From: Gale Andrews <email@example.com>
To: audacity-quality <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Sent: Wed, October 27, 2010 5:03:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Audacity-quality] Track Controls - was: Visibility of sync-lock mini-clock icon in Track Panel
| From Vaughan Johnson <email@example.com
| Tue, 26 Oct 2010 13:17:31 -0700
| Subject: [Audacity-quality] Track Controls - was: Visibility of sync-lock mini-clock icon in Track Panel
> On 10/26/2010 10:49 AM, Gale Andrews wrote:
> > Gale wrote:
> >> If the consensus is to change
"Track Panel", I just hope I or someone can
> >> dream up some other alternative.
> > I had the possible idea of "Track Stub". I don't especially like it, though
> > it might indicate something about its end-position.
> -1. It's a pejorative in general usage -- something incomplete or
> unfinished. It has *no* prior usage as a GUI term, so is non-standard.
> (It does have a computer usage as an incomplete function/method that's a
> placeholder for incomplete functionality.) Position is not the salient
> point about TrackInfo, it's that it contains controls.
Yes, I found that computer usage too, so I'm glad you're -1. And I have
no more "ideas" yet.
> > If we must change "Track Panel", perhaps we should use some other term
> > than "Panel" to make clearer still the distinction with the TrackPanel class?
> > The
two uses of "Panel" and not exactly similar are they?
> Of "Panel" as a concept by itself, yes. But adding "Controls" makes the
> distinction clear.
I think "Track Controls Panel" (apart from being a mouthful) possibly *is*
an improvement for a small minority of knowledgable users. Against that,
as Bill says, TrackPanel doesn't wholly contain controls (in the developer
sense). And as most users understand "control", the only controls it has
are the sliders. Calling it "Track Controls Panel" IMHO creates a day-to-day
problem with user support that QA can do without.
Also, I note other developers have helped with the Manual, especially on
"Audacity for the Impatient":
so presumably accept the usage of "Track Panel" in the Manual?
Plus, the current Manual usage of "Track Panel" is already in the old 1.2
I'm sure a developer (Dominic?) wrote that. See "Click on an
empty part of the track panel(left of the wave display with the mute and
solo buttons)" on:
As far as I can tell, Dominic started the 1.3 Manual, and it has never had
any other term for TrackInfo than "Track Panel".
> Oh, and per my vote suggestion, I think "Project Window" should be
> "Tracks Panel" (and means TrackPanel).
I think "Project Window" in the Manual usually implies the whole window,
so any such change would need thinking about.
Generally, I'm not sure making a user-facing Manual match with Class
descriptions is all that helpful; "panel" in the sense of "TrackPanel" IMO
isn't much like general usage of "panel". If the Manual is to match, we
would *have* to use "TrackPanel" (no space) in the Manual to mean the
Not to do so is equally confusing.
> > Is there any word in software engineering that describes a "thing" placed
> > in a panel, or a "thing" attached to a GUI element in a panel?
> Heh, usually they're "controls"! But that covers display elements,
> whether they "control" anything else, e.g., a static text is a "control"
> in the GUI software terminology sense.
So the "thing" that the multiple controls are on has no description?
I think that's a minefield for users to grasp.
If we were Ardour, I would wholeheartedly go along with you, Vaughan.
But we're not. Many of the first-time computer users who turn up in my
inbox every day wanting help would find the current (excellent) Manual
and even using the Forum a significant challenge. That doesn't mean we
should dumb the Manual down, but its main audience has I think to be
the final consideration.
> > Bill, are you moving to Vaughan's viewpoint, or do you feel "Track Panel"
> > is a historical accident like TrackInfo that's best left as is, given it largely
> > works for the intended audience?
> > Gale
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