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[Bashburn-info] Update on display problem.

[Steven W. O. <st...@sy...>]

There are two programs that I'm using to look at the problem.

xlsfonts # Used to display the list of all fonts
xfd	# to display the characters in a font.

I took a look at a large font at random.

xfd -fn '-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--34-240-100-100-m-200-iso8859-9'

and it's clear that you can see all of the funny characters.

Then I started an xterm using that font.

xterm -font '-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--34-240-100-100-m-200-iso8859-9'

Then from that xterm, I run bashburn. I switch from English to Swedish and 
the problem still persists.

So, my question is this: Why do we think that the encoding we're using is 
even correct in the first place?

If someone can show me a program that's written in anything that displays 
these characters then I can get this solved.

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Re: [Bashburn-info] Update on display problem.

[Nick W. <ni...@uk...>]

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:19:16 -0400 (EDT)
"Steven W. Orr" <st...@sy...> wrote:

> There are two programs that I'm using to look at the problem.
> 
> xlsfonts # Used to display the list of all fonts
> xfd	# to display the characters in a font.
> 
> I took a look at a large font at random.
> 
> xfd -fn
> '-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--34-240-100-100-m-200-iso8859-9'
> 
> and it's clear that you can see all of the funny characters.
> 
> Then I started an xterm using that font.
> 
> xterm -font
> '-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--34-240-100-100-m-200-iso8859-9'
> 
> Then from that xterm, I run bashburn. I switch from English to
> Swedish and the problem still persists.
> 
> So, my question is this: Why do we think that the encoding we're
> using is even correct in the first place?
> 
> If someone can show me a program that's written in anything that
> displays these characters then I can get this solved.

I still think the Sewdish lang files have extraenous control chars in
it.

Consider this:

echo "Ångra Ändringar"

(Anders: I guess that is an 'Ä' and not a 'Ã' as seen in the file?)

Works fine.  So does changing these in Swedish lang file.

Nick
-- 
Free Software Foundation Associate Member 5508

Re: [Bashburn-info] Update on display problem.

[Anders L. <and...@gm...>]

lör 2008-10-11 klockan 08:06 +0100 skrev Nick Warne:
> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:19:16 -0400 (EDT)
> "Steven W. Orr" <st...@sy...> wrote:
> 
> > There are two programs that I'm using to look at the problem.
> > 
> > xlsfonts # Used to display the list of all fonts
> > xfd	# to display the characters in a font.
> > 
> > I took a look at a large font at random.
> > 
> > xfd -fn
> > '-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--34-240-100-100-m-200-iso8859-9'
> > 
> > and it's clear that you can see all of the funny characters.
> > 
> > Then I started an xterm using that font.
> > 
> > xterm -font
> > '-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--34-240-100-100-m-200-iso8859-9'
> > 
> > Then from that xterm, I run bashburn. I switch from English to
> > Swedish and the problem still persists.
> > 
> > So, my question is this: Why do we think that the encoding we're
> > using is even correct in the first place?
> > 
> > If someone can show me a program that's written in anything that
> > displays these characters then I can get this solved.
> 
> I still think the Sewdish lang files have extraenous control chars in
> it.
> 
> Consider this:
> 
> echo "Ångra Ändringar"
> 
> (Anders: I guess that is an 'Ä' and not a 'Ã' as seen in the file?)
> 
> Works fine.  So does changing these in Swedish lang file.
> 
> Nick

I noticed that the Swedish configure.lang is not in utf-8 but in
'Non-ISO extended-ASCII'. Running the config menu now just gives me a
question mark in a circle where the Swedish characters should be (And
settings are still misaligned).
I created a new configure.lang where I just wrote down the menu text and
saved it in utf-8. Then all Swedish characters displayed correctly (But
again, things are still misaligned). 

I'm starting to think maybe it's not worth spending too much time with
this issue. It's not like it breaks anything and we're going to replace
the translation system anyway. Or will this issue still appear when we
gettextifies BashBurn? Thoughts?


-- 
Anders Lindén
http://bashburn.dose.se

Re: [Bashburn-info] Update on display problem.

[Nick W. <ni...@uk...>]

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:28:50 +0200
Anders Lindén <and...@gm...> wrote:

> lör 2008-10-11 klockan 08:06 +0100 skrev Nick Warne:
> > On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:19:16 -0400 (EDT)
> > "Steven W. Orr" <st...@sy...> wrote:
> > 
> > > There are two programs that I'm using to look at the problem.
> > > 
> > > xlsfonts # Used to display the list of all fonts
> > > xfd	# to display the characters in a font.
> > > 
> > > I took a look at a large font at random.
> > > 
> > > xfd -fn
> > > '-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--34-240-100-100-m-200-iso8859-9'
> > > 
> > > and it's clear that you can see all of the funny characters.
> > > 
> > > Then I started an xterm using that font.
> > > 
> > > xterm -font
> > > '-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--34-240-100-100-m-200-iso8859-9'
> > > 
> > > Then from that xterm, I run bashburn. I switch from English to
> > > Swedish and the problem still persists.
> > > 
> > > So, my question is this: Why do we think that the encoding we're
> > > using is even correct in the first place?
> > > 
> > > If someone can show me a program that's written in anything that
> > > displays these characters then I can get this solved.
> > 
> > I still think the Sewdish lang files have extraenous control chars
> > in it.
> > 
> > Consider this:
> > 
> > echo "Ångra Ändringar"
> > 
> > (Anders: I guess that is an 'Ä' and not a 'Ã' as seen in the file?)
> > 
> > Works fine.  So does changing these in Swedish lang file.
> > 
> > Nick
> 
> I noticed that the Swedish configure.lang is not in utf-8 but in
> 'Non-ISO extended-ASCII'. Running the config menu now just gives me a
> question mark in a circle where the Swedish characters should be (And
> settings are still misaligned).
> I created a new configure.lang where I just wrote down the menu text
> and saved it in utf-8. Then all Swedish characters displayed
> correctly (But again, things are still misaligned). 
> 
> I'm starting to think maybe it's not worth spending too much time with
> this issue. It's not like it breaks anything and we're going to
> replace the translation system anyway. Or will this issue still
> appear when we gettextifies BashBurn? Thoughts?
> 
> 

OK, what editor do you use - in fact, what distro do you use?

Could it be some mangling on saving the file?

I use Nano BTW -> http://www.nano-editor.org/

Nick
-- 
Free Software Foundation Associate Member 5508

Re: [Bashburn-info] Update on display problem.

[A. L. <and...@gm...>]

I'm using emacs on Gentoo and Ubuntu.

2008/10/11, Nick Warne <ni...@uk...>:
> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:28:50 +0200
> Anders Lindén <and...@gm...> wrote:
>
>> lör 2008-10-11 klockan 08:06 +0100 skrev Nick Warne:
>> > On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:19:16 -0400 (EDT)
>> > "Steven W. Orr" <st...@sy...> wrote:
>> >
>> > > There are two programs that I'm using to look at the problem.
>> > >
>> > > xlsfonts # Used to display the list of all fonts
>> > > xfd	# to display the characters in a font.
>> > >
>> > > I took a look at a large font at random.
>> > >
>> > > xfd -fn
>> > > '-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--34-240-100-100-m-200-iso8859-9'
>> > >
>> > > and it's clear that you can see all of the funny characters.
>> > >
>> > > Then I started an xterm using that font.
>> > >
>> > > xterm -font
>> > > '-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--34-240-100-100-m-200-iso8859-9'
>> > >
>> > > Then from that xterm, I run bashburn. I switch from English to
>> > > Swedish and the problem still persists.
>> > >
>> > > So, my question is this: Why do we think that the encoding we're
>> > > using is even correct in the first place?
>> > >
>> > > If someone can show me a program that's written in anything that
>> > > displays these characters then I can get this solved.
>> >
>> > I still think the Sewdish lang files have extraenous control chars
>> > in it.
>> >
>> > Consider this:
>> >
>> > echo "Ångra Ändringar"
>> >
>> > (Anders: I guess that is an 'Ä' and not a 'Ã' as seen in the file?)
>> >
>> > Works fine.  So does changing these in Swedish lang file.
>> >
>> > Nick
>>
>> I noticed that the Swedish configure.lang is not in utf-8 but in
>> 'Non-ISO extended-ASCII'. Running the config menu now just gives me a
>> question mark in a circle where the Swedish characters should be (And
>> settings are still misaligned).
>> I created a new configure.lang where I just wrote down the menu text
>> and saved it in utf-8. Then all Swedish characters displayed
>> correctly (But again, things are still misaligned).
>>
>> I'm starting to think maybe it's not worth spending too much time with
>> this issue. It's not like it breaks anything and we're going to
>> replace the translation system anyway. Or will this issue still
>> appear when we gettextifies BashBurn? Thoughts?
>>
>>
>
> OK, what editor do you use - in fact, what distro do you use?
>
> Could it be some mangling on saving the file?
>
> I use Nano BTW -> http://www.nano-editor.org/
>
> Nick
> --
> Free Software Foundation Associate Member 5508
>


-- 
Anders Lindén

http://bashburn.sf.net

Re: [Bashburn-info] Update on display problem.

[Nick W. <ni...@uk...>]

> 
> 2008/10/11, Nick Warne <ni...@uk...>:
> > On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:28:50 +0200
> > Anders Lindén <and...@gm...> wrote:
> >
> >> lör 2008-10-11 klockan 08:06 +0100 skrev Nick Warne:
> >> > On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:19:16 -0400 (EDT)
> >> > "Steven W. Orr" <st...@sy...> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > There are two programs that I'm using to look at the problem.
> >> > >
> >> > > xlsfonts # Used to display the list of all fonts
> >> > > xfd	# to display the characters in a font.
> >> > >
> >> > > I took a look at a large font at random.
> >> > >
> >> > > xfd -fn
> >> > > '-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--34-240-100-100-m-200-iso8859-9'
> >> > >
> >> > > and it's clear that you can see all of the funny characters.
> >> > >
> >> > > Then I started an xterm using that font.
> >> > >
> >> > > xterm -font
> >> > > '-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--34-240-100-100-m-200-iso8859-9'
> >> > >
> >> > > Then from that xterm, I run bashburn. I switch from English to
> >> > > Swedish and the problem still persists.
> >> > >
> >> > > So, my question is this: Why do we think that the encoding
> >> > > we're using is even correct in the first place?
> >> > >
> >> > > If someone can show me a program that's written in anything
> >> > > that displays these characters then I can get this solved.
> >> >
> >> > I still think the Sewdish lang files have extraenous control
> >> > chars in it.
> >> >
> >> > Consider this:
> >> >
> >> > echo "Ångra Ändringar"
> >> >
> >> > (Anders: I guess that is an 'Ä' and not a 'Ã' as seen in the
> >> > file?)
> >> >
> >> > Works fine.  So does changing these in Swedish lang file.
> >> >
> >> > Nick
> >>
> >> I noticed that the Swedish configure.lang is not in utf-8 but in
> >> 'Non-ISO extended-ASCII'. Running the config menu now just gives
> >> me a question mark in a circle where the Swedish characters should
> >> be (And settings are still misaligned).
> >> I created a new configure.lang where I just wrote down the menu
> >> text and saved it in utf-8. Then all Swedish characters displayed
> >> correctly (But again, things are still misaligned).
> >>
> >> I'm starting to think maybe it's not worth spending too much time
> >> with this issue. It's not like it breaks anything and we're going
> >> to replace the translation system anyway. Or will this issue still
> >> appear when we gettextifies BashBurn? Thoughts?
> >>
> >>
> >
> > OK, what editor do you use - in fact, what distro do you use?
> >
> > Could it be some mangling on saving the file?
> >
> > I use Nano BTW -> http://www.nano-editor.org/
> >
> On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:02:11 +0200
> "Anders Lindén" <and...@gm...> wrote:
>
> I'm using emacs on Gentoo and Ubuntu.

It could be a bash issue - have a read of this:

http://www.divvun.no/doc/tools/utf-8-setup.html

Nick
-- 
Free Software Foundation Associate Member 5508