported by some pretty beefy libs. _a > Jimmy Harlindong wrote: > > With this editor I think we should run the input through a filter to get > > rid of any html tags other than the ones provided through the toolbar > > buttons. And this can be made optional with a param, so it would be > > possible to let the user to type any html. correct :) |
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From: Jimmy H. <ji...@ha...> - 2001-07-18 07:45:48
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Alex, if you haven't already done so, please have a look at hotmail's editor. Pretty nice! |
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From: Alex B. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-10 17:58:16
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> I'd like to replicate this functionality http://64.14.114.200/cademo/ > <http://64.14.114.200/cademo/> with binary cloud? Cool, bunch of modules :) > I'd also like to create a paycheck analysis tool, sort of like > paycheckcity.com but better with more thorough analysis. Cool. > My question is and I realize this is sort of an off topic post? > > I need to create 2001 Federal and State Tax tables, where would I get the > data (in some kind of electronic format I could more easily import into > mysql) and once I got it how in the world could it be regularly updated? At > this point this is just pie in the sky ideas about some applications but you > never know what might come out of just looking into an idea. I don't know where you can get tax tables, though I am certain someone sells them specifically for import into sql DBs.. of course everything you just mentioned is entirely doable with bc, even the current version of r2 :) _a -- alex black, ceo en...@tu... the turing studio, inc. http://www.turingstudio.com vox+510.666.0074 fax+510.666.0093 |
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