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From: <bin...@li...> - 2001-10-09 15:51:54
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Yea, I noticed that as well. If you all don't sign your mails with a full name I will never learn who everyone is! The maiol headers certainly don't leave a clue. Dave On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 11:14:28AM +0100, bin...@li... wrote: > Hi, > > The from address is suddenly appearing as > bin...@li.... Alex, is there any way you > can change this back to the old setting, as it means I have to read every > email to see who it comes from :-( > > If not, you may want o look at http://freelists.org - they are brilliant! > > Cheers! > Peter. > > -- > Maple Design - web design, custom programming. No job too small. > And ridiculously low prices! > http://www.mapledesign.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > binarycloud-dev mailing list > bin...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev > http://www.binarycloud.com > http://www.sf.net/projects/binarycloud/ -- My other computer is your Windows machine... |
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From: <bin...@li...> - 2001-10-09 15:11:42
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Hi All, i'm currently implementing the BccHrefCompiler. What do you think about this format: <bc:href> <!-- the link itself, required --> <href>/archive/mp3/any_document.mp3</href> <!-- the content, can be image, string (see blow), required --> <content>Testlink</content> <!-- internal link = usedocroot default/optional --> <internal>true</internal> <!-- only used if internal equals false default/optional --> <protocol>http</protocol> <!- these are translated 1:1, optional--> <attributes> <target>_BLANK</target> <onmouseover>popup()</onmouseover> <onmouseout>popdown()</onmouseout> </attributes> </bc:href> With images from repository: <bc:href> <href>/test.php</href> <content> <bc:img> <id>bcFire</id> </bc:img> </content> </bc:href> With language strings: <bc:href> <href>/test.php</href> <content> <bc:string> <id>desc.mp3link</id> </bc:string> </content> </bc:href> Using markup: <bc:href> <href>/test.php</href> <content> <bc:markup> <img src="hello.gif"> <br>A Link<br> </bc:markup> </content> </bc:href> Alternatively, using the UrlRepository where all the tags can also be present (bc:image, bc:markup etc): <bc:href> <id>href.menu.home</id> </bc:href> The prefered method would be to use the url repository throughout (promotes readbility and administration), but nevertheless if <id> is not present it's assumed as a direct entry (no repository lookup). Andi |
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From: <bin...@li...> - 2001-10-09 14:27:41
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> Initial Comment: > see user/bcdev/lang/StringRepository.lang.xml > Need mappings in xml2php for this format. > and pear. Hi, I hope I can do it this or next weekend. Andris |
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From: <bin...@li...> - 2001-10-09 14:24:54
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> Initial Comment: > see user/bcdev/lang/StringRepository.lang.xml > Need mappings in xml2php for this format. > and pear. Hi, I hope I can do it this weekend. Andris |
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From: <bin...@li...> - 2001-10-09 13:34:13
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Hi All, I've done a very simple ant build file for binarycloud to see how things work. It's not very complex as I played around only for an hour or so. It currently does make only the binarycloud core stuff in given languages (the language thing is not well done, see build.sh) but it should give you an idea how it works. I also listed the packaged file by hand for illustration purposes - this can be done more flexible and with less code and admin overhead using patterns, conditions etc. To test things out you need a properly installed ant (see other mail on this topic). Copy build.sh build.xml to r2/binarycloud/ chmod +x build.sh and execute, or call "sh build.sh" and see what happens (the build goes to "./testbuild). Andi |
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From: <bin...@li...> - 2001-10-09 11:32:53
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Hi, >> Not really, at least under unix like systems. But much >> people develop and set up complete dev system on >> windows, so I think they don't want to mess around >> with cygwin. > Here Here! I still haven't got BC working as I > haven't managed (can't be bothered) to install > cygwin - heck, it'd take me ~5 hours just to > download the cygwin components! Uhh. But that's the point from business side. Most companies do have a windows based devel infrastructure, maybe a unix server somewhere to test things - but devel platform is win. For those the system must work almost instantly without much trouble, additional downloads, configuration to be considerable for bigger companies and people wether have no unix experience or no unix available. The only way to achive this while still remaining language consistent: A *completely* PHP based build tool. Andi |
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From: <bin...@li...> - 2001-10-09 10:55:04
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Hi Dave, >> But not out of line (if i've understood the term right in >> sense of "my >> opinion does not matter", i'm not a native speaker). > I was only remarking that I may be speaking on a subject > already covered in depth. Ah, got it. >> But what sablot concerns, what does not work with your setup ? >That would be off-topic, but I have issues with the >Sablot build and iconv.h, It's a FreeBSD issue, but frustrating >non the less. I had a strange iconv.h problem too, compiling sablot with Mandrake Linux. But I sencierly do not remeber how I fixed it :( I'm not sure but I think I installed all compiler and development packages as well as the latest glibc. I guess that does not help you ;-) > No I don't, just with Tomcat, which didn't install out of > the box as they claimed. Not a big deal, we all expect it > with new software. Just noting that one more addition to > the build process will not likely make life > easier. More often it makes things more complicated. That's right. Just another off-topic: I had enough of Tomcat and just picked resin (http://www.caucho.com/download/). That acutally worked out-of the box! Best, Andi |
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From: <bin...@li...> - 2001-10-09 10:33:28
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Hi Alex, I've looked around if something similar exists out there (a php based build tool). But I've fond nothing. There are plenty of preprocessors and tools based on C but even within those nothing that reaches ant. I'd also a brief look over the ant source. God, more files than ants in a ant-hill ;-) I'll have a detailed look today. My idea is to more or less port ant to php. So that in the far future both systems at least behave equally. And additionally ours is better. Andi > I mean generate "phpant"-code that does not depend on > binarycloud (even if this is a greater effort). I'm sure > such a system is > also useful for other people doing development in php. > >--------- (from andi) > >I completely agree. I was thinking about doing that >with the current make, but hadn't mentioned it >because we're moving along building the second gen >stuff... > >but I agree: if we're going to do it we might as well make it a >separate project and do it properly. :) > |
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From: <bin...@li...> - 2001-10-09 10:16:10
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At 03:54 PM 10/9/01 +0800, you wrote: >Alex has already made a list for cygwin.... >it just like 7.xMB in total......... 1.5-2 hours for me (still running a 33.6kb modem on a bad phone line...) not as bad as I thought :-) Peter. ---oOo--- sendcard - *The* PHP e-card solution http://www.sendcard.f2s.com/ ---oOo--- |
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From: <bin...@li...> - 2001-10-09 10:15:33
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Hi, The from address is suddenly appearing as bin...@li.... Alex, is there any way you can change this back to the old setting, as it means I have to read every email to see who it comes from :-( If not, you may want o look at http://freelists.org - they are brilliant! Cheers! Peter. -- Maple Design - web design, custom programming. No job too small. And ridiculously low prices! http://www.mapledesign.co.uk |
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From: <bin...@li...> - 2001-10-09 09:42:38
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Hi Anonymous, >right now we have multi-site support and stuff, Not quite, but soon. >I wonder if BC supports something similar to other >apps server. Oh. Binarycloud is not comparable to an application server. It's an application framework. Basically think of it as a set of tools and rules that makes web development easier. In fact it's much more than that. But it's not an app server. >Let say, I have the same application across 3 servers >that will load balance each other and have access to 3 >redundant DB server. > >Can BC manage this configuration gracefully? Just a >thought. Load balancing will be the job of apache and the dbms. So yes, binarycloud manages it "indirectly" :) Andi |
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From: <bin...@li...> - 2001-10-09 07:54:47
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>At 08:47 PM 10/8/01 +0200, you wrote: >>Not really, at least under unix like systems. But much people develop and >>set up complete dev system on windows, so I think they don't want to mess >>around with cygwin. > >Here Here! I still haven't got BC working as I haven't managed (can't be >bothered) to install cygwin - heck, it'd take me ~5 hours just to download >the cygwin components! Alex has already made a list for cygwin.... it just like 7.xMB in total......... roni > >Peter. > >-- >Maple Design - web design, custom programming. No job too small. >And ridiculously low prices! >http://www.mapledesign.co.uk > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp |
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From: <bin...@li...> - 2001-10-09 07:40:27
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> More that gracefully, it was specifically designed > for such an environment. > heh..cool. Can you give a general guidelines, on how to perform such task using BC? just a simple example will do. I'm still in the dark on how BC does this. thanks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 |
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From: <bin...@li...> - 2001-10-09 07:32:48
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At 08:47 PM 10/8/01 +0200, you wrote: >Not really, at least under unix like systems. But much people develop and >set up complete dev system on windows, so I think they don't want to mess >around with cygwin. Here Here! I still haven't got BC working as I haven't managed (can't be bothered) to install cygwin - heck, it'd take me ~5 hours just to download the cygwin components! Peter. -- Maple Design - web design, custom programming. No job too small. And ridiculously low prices! http://www.mapledesign.co.uk |
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From: <bin...@li...> - 2001-10-09 04:25:53
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>>Yep, I prefer that over all. But if we do so, we should make this system bc independent. I mean generate "phpant"-code that does not depend on binarycloud (even if this is a greater effort). I'm sure such a system is also useful for other people doing development in php. --------- (from andi) I completely agree. I was thinking about doing that with the current make, but hadn't mentioned it because we're moving along building the second gen stuff... but I agree: if we're going to do it we might as well make it a separate project and do it properly. :) _alex |
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From: <bin...@li...> - 2001-10-09 03:14:15
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> hi..i've a few question on BC. > > right now we have multi-site support and stuff, > > I wonder if BC supports something similar to other > apps server. > > Let say, I have the same application across 3 servers > that will load balance each other and have access to 3 > redundant DB server. > > Can BC manage this configuration gracefully? Just a > thought. More that gracefully, it was specifically designed for such an environment. Even the ag-ed r1 was designed for such an environment, so you will not have a problem running any of this stuff on as large a cluster as you need, and load balancing works just groovy on a binarycloud install. In the near term, we will also support 'multi site' make capabilities which will allow you to conveniently store your be projects within one source tree, and configure the make process for each site separately. In any case, you will not have a problem running a load balanced install with binarycloud... I recommend the load balancer from Coyote Point if you need one: http://www.coyotepoint.com/ :) _alex |
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From: <bin...@li...> - 2001-10-09 03:09:36
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>Yes, the need to have a PHP binary in order to install BC. Having always >used PHP as a module I actually forgot how to make a standalone PHP! > >I understand now the issue, Windows users have no access to GNU tools for >the build process. In that sense I understand the need now for a build >system not requiring Makefiles. acutally the current make system work very fine under Win32... of conz you need to install cygwin to use, but it works just fine for everyone who have a windows box... > >DAve >-- >My other computer is your Windows machine... roni _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp |
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From: <bin...@li...> - 2001-10-09 02:59:26
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hi..i've a few question on BC. right now we have multi-site support and stuff, I wonder if BC supports something similar to other apps server. Let say, I have the same application across 3 servers that will load balance each other and have access to 3 redundant DB server. Can BC manage this configuration gracefully? Just a thought. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 |
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From: <bin...@li...> - 2001-10-09 02:57:50
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Egad, what an idiotic thing to do. -dave >AGH!!!! > >Sorceforge is now in the misguided business of mandating policy where use of >its software is concerned... > >Well, it may be time again to return to privately hosted cvs and mailing >lists... just when I thought it would work well with sourceforge. Fantastic. > >https://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=6693&group_id=1 > >what a pain in the ass. > >_a -- David Weingart dwe...@po... The foot can split wood, but it can't split a watermelon. |
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From: <bin...@li...> - 2001-10-08 20:05:09
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Hi Alex, >I am not in love with the idea of installing a jre to run >make, but I can see using a similar format in any system >we come up with. > >All the better, because we can php2xml these build files >and run a really fast php-native make system (hehe) Yep, I prefer that over all. But if we do so, we should make this system bc independent. I mean generate "phpant"-code that does not depend on binarycloud (even if this is a greater effort). I'm sure such a system is also useful for other people doing development in php. >I'll have a look at the ants code.. So i will. Andi |
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From: <bin...@li...> - 2001-10-08 19:39:59
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hi all,
I'm looking at the build.xml that andi sent to the list, and barring a few
java-specific idiosyncrasies I like it a lot.
it provides a nice, easy way to extend the system (think:
<target name="phpdoc">
<phpdoc sourcedir="${build.dir}" targetdir="${docs.dir}"/>
</target>
etc.
I am not in love with the idea of installing a jre to run make, but I can
see using a similar format in any system we come up with.
All the better, because we can php2xml these build files and run a really
fast php-native make system (hehe)
I'll have a look at the ants code..
_alex
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From: <bin...@li...> - 2001-10-08 19:34:32
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> so are we near a stage where i could develop on a windows box and have my > code be compatible with the final release of bc2? You're there now. You can develop modules till the cows come home and plug them right into a version of r2 in a year. You will not of course benefit from some of the additional tools that will come along in the relatively near future, like entitymanager and formbuilder, etc... but you ca build modules and rest assured that the module spec _will_not_ change. best, -alex > //.s > > On Mon, 8 Oct 2001 bin...@li... wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 11:49:13AM -0700, >> bin...@li... wrote: >>> Hey dave, >>> >>> if you want sablot to work fine, (and you're on a linux box) >> Nope, BSD baby. Though may last set of production machines were all >> Slack boxes and run great, I prefer BSD. >> >>> >>> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=16402&release_id=52725 >>> >>> doenload that tarball and compile it from scratch. >>> >>> that package is a little thing I made up that will properly compile and >>> install apache (comes with a bunch of configure scripts for each package. >>> >>> I have sab .5 working fine with php406/apache 1320 >>> >>> :) >>> >>> _alex >> >> Looking forward to getting this done up and running, I know I talked to >> you a loooong time ago but didn't have the time to investigate BC. I >> looked hard at Tomcat but I find PHP does pretty much everything faster >> and with less effort/constraints. The one advantage I saw with Tomcat was >> a structured environment. Thats what I think BC will give me. >> >> DAve >> >> -- >> My other computer is your Windows machine... >> >> _______________________________________________ >> binarycloud-dev mailing list >> bin...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev >> http://www.binarycloud.com >> http://www.sf.net/projects/binarycloud/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > binarycloud-dev mailing list > bin...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev > http://www.binarycloud.com > http://www.sf.net/projects/binarycloud/ > |
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From: <bin...@li...> - 2001-10-08 19:26:01
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>> if you want sablot to work fine, (and you're on a linux box) > Nope, BSD baby. Though may last set of production machines were all > Slack boxes and run great, I prefer BSD. Cool... I think actually that you wouldn't have to modify the scripts _that_ much, though I must admit that my experience with bsd is limited. > Looking forward to getting this done up and running, I know I talked to > you a loooong time ago but didn't have the time to investigate BC. I > looked hard at Tomcat but I find PHP does pretty much everything faster > and with less effort/constraints. The one advantage I saw with Tomcat was > a structured environment. Thats what I think BC will give me. It will :) _a |
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From: <bin...@li...> - 2001-10-08 19:25:28
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so are we near a stage where i could develop on a windows box and have my code be compatible with the final release of bc2? //.s On Mon, 8 Oct 2001 bin...@li... wrote: > On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 11:49:13AM -0700, bin...@li... wrote: > > Hey dave, > > > > if you want sablot to work fine, (and you're on a linux box) > Nope, BSD baby. Though may last set of production machines were all > Slack boxes and run great, I prefer BSD. > > > > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=16402&release_id=52725 > > > > doenload that tarball and compile it from scratch. > > > > that package is a little thing I made up that will properly compile and > > install apache (comes with a bunch of configure scripts for each package. > > > > I have sab .5 working fine with php406/apache 1320 > > > > :) > > > > _alex > > Looking forward to getting this done up and running, I know I talked to > you a loooong time ago but didn't have the time to investigate BC. I > looked hard at Tomcat but I find PHP does pretty much everything faster > and with less effort/constraints. The one advantage I saw with Tomcat was > a structured environment. Thats what I think BC will give me. > > DAve > > -- > My other computer is your Windows machine... > > _______________________________________________ > binarycloud-dev mailing list > bin...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev > http://www.binarycloud.com > http://www.sf.net/projects/binarycloud/ > |
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From: <bin...@li...> - 2001-10-08 19:19:57
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Hi All, Here some guidance to test ant. It's based on a unix like system. So steps for windows are similar to the ones below, I guess you can work it out based upon this. Just donload the jre or jdk from sun, if you don't have it already: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/ untar it to your preffered dir i.e.: /opt/jdk. Then go get ant from http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-ant/release/v1.4/bin/ Finally setup some env vars in your .bashrc (or where you do this kind of stuff): JAVA_HOME=/opt/jdk ANT_HOME=/opt/ant PATH="$PATH:/opt/jdk/bin:/opt/ant/bin" That's it. Ah a note. The archives extract to subdirs with versionnumber (i.e. jakarta-ant-1.4). I propose to untar it to /opt "as is" and make symlinks (ln -s /opt/jakarta-ant-1.4 ant, etc). You can call ant by typing "ant". It looks for a build file named build.xml in the current directory and executes the stuff in it. You also can invoke targets like in make: ant all, ant site, ant core, whatever you've defined. A good html based documentation can be found in /opt/ant/docs/manual. I've attached a build.xml in my last mail. The originating package of this file is EIRC (www.sourceforge.net/projects/eirc, you need also the eirc-lib package), that compiles out of the box (but since it's java you need the jdk). A basic binarycloud conform build.xml will come soon, as I play around with it currently. Andi |
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