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From: Alex Clifford <alex.c@ax...> - 2013-08-02 02:26:07
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Hi all, I have a BackupPC server running at our office successfully but now want to look at an off-site mirror (DR). When I create my off-site serverI want to be able to use it to restore files in the event of a catastrophic failure of our main backup server, but don't want BackupPC running on it. Do I just install BackupPC on the off-site server and rsync the /etc/backuppc, /var/lib/backuppc, and /usr/share/backuppc directories? Will this allow me to then manually run some BackupPC restores from the command line? Or do I need to actually enable the off-site mirror BackupPC instance to run normally so I can do restores from the web interface? Thanks -- Alex Clifford | IT Network Engineer Axxin Pty Ltd E| _alex.c@... W| _www.axxin.com <http://www.axxin.com/>_ Australian Office: A| 576 Swan St, Richmond, VIC, Australia 3121 P| + 61 (0) 3 9329 1167 <tel:%2B%2061%20%280%29%203%209329%201167> F| + 61 (0) 3 9818 8577 <tel:%2B%2061%20%280%29%203%209818%208577> USA Office: A| 4370 La Jolla Village Drive, Suite 400, San Diego, CA, 92122 P|+ 1 858 736 9160 <tel:%2B%201%20858%20736%209160> F| + 1 858 346 9300 <tel:%2B%201%20858%20346%209300> This communication may contain confidential or copyright information of Axxin Pty Ltd (ABN 43 120 905 839). If you are not an intended recipient, you must not keep, forward, copy, use, save or rely on this communication and any such action is unauthorised and prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this email to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery, and then delete both it and your reply. |
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From: Till Hofmann <hofmanntill@gm...> - 2013-08-02 12:35:51
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On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 4:13 AM, Alex Clifford <alex.c@...> wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a BackupPC server running at our office successfully but now want > to look at an off-site mirror (DR). When I create my off-site server I > want to be able to use it to restore files in the event of a catastrophic > failure of our main backup server, but don't want BackupPC running on it. > > Do I just install BackupPC on the off-site server and rsync the > /etc/backuppc, /var/lib/backuppc, and /usr/share/backuppc directories? Will > this allow me to then manually run some BackupPC restores from the command > line? Or do I need to actually enable the off-site mirror BackupPC > instance to run normally so I can do restores from the web interface? > Do you know about backuppc's archive function<http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/faq/BackupPC.html#Archive-functions>? That's the most common way to create offsite backups. |
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From: Alex Clifford <alex.c@ax...> - 2013-08-05 00:53:40
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I investigated the archive option in BackupPC but I don't think that will meet our requirements. We would like our off-site backup to be a complete working copy of the local BackupPC system (if required). I've rsynced our current system to another server now so I'll set up BackupPC on there to test. If any one is interested in the results please let me know. Alex Clifford | IT Network Engineer Axxin Pty Ltd E| _alex.c@... W| _www.axxin.com <http://www.axxin.com/>_ Australian Office: A| 576 Swan St, Richmond, VIC, Australia 3121 P| + 61 (0) 3 9329 1167 <tel:%2B%2061%20%280%29%203%209329%201167> F| + 61 (0) 3 9818 8577 <tel:%2B%2061%20%280%29%203%209818%208577> USA Office: A| 4370 La Jolla Village Drive, Suite 400, San Diego, CA, 92122 P|+ 1 858 736 9160 <tel:%2B%201%20858%20736%209160> F| + 1 858 346 9300 <tel:%2B%201%20858%20346%209300> This communication may contain confidential or copyright information of Axxin Pty Ltd (ABN 43 120 905 839). If you are not an intended recipient, you must not keep, forward, copy, use, save or rely on this communication and any such action is unauthorised and prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this email to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery, and then delete both it and your reply. On 02/08/13 22:35, Till Hofmann wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 4:13 AM, Alex Clifford <alex.c@... > <mailto:alex.c@...>> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have a BackupPC server running at our office successfully but > now want to look at an off-site mirror (DR). When I create my > off-site serverI want to be able to use it to restore files in the > event of a catastrophic failure of our main backup server, but > don't want BackupPC running on it. > > Do I just install BackupPC on the off-site server and rsync the > /etc/backuppc, /var/lib/backuppc, and /usr/share/backuppc > directories? Will this allow me to then manually run some BackupPC > restores from the command line? Or do I need to actually enable > the off-site mirror BackupPC instance to run normally so I can do > restores from the web interface? > > > Do you know about backuppc's archive function > <http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/faq/BackupPC.html#Archive-functions>? > That's the most common way to create offsite backups. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get your SQL database under version control now! > Version control is standard for application code, but databases havent > caught up. So what steps can you take to put your SQL databases under > version control? Why should you start doing it? Read more to find out. > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=49501711&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > > > _______________________________________________ > BackupPC-users mailing list > BackupPC-users@... > List: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users > Wiki: http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net > Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ |
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From: Christian Völker <chrischan@kn...> - 2013-08-05 04:20:36
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Hi, I had similar in mind when creating my solution. Depending on the final size of your BackupPC directory (here: 1.3TB) you will realize that rsync isn't really an option. I'll just take ages and keep your BackupPC server busy for hours while syncing. I tried a lot, too. In the end I used drbd. My BackupPC directory is now a drbd device which syncs automatically to my second server. The second one is not in the same building and connected through a (slow!) WiFi connection. It really slows down access on the primary but this is no harm for me here. You can installl BackuPC on the second one (but not activate it!) and in emergency just start and you have a restore possibility. A perfect solution. Only issue is the slow I/O transfer because of the WiFi connection. If you have a lot of clients and are bound to a quick backup this might not work. Otherwise it's perfect. ;) Greetings Christian |
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From: Alex Clifford <alex.c@ax...> - 2013-08-05 05:59:34
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I'm currently at ~400GB and the rsync -H seems to take around an hour with 1GB to sync. I'll see how it goes when larger amounts of data are added. I've set the BackupsDisable configuration option to be 2 on the DR system so I can view the web interface and complete restores but not have my DR data altered. Thanks for your suggestion; I'll investigate something like that further if my rsync speed becomes troublesome. Alex Clifford | IT Network Engineer Axxin Pty Ltd E| _alex.c@... W| _www.axxin.com <http://www.axxin.com/>_ Australian Office: A| 576 Swan St, Richmond, VIC, Australia 3121 P| + 61 (0) 3 9329 1167 <tel:%2B%2061%20%280%29%203%209329%201167> F| + 61 (0) 3 9818 8577 <tel:%2B%2061%20%280%29%203%209818%208577> USA Office: A| 4370 La Jolla Village Drive, Suite 400, San Diego, CA, 92122 P|+ 1 858 736 9160 <tel:%2B%201%20858%20736%209160> F| + 1 858 346 9300 <tel:%2B%201%20858%20346%209300> This communication may contain confidential or copyright information of Axxin Pty Ltd (ABN 43 120 905 839). If you are not an intended recipient, you must not keep, forward, copy, use, save or rely on this communication and any such action is unauthorised and prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this email to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery, and then delete both it and your reply. On 05/08/13 14:02, Christian Völker wrote: > Hi, > > I had similar in mind when creating my solution. Depending on the final > size of your BackupPC directory (here: 1.3TB) you will realize that > rsync isn't really an option. I'll just take ages and keep your BackupPC > server busy for hours while syncing. > > I tried a lot, too. In the end I used drbd. My BackupPC directory is now > a drbd device which syncs automatically to my second server. The second > one is not in the same building and connected through a (slow!) WiFi > connection. It really slows down access on the primary but this is no > harm for me here. > You can installl BackuPC on the second one (but not activate it!) and in > emergency just start and you have a restore possibility. > > A perfect solution. Only issue is the slow I/O transfer because of the > WiFi connection. If you have a lot of clients and are bound to a quick > backup this might not work. Otherwise it's perfect. ;) > > Greetings > > Christian > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get your SQL database under version control now! > Version control is standard for application code, but databases havent > caught up. So what steps can you take to put your SQL databases under > version control? Why should you start doing it? Read more to find out. > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=49501711&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > BackupPC-users mailing list > BackupPC-users@... > List: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users > Wiki: http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net > Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ |
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From: Les Mikesell <lesmikesell@gm...> - 2013-08-05 15:08:28
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On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Alex Clifford <alex.c@...> wrote:
> I'm currently at ~400GB and the rsync -H seems to take around an hour with
> 1GB to sync. I'll see how it goes when larger amounts of data are added.
> I've set the BackupsDisable configuration option to be 2 on the DR system so
> I can view the web interface and complete restores but not have my DR data
> altered. Thanks for your suggestion; I'll investigate something like that
> further if my rsync speed becomes troublesome.
The number of hardlinks in the pool matter more than the total size of
the data in terms of being a problem for rsync so keeping a longer
history can cause trouble too. However, the next version of backuppc
may solve this problem and be more rsync-friendly.
--
Les Mikesell
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From: Alex Clifford <alex.c@ax...> - 2013-08-05 23:29:01
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I see. How far away might this new version be and what will the changes be that will help rsync? Thanks Alex Clifford | IT Network Engineer Axxin Pty Ltd E| _alex.c@... W| _www.axxin.com <http://www.axxin.com/>_ Australian Office: A| 576 Swan St, Richmond, VIC, Australia 3121 P| + 61 (0) 3 9329 1167 <tel:%2B%2061%20%280%29%203%209329%201167> F| + 61 (0) 3 9818 8577 <tel:%2B%2061%20%280%29%203%209818%208577> USA Office: A| 4370 La Jolla Village Drive, Suite 400, San Diego, CA, 92122 P|+ 1 858 736 9160 <tel:%2B%201%20858%20736%209160> F| + 1 858 346 9300 <tel:%2B%201%20858%20346%209300> This communication may contain confidential or copyright information of Axxin Pty Ltd (ABN 43 120 905 839). If you are not an intended recipient, you must not keep, forward, copy, use, save or rely on this communication and any such action is unauthorised and prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this email to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery, and then delete both it and your reply. On 06/08/13 01:08, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Alex Clifford <alex.c@...> wrote: >> I'm currently at ~400GB and the rsync -H seems to take around an hour with >> 1GB to sync. I'll see how it goes when larger amounts of data are added. >> I've set the BackupsDisable configuration option to be 2 on the DR system so >> I can view the web interface and complete restores but not have my DR data >> altered. Thanks for your suggestion; I'll investigate something like that >> further if my rsync speed becomes troublesome. > The number of hardlinks in the pool matter more than the total size of > the data in terms of being a problem for rsync so keeping a longer > history can cause trouble too. However, the next version of backuppc > may solve this problem and be more rsync-friendly. > |
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From: <backuppc@ko...> - 2013-08-06 00:12:35
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There is an alpha version available - see the announcements made both to this list and the development list. I haven't heard of any unresolved bugs or issues but that may be due to the fact that there are not yet a lot of testers. Craig has a history of writing pretty clean code and has tested this internally but that being said I wouldn't use it yet for "production". Alex Clifford wrote at about 09:14:33 +1000 on Tuesday, August 6, 2013: > I see. How far away might this new version be and what will the changes > be that will help rsync? > > Thanks > > > Alex Clifford | IT Network Engineer > Axxin Pty Ltd > E| _alex.c@... > W| _www.axxin.com <http://www.axxin.com/>_ > Australian Office: A| 576 Swan St, Richmond, VIC, Australia 3121 P| + > 61 (0) 3 9329 1167 <tel:%2B%2061%20%280%29%203%209329%201167> F| + 61 > (0) 3 9818 8577 <tel:%2B%2061%20%280%29%203%209818%208577> > USA Office: A| 4370 La Jolla Village Drive, Suite 400, San Diego, CA, > 92122 P|+ 1 858 736 9160 <tel:%2B%201%20858%20736%209160> F| + 1 858 > 346 9300 <tel:%2B%201%20858%20346%209300> > This communication may contain confidential or copyright information of > Axxin Pty Ltd (ABN 43 120 905 839). If you are not an intended > recipient, you must not keep, forward, copy, use, save or rely on this > communication and any such action is unauthorised and prohibited. If you > have received this communication in error, please reply to this email to > notify the sender of its incorrect delivery, and then delete both it and > your reply. > > On 06/08/13 01:08, Les Mikesell wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Alex Clifford <alex.c@...> wrote: > >> I'm currently at ~400GB and the rsync -H seems to take around an hour with > >> 1GB to sync. I'll see how it goes when larger amounts of data are added. > >> I've set the BackupsDisable configuration option to be 2 on the DR system so > >> I can view the web interface and complete restores but not have my DR data > >> altered. Thanks for your suggestion; I'll investigate something like that > >> further if my rsync speed becomes troublesome. > > The number of hardlinks in the pool matter more than the total size of > > the data in terms of being a problem for rsync so keeping a longer > > history can cause trouble too. However, the next version of backuppc > > may solve this problem and be more rsync-friendly. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get your SQL database under version control now! > Version control is standard for application code, but databases havent > caught up. So what steps can you take to put your SQL databases under > version control? Why should you start doing it? Read more to find out. > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > BackupPC-users mailing list > BackupPC-users@... > List: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users > Wiki: http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net > Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ |
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From: Les Mikesell <lesmikesell@gm...> - 2013-08-06 00:22:53
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On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 6:14 PM, Alex Clifford <alex.c@...> wrote: > I see. How far away might this new version be and what will the changes be > that will help rsync? > I've gone badly wrong speculating about software development times and directions before, so look at an archive of the backuppc-devel list like: http://www.mail-archive.com/backuppc-devel@.../ and judge for yourself. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell@... |
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From: Alex Clifford <alex.c@ax...> - 2013-08-06 01:26:16
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I might have to run up a secondary BackupPC server running the alpha to test it then. No hard-linking could solve my problem. (Well my off-site rsync isn't performing terribly yet, but I imagine it will over time). Is anyone running the version 4 alpha and has perhaps tested rsyncing the pools? Thanks Alex Clifford | IT Network Engineer Axxin Pty Ltd E| _alex.c@... W| _www.axxin.com <http://www.axxin.com/>_ Australian Office: A| 576 Swan St, Richmond, VIC, Australia 3121 P| + 61 (0) 3 9329 1167 <tel:%2B%2061%20%280%29%203%209329%201167> F| + 61 (0) 3 9818 8577 <tel:%2B%2061%20%280%29%203%209818%208577> USA Office: A| 4370 La Jolla Village Drive, Suite 400, San Diego, CA, 92122 P|+ 1 858 736 9160 <tel:%2B%201%20858%20736%209160> F| + 1 858 346 9300 <tel:%2B%201%20858%20346%209300> This communication may contain confidential or copyright information of Axxin Pty Ltd (ABN 43 120 905 839). If you are not an intended recipient, you must not keep, forward, copy, use, save or rely on this communication and any such action is unauthorised and prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this email to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery, and then delete both it and your reply. On 06/08/13 10:22, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 6:14 PM, Alex Clifford <alex.c@...> wrote: >> I see. How far away might this new version be and what will the changes be >> that will help rsync? >> > I've gone badly wrong speculating about software development times and > directions before, so look at an archive of the backuppc-devel list > like: http://www.mail-archive.com/backuppc-devel@.../ > and judge for yourself. > |