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[B2-devel] Sheepshaver - File Access outside the virtual volume

[Kevin J. <kev...@hi...>]

I'm not sure what Basilisk is, but the Sheepshaver site said to seek  
support on this forum. Many thanks to everybody working on Sheepshaver.

I am having trouble moving files to and from the virtual Classic Mac.  
I am running Mac OS X.4 ("Tiger"). I see that my computer's actual  
startup volume appears on the virtual Classic desktop as "Unix".

Only partial lists are being produced on the unix volume. For  
instance, and this is a big one, it doesn't see "/Applications (Mac  
OS 9)". And two other big ones are "/Users/Shared/Family Documents"  
and "Users/kj". Oddly, it does see "/Users/Shared/" and "Users/sj". I  
checked the permissions. Both Sheepshaver and Sheepshaver Gui are  
owned by kj with rwx, of the admin group with rwx, permitting guests  
with r--.

Why am I only getting partial lists?

My main need for Classic is to run InControl, which carries some 8000  
tasks in hierarchical structure many with alarms. Exporting to a new  
program would be daunting. Besides, I haven't found any other task  
manager or calendar that permits you to add fields, customize views,  
attach alarms and organize it all hierarchically.

Anyway, when I copied the files from the 'unix' drive to the 'bart  
os9' volume, I think they lost all their resources. Certainly the  
control panel was not recognized as such, nor could I launch the  
application by opening the data file, nor was the application  
recognized AS an application.

So, how does one get Mac files INTO the virtual Classic after the  
volume is created, without losing all their essential Mac resources?

Interestingly, the virtual Classic thought a folder was a file.

Disturbingly, when I made a change to a directory using OS X, the  
virtual Classic which had an open window displaying that directory  
did not update the display. At least the reverse worked. When the  
virtual Classic wrote to a Unix directory, the Mac OS X window  
displaying that directory was immediately updated.


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Re: [B2-devel] Sheepshaver - File Access outside the virtual volume

[Kevin J. <kev...@hi...>]

I think that may have been unclear. When I say, "only partial lists  
are being produced", I mean that when the Virtual Classic is asked to  
draw a Finder window depicting the contents of a directory on the  
unix 'volume', it only draws a partial list of the actual contents.  
It omits items, or "doesn't see" them.

On Jan. 1, 2008, at 12:27 , Kevin Jaques wrote:

> I'm not sure what Basilisk is, but the Sheepshaver site said to  
> seek support on this forum. Many thanks to everybody working on  
> Sheepshaver.
>
> I am having trouble moving files to and from the virtual Classic  
> Mac. I am running Mac OS X.4 ("Tiger"). I see that my computer's  
> actual startup volume appears on the virtual Classic desktop as  
> "Unix".
>
> Only partial lists are being produced on the unix volume. For  
> instance, and this is a big one, it doesn't see "/Applications (Mac  
> OS 9)". And two other big ones are "/Users/Shared/Family Documents"  
> and "Users/kj". Oddly, it does see "/Users/Shared/" and "Users/sj".  
> I checked the permissions. Both Sheepshaver and Sheepshaver Gui are  
> owned by kj with rwx, of the admin group with rwx, permitting  
> guests with r--.
>
> Why am I only getting partial lists?
>
> My main need for Classic is to run InControl, which carries some  
> 8000 tasks in hierarchical structure many with alarms. Exporting to  
> a new program would be daunting. Besides, I haven't found any other  
> task manager or calendar that permits you to add fields, customize  
> views, attach alarms and organize it all hierarchically.
>
> Anyway, when I copied the files from the 'unix' drive to the 'bart  
> os9' volume, I think they lost all their resources. Certainly the  
> control panel was not recognized as such, nor could I launch the  
> application by opening the data file, nor was the application  
> recognized AS an application.
>
> So, how does one get Mac files INTO the virtual Classic after the  
> volume is created, without losing all their essential Mac resources?
>
> Interestingly, the virtual Classic thought a folder was a file.
>
> Disturbingly, when I made a change to a directory using OS X, the  
> virtual Classic which had an open window displaying that directory  
> did not update the display. At least the reverse worked. When the  
> virtual Classic wrote to a Unix directory, the Mac OS X window  
> displaying that directory was immediately updated.
>
>
> --
> Sincerely, Kevin Jaques (at home)
>
> Use ja...@hi... for work related messages
>
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Re: [B2-devel] Sheepshaver - File Access outside the virtual volume

[Joshua J. <jj...@gm...>]

On Jan 1, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Kevin Jaques wrote:

> I'm not sure what Basilisk is, but the Sheepshaver site said to  
> seek support on this forum.

Basilisk II is a 68K Mac emulator, and SheepShaver shares some code  
with it.  Including the external filesystem layer.

> I am having trouble moving files to and from the virtual Classic  
> Mac. I am running Mac OS X.4 ("Tiger"). I see that my computer's  
> actual startup volume appears on the virtual Classic desktop as  
> "Unix".
>
> Why am I only getting partial lists?

I don't know, but this might be a clue:

> Welcome to Genie and Lamp <http://lamp.sourceforge.net/>.
>
> Shell spawned with pid 2
> $ ls -l /Volumes
> total 0
> drwx------  21 0        0                0 Jan  2 02:12 Rio
> drwx------ 25975 0        0                0 Aug  5 12:45 Unix
> $


Rio is the boot volume and has 19 items at root level as expected.   
My extfs folder has 24 and therefore should display 26 in the second  
column.

(Genie/Lamp is a Unix-like environment that runs on traditional Mac OS.)

> Anyway, when I copied the files from the 'unix' drive to the 'bart  
> os9' volume, I think they lost all their resources.

Which version of SheepShaver are you using?  The May 2006 release has  
a known issue of not byteswapping the file types and creators, so  
your applications become type 'LPPA' (assuming you're on Intel) and  
won't launch.

> So, how does one get Mac files INTO the virtual Classic after the  
> volume is created, without losing all their essential Mac resources?

I recommend asking the maintainers to release a new version of  
SheepShaver.  Or you can try to build it yourself, but you're  
probably better off just getting someone who's already done so to  
email you a copy.

> Disturbingly, when I made a change to a directory using OS X, the  
> virtual Classic which had an open window displaying that directory  
> did not update the display.

This isn't a serious issue.  Just close the folder's window and  
reopen it, and the items will be refreshed.

Josh

Re: [B2-devel] Sheepshaver - File Access outside the virtual volume

[Alexei S. <isv...@sy...>]

> I recommend asking the maintainers to release a new version of
> SheepShaver.  Or you can try to build it yourself, but you're
> probably better off just getting someone who's already done so to
> email you a copy.

I don't do builds, and Gwenole's builds are quite a bit out of date.

However, there is a site - Emaculation - which has forums for  
SheepShaver, and there are some unofficial builds there (as well as  
lots of feedback and suggestions from users).

The URL to their forums is: http://emaculation.com/forum/

Hope that helps.

-Alexei

Re: [B2-devel] Sheepshaver - File Access outside the virtual volume

[Jaime C. <jca...@gm...>]

2008/1/2, Joshua Juran <jj...@gm...>:
> On Jan 1, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Kevin Jaques wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure what Basilisk is, but the Sheepshaver site said to
> > seek support on this forum.
>
> Basilisk II is a 68K Mac emulator, and SheepShaver shares some code
> with it.  Including the external filesystem layer.
>
It is a pity that Sheepshaver doesn't share more code or at least the
feeling I have is that it is not designed in such a modular way... the
low level unix/linux code seems to be spread over the main tree or
code, while it should be just in the unix directory. Or at least it's
not as clear. I know Sheepshaver has more complex emulation but I find
the specific platform code not as "splitted" as in BasiliskII.

I don't know if it still builds for PPC BeOS. I'm curious about it...
does someone have tried to build it on PPC BeOS?


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