Re: [Audacity-translation] [Audacity-quality] Localizing musical note names?
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From: Paul L. <pau...@gm...> - 2017-10-11 14:26:04
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On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Steve the Fiddle <ste...@gm...> wrote: > > > On 8 October 2017 at 15:07, b n singh <bas...@gm...> wrote: > >> You can refer differences in Indian and equitempered scale at below link. >> http://www.22shruti.com/research_topic_25.asp >> > > > That's interesting and useful. > > From the first sentence: > "To our astonishment, it will be seen that NONE of the notes in these 2 > scales are identical" > > I think this highlights a problem with translation of the note names, and > a good reason why we should probably not translate. If we translated for > Indian language, the frequencies calculated by the "Change Pitch" effect > will be wrong unless we also change the frequency calculations > conditionally on the selected locale. The differences between different > temperaments may not be great, but they are sufficient to sound out of tune > if the wrong one is used. > > Steve > Maybe it's not right for the Indian scales. But I raised the question, thinking mostly of the variations for note names in Western languages, where much of the musical theory is shared. For French locale it may be better to translate C, D, E, ... as ut, re, mi, ... PRL > > >> >> The slight difference is in ratio between notes in Indian and >> equitempeeed scale. >> The Western names of notes have equivalent Notes in Indian music (12 >> notes in North India Hindustani music) .Though South Indian Carnatik music >> have some more variations (Total 16 notes) >> >> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svara >> >> >> Regards, >> Bashishtha >> >> >> On 08-Oct-2017 18:05, "Edo (Reliable Productions)" <edo...@gm...> >> wrote: >> >>> Isn't the Indian system basically one of intervals, rather than of >>> frequencies? >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Steve the Fiddle < >>> ste...@gm...> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8 October 2017 at 10:08, b n singh <bas...@gm...> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> In my opinion, internationalization will help a vast number of music >>>>> lovers. In India, musical note names (Sa, Re, Ga, Ma, Pa, Dha, Ni) is used >>>>> in all different Indian languages and musical styles. Most people learn >>>>> music in India with Indian note names. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The note names in Audacity are based on A440 Equal Temperament. That's >>>> not the case for Indian svara is it? >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> bashishtha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 3 October 2017 at 20:42, Paul Licameli <pau...@gm...> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> There are places where Audacity names notes of the musical scale as >>>>>> C, D, E, ... >>>>>> >>>>>> But conventions differ. I wonder if we should internationalize that. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.library.yale.edu/cataloging/music/keylang.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> Paul Licameli >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> ------------------ >>>>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Audacity-translation mailing list >>>>>> Aud...@li... >>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-translation >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> b n singh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> ------------------ >>>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Audacity-quality mailing list >>>>> Aud...@li... >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> ------------------ >>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Audacity-translation mailing list >>>> Aud...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-translation >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ------------------ >>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Audacity-translation mailing list >>> Aud...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-translation >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------ >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> Audacity-quality mailing list >> Aud...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Audacity-quality mailing list > Aud...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality > > |