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Hello Fernando,
Archimedes' code is now on github:
https://github.com/ArchimedesLabXP2012/Archimedes

The readme should have enough information to get Archimedes working on
Eclipse.
Please let us know if you have any further problems.

Cheers,
Hugo Corbucci
Skype user: hugo.corbucci
Twitter: hugocorbucci

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Fernando Mejia Rodriguez <
mic...@ya...> wrote:

>    Hello,
>    This is Fernando Mejía from México, some months ago I read that
> it is possible to get the source code of Archimedes for Eclipse, and
> I looked for some weeks without any result.
>    Is that possible? Could you help me?
>
>    Regards
>    Fernando Mejía
>
> mic...@ya...
>    ------------------------------
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> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:37:16 -0200
> From: "Hugo \"NighT\" Corbucci" <ni...@gm...>
> Subject: [Archimedes-users] A new list
> To: Archimedes-Users <arq...@li...>
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> Hello everyone,
> I'm sorry we've been so apparently "inactive" and haven't released
> something
> new for a long time.
> We are still working however and because of this, I've asked sourceforge to
> create a new mailing list for us.
> It should be used by translators and the development team to comunicate
> regarding translations to the new Archimedes.
> If you are a translator or wish to become one, please subscribe as soon as
> possible at:
> http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/arquimedes-translators
>
> I'll soon post some news regarding translation in the new archimedes and
> I'm
> sorry to tell the translators that they'll have a lot of work again because
> a lot of their translations will hardly be reusable.
>
> Thank you very much for you patience and sorry for the spam to the
> non-translators.
>
> Friendly,
> --
> Hugo "NighT" Corbucci
> BCC 2003 - IME - USP
> Phone: (55) (11) 5539 3500
> Cel: (55) (11) 8636 9029
> ICQ: 6723586
> MSN: f4f...@ho... (Do NOT use this as an email since I never
> check
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> From: "Mariana Bravo" <ma...@gm...>
> Subject: Re: [Archimedes-users] [Fwd: Re: messaggio al portale
>     arquimedes]
> To: arq...@li...
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> Hi, Davide!
>
> Thanks again for helping us! =)
> I'll answer Luca's email, could you please pass it on to him?
> Here it goes:
>
> First of all, sorry it has taken me so long to answer this.
> Secondly, thank you for the feedback =)
> Archimedes has been going through some changes, but we'll be back with new
> things soon.
>
>
> "I find your project very interesting. I'm an architect and i'd like to
> > give some advices on how an cad for architects should be.
> >
> > I usually use Allplan and i find it to have two important features in
> > comparison with autocad, which is, if I understand well, your model:
> >
>
>
> first: file management.
> > In allplan each aspect of the drawing (plans, sections etc) is a
> > separate file. In a similar way to xref in autocad, you use them
> > together in your drawing or different people can work on them separately
> > and you can see them updated in your drawing every time they save their
> > ones.
>
>
> That does sound like an interesting way to work, but I don't see Archimedes
> going in that direction for a while. I think that there's a bunch of more
> basic stuff that we're missing, and that they're more important. Would you
> agree? Or do you think that having all these features first, and lacking,
> say, dimensions and blocks, would make Archimedes better to work with?
>
> I guess what I'm trying to say is: I agree the software has poor project
> management features, but we're working on basic features first because we
> think it's more important at this stage.
>
> second: selection filters
> > with allplan you can select entities by their attributes: color, line
> > type etc. This is possible since every objects brings several properties
> > like in databases.
>
>
> Well, this sounds a bit easier than the first feature. The first I'd break
> into a bunch of smaller features, but this one is just one or two smaller
> features. This properties used to select entities are layer properties,
> right? Since for now elements can't have different properties from their
> layers, this feature is basicly:
> 1) Make it possible to select all entities belonging to a certain layer;
> and
> 2) Search layers by their properties, so choosing what layer to select is
> easier.
>
> Is that it or did I get it wrong?
>
>
> Thanks again! I'll try not to take so long next time.
>
> Best wishes,
> --
> Mariana Bravo
>
> Celular: (11) 9179 7796
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   Hello,
   This is Fernando Mejía from México, some months ago I read that
it is possible to get the source code of Archimedes for Eclipse, and
I looked for some weeks without any result.
   Is that possible? Could you help me?

   Regards
   Fernando Mejía

mic...@ya...

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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:37:16 -0200
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Hello everyone,
I'm sorry we've been so apparently "inactive" and haven't released something
new for a long time.
We are still working however and because of this, I've asked sourceforge to
create a new mailing list for us.
It should be used by translators and the development team to comunicate
regarding translations to the new Archimedes.
If you are a translator or wish to become one, please subscribe as soon as
possible at:
http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/arquimedes-translators

I'll soon post some news regarding translation in the new archimedes and I'm
sorry to tell the translators that they'll have a lot of work again because
a lot of their translations will hardly be reusable.

Thank you very much for you patience and sorry for the spam to the
non-translators.

Friendly,
-- 
Hugo "NighT" Corbucci
BCC 2003 - IME - USP
Phone: (55) (11) 5539 3500
Cel: (55) (11) 8636 9029
ICQ: 6723586
MSN: f4f...@ho... (Do NOT use this as an email since I never check
it)
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:37:35 -0200
From: "Mariana Bravo" <ma...@gm...>
Subject: Re: [Archimedes-users] [Fwd: Re: messaggio al portale
    arquimedes]
To: arq...@li...
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    <c46...@ma...>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi, Davide!

Thanks again for helping us! =)
I'll answer Luca's email, could you please pass it on to him?
Here it goes:

First of all, sorry it has taken me so long to answer this.
Secondly, thank you for the feedback =)
Archimedes has been going through some changes, but we'll be back with new
things soon.

"I find your project very interesting. I'm an architect and i'd like to
> give some advices on how an cad for architects should be.
>
> I usually use Allplan and i find it to have two important features in
> comparison with autocad, which is, if I understand well, your model:
>

first: file management.
> In allplan each aspect of the drawing (plans, sections etc) is a
> separate file. In a similar way to xref in autocad, you use them
> together in your drawing or different people can work on them separately
> and you can see them updated in your drawing every time they save their
> ones.

That does sound like an interesting way to work, but I don't see Archimedes
going in that direction for a while. I think that there's a bunch of more
basic stuff that we're missing, and that they're more important. Would you
agree? Or do you think that having all these features first, and lacking,
say, dimensions and blocks, would make Archimedes better to work with?

I guess what I'm trying to say is: I agree the software has poor project
management features, but we're working on basic features first because we
think it's more important at this stage.

second: selection filters
> with allplan you can select entities by their attributes: color, line
> type etc. This is possible since every objects brings several properties
> like in databases.

Well, this sounds a bit easier than the first feature. The first I'd break
into a bunch of smaller features, but this one is just one or two smaller
features. This properties used to select entities are layer properties,
right? Since for now elements can't have different properties from their
layers, this feature is basicly:
1) Make it possible to select all entities belonging to a certain layer; and
2) Search layers by their properties, so choosing what layer to select is
easier.

Is that it or did I get it wrong?

Thanks again! I'll try not to take so long next time.

Best wishes,
-- 
Mariana Bravo

Celular: (11) 9179 7796
msn: ma...@gm...
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Hi, Davide!

Thanks again for helping us! =)
I'll answer Luca's email, could you please pass it on to him?
Here it goes:

First of all, sorry it has taken me so long to answer this.
Secondly, thank you for the feedback =)
Archimedes has been going through some changes, but we'll be back with new
things soon.

"I find your project very interesting. I'm an architect and i'd like to
> give some advices on how an cad for architects should be.
>
> I usually use Allplan and i find it to have two important features in
> comparison with autocad, which is, if I understand well, your model:
>

first: file management.
> In allplan each aspect of the drawing (plans, sections etc) is a
> separate file. In a similar way to xref in autocad, you use them
> together in your drawing or different people can work on them separately
> and you can see them updated in your drawing every time they save their
> ones.

That does sound like an interesting way to work, but I don't see Archimedes
going in that direction for a while. I think that there's a bunch of more
basic stuff that we're missing, and that they're more important. Would you
agree? Or do you think that having all these features first, and lacking,
say, dimensions and blocks, would make Archimedes better to work with?

I guess what I'm trying to say is: I agree the software has poor project
management features, but we're working on basic features first because we
think it's more important at this stage.

second: selection filters
> with allplan you can select entities by their attributes: color, line
> type etc. This is possible since every objects brings several properties
> like in databases.

Well, this sounds a bit easier than the first feature. The first I'd break
into a bunch of smaller features, but this one is just one or two smaller
features. This properties used to select entities are layer properties,
right? Since for now elements can't have different properties from their
layers, this feature is basicly:
1) Make it possible to select all entities belonging to a certain layer; and
2) Search layers by their properties, so choosing what layer to select is
easier.

Is that it or did I get it wrong?

Thanks again! I'll try not to take so long next time.

Best wishes,
-- 
Mariana Bravo

Celular: (11) 9179 7796
msn: ma...@gm...

Hello everyone,
I'm sorry we've been so apparently "inactive" and haven't released something
new for a long time.
We are still working however and because of this, I've asked sourceforge to
create a new mailing list for us.
It should be used by translators and the development team to comunicate
regarding translations to the new Archimedes.
If you are a translator or wish to become one, please subscribe as soon as
possible at:
http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/arquimedes-translators

I'll soon post some news regarding translation in the new archimedes and I'm
sorry to tell the translators that they'll have a lot of work again because
a lot of their translations will hardly be reusable.

Thank you very much for you patience and sorry for the spam to the
non-translators.

Friendly,
-- 
Hugo "NighT" Corbucci
BCC 2003 - IME - USP
Phone: (55) (11) 5539 3500
Cel: (55) (11) 8636 9029
ICQ: 6723586
MSN: f4f...@ho... (Do NOT use this as an email since I never check
it)

Hello Troy,
Are you building with ANT?
If you are not, I suggest you do. It's much easier this way. You can 
download ANT at: http://ant.apache.org/
If you are using Eclipse you already have ANT.
Once you have ANT, you'll have to adjust your library folder. You can do 
so in the build.properties file.
Just add:
lib.dir=/full/path/to/your/libs
Beware, you'll have to have "ogl.jar" and "swt.jar" on this folder and I 
suggest you have also the native library (*.so).
Once this is done, you can just run the build: ant build
The output file will be determined by the entry "binary.output.folder" 
in the build.properties file.

If you have any futher problem, please report!

Friendly,
Hugo

Troy MacNeil wrote:
> I'm having a bit of trouble building from source using Eclipse on Ubuntu
> Linux. The final hurdle is that I'm missing the class: 
> org.eclipse.swt.opengl.GLContext 
>
> Since the binary build runs, I initially just copied the jars from my
> binary install to my IDE. I've also tried downloading the latest SWT
> build but it seems to lack this class as well. 
>
> Any help on the exact dependencies would be greatly appreciated. 
>
> Thanks,
> Troy
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I'm having a bit of trouble building from source using Eclipse on Ubuntu
Linux. The final hurdle is that I'm missing the class: 
org.eclipse.swt.opengl.GLContext 

Since the binary build runs, I initially just copied the jars from my
binary install to my IDE. I've also tried downloading the latest SWT
build but it seems to lack this class as well. 

Any help on the exact dependencies would be greatly appreciated. 

Thanks,
Troy

hi everyone,
here a forward and try to translate an email from an italian guy
interested in arquimedes and willing to give some suggestions. Here they
are (summarized) (Italian text below)

"I find your project very interesting. I'm an architect and i'd like to
give some advices on how an cad for architects should be.

I usually use Allplan and i find it to have two important features in
comparison with autocad, which is, if I understand well, your model:

first: file management.
In allplan each aspect of the drawing (plans, sections etc) is a
separate file. In a similar way to xref in autocad, you use them
together in your drawing or different people can work on them separately
and you can see them updated in your drawing every time they save their
ones.

second: selection filters
with allplan you can select entities by their attributes: color, line
type etc. This is possible since every objects brings several properties
like in databases.

What do you think of all this?"

> grazie della pronta risposta !
> In effetti non mi era molto chiaro quale fosse il paese di sviluppo
> del programma, ed =C3=A8 per questo che mi sono permesso di scrivere in
> italiano (visto che era una delle lingue presenti !!!)
> Trovo il vostro progetto molto interessante (sono architetto) e mi
> domandavo se potevo dare un paio di suggerimenti su come dovrebbe
> essere, secondo me, un cad architettonico.
> Sono un utilizzatore di Allplan (non so se lo conosci) e trovo che
> questo cad abbia, rispetto ad Autocad, che se non sbaglio =C3=A8 il vostr=
o
> cad di riferimento, due importanti features che gli altri cad non
> hanno:
>=20
> in primis la gestione dei files: mentre con programmi tipo autocad tu
> disegni all'interno di un file piante, sezioni, prospetti, ecc...
> appesantendolo molto, in Allplan ciascuna pianta, prospetto, sezione,
> viene disegnata su un file separato. E' un po' il concetto degli xref
> di Autocad, ma gestiti in modo automatico quindi molto pi=C3=B9 immediato=
.
> Ci=C3=B2 permette di sovrapporre ad esempio le piante di uno stesso
> edificio, oppure consente a due utenti diversi di lavorare
> contemporaneamente ad uno stesso progetto curando magari uno le piante
> e l'altro i prospetti, in quanto se io lavoro sulle piante posso
> visualizzare in sola lettura i prospetti del mio collega e vederli
> aggiornati ogni qualvolta lui salvi il suo file. Spero di essermi
> spiegato bene.
>=20
> Il secondo concetto che volevo proporre =C3=A8 la possibilit=C3=A0 di ave=
re dei
> filtri: in autocad esistono i filtri di selezione, ma sono
> praticamente inutilizzabili. Con Allplan puoi decidere, ad esempio, di
> cancellare solo le linee rosse continue di spessore 0.2. Questo =C3=A8
> possibile perch=C3=A8 ogni elemento di disegno porta con s=C3=A8 una seri=
e di
> informazioni, come all'interno di un database, facilmente
> interrogabili attraverso query.
>=20
> Grazie mille, fammi sapere cosa ne pensi
> Ciao, Luca
>=20

bye
	davide

Hello Fabio,

thanks for the response.
It might be, that i missed the answer because of the spam-overload of 
the last weeks at my e-mail-address.
I hope to finish the manual-translation to the end of january.
I have simple too much work to make it earlier, since i still also plan 
to convert the manuals to the docbook format.
My first translated manual-parts sound too technical and i think about 
making this smoother.

About the encoding:
later i found out, that the font-problem is focused on the credits-text.
Maybe this is intended to have special characters ;-)

For the future conversation:
would it be better to switch to the forum (i have no problem with that) 
or stay in the list?

Have a nice day
Mario Fichtenmayer

Hello everyone,
I'm here to update you guys a little bit. First of all: We are NOT dead! :)

We gave ourselves a couple weeks vacations on December which were enlarged
by our lack of time. We should be restarting to work this week and I'll try
to release an unstable version this weekend.

It should, however, take us a few more weeks to release anything stable. We
are passing through a major change in our platform.
We are migrating from SWT platform (where we handled all the windows and
events and class loading) to an RCP platform (that handles all this to
provide extensibility via plugins). This is taking quite some time because
it requires that we reorganize and move about 50% of Archimedes.
This platform is the one used by Eclipse, Azureus and a couple of other
great softwares that work under Java.

The advantage we will get from this migration is to provide an API to
develop powerful plug-ins for Archimedes. We expect this to accelerate
Archimedes' development since people can just develop any plug-in they like
and make it available here or somewhere else.

I hope we manage to finish the transition in about 2 weeks but after that we
will have need a couple more weeks to implement that last features for this
release and finally release a stable version. We hope after this next stable
(0.18.x) we will have at most 2 more stable versions until the 1.0 version.
This means that at most in 3 months we have a first version that can be
"decently" used.

Now, concerning the major downside of Archimedes so far:
We believe we won't have much time to implement DXF and DWG support so we
are looking for someone willing to do this. If no one does, we will probably
only manage to have something around May.

Another issue I heard is that AutoCAD's interface is not the best one
possible. We don't have any idea of a better interface but I would really
like if someone tried to develop another interface using the perspective
idea (an RCP feature) and I'm ready to help anyone doing so.

That's about all I can update you so far.

Friendly,
-- 
Hugo "NighT" Corbucci
BCC 2003 - IME - USP
Phone: (55) (11) 5539 3500
ICQ: 6723586
MSN: f4f...@ho... (Do NOT use this as an email since I never check
it)

Hi Mario

First of all, i'm part of the Archimedes Development Team, altough i'm the
newest member. I started Deutsch class six months ago, so i'm especially
interested on a German translation.

I was viewing the sourceforge Archimedes page and noticed that your last
message was not answered, at least not in the mailing list. If you didn't
recieved any feedback at all, I apologize for this. Your help is really
important to us

About your problems, I don't have knowledge of TeX too, so I'm not the most
indicated to help you in this point. But about the property-files, our svn
character enconding is ISO-8859-1, this may help. I'm not in my computer
right now, so I can't read the your translations files, but I'll test it
soon as possible, so I can offer a better support

If Mary already contacted you by a other way this message is quite useless.
If you want to, you can send any question to me. I'll remenber the people
here about the list too

My apologies for my late reply again

Fabio Firmo

Oi Mariana,

i waited for a reaction before i wrote more details ;-)

About my background:
I'm studying economical informatics at the university of Mannheim / germany.
My main topics were computer graphics, software development (mainly in 
java) and logistics.
OK, the last point isn't useful for archimedes, i know ;-)
Since a practical training a few years ago i'm also a fan of eclipse and 
the rich client platform.

I made also experiences in using cad-programs (Nemetschek and AutoCAD), 
because before university i learned and worked at
an engineer's office for steel structures as a technical drawer for 
about three years.
But this is six years ago and since then i only used 3d-programs like 
Cinema4D (not any more)
and recently Rhino3D and Blender (planned) for pet projects like you can 
see on my homepage.
But i miss a simple to use tool which gives me the possibilites to 
construct fast and exact 3d-structures.

So you see, Archimedes is a huge source for ideas and experiences for me.

There is yet another personal reason for me to do this.
I'm originally brazilian. :-)
But i grew up in germany, so unfortunately i never learned portugues :-(
I try to overcome this disability, but until i feel save in the language 
i prefer to write in english
(needs only a few years ;-)).

But now back to the subject:
I have an issue with the documentation:
I had heavy problems to build the pdf out of the tex-sources under windows.
For example the file estilo.sty was missing in the sources, but i 
googled it in your old repository(?).
But even with this i got some errors during building (finally i got a 
more or less complete pdf in portugues).
I try to write the german version as a docbook-file, which is said to be 
easily convertible to pdf/tex.
This is only a test, i have no experience with this, so i don't know yet 
whether this is a better alternative.
I let you know when i finished it.
The contents are another point.
Perhaps i overread it, but i haven't found a description of the 
Leader-command.
I left this out in the translation of the property-files, till i know 
the function of it.

There might be yet another issue with the property files concerning the 
special letters like ä,ö,ü in german
or the portugues letters (com os acentos agudo, circunflexo e grave por 
exemplo).
I don't know whether you can read words like "rückgängig" as they are 
supposed to be.
They work on german systems but under other languages i have no idea.
I have to invest solutions like unicode for this before i write more 
about it.

That's it for now.

I wish you a nice day

Mario

Hi, Mario!

Sorry it took us a while to answer. We had a busy weekend =)

Thanks a lot for the german translation, we'll definately include it in the
next release.
And yes, it would be cool if you could translate the user manual. I must
say, though, it isn't always up to date with the program. So if you see
anything that's different, tell us about it so we may correct it in the
other versions too =)

And about programming, that would be nice. Do you know Java?
Let's keep in touch about this.

Have a nice translation =D

Mariana

On 11/4/06, Mario Fichtenmayer <ma...@da...> wrote:
>
> hi all,
>
> i did a quick translation of the property-files in german.
>
> If you can use them, grap the zip-file with them here:
> http://www.dampf-fabrik.de/renderman/Archimedes.zip
>
> If you want, i could translate as next the user-manual, but this will
> need at least a week of time.
>
> I'm very interested in helping this project, not only with translation,
> also with programming.
> When i've finished the manual-translation i let you know.
>
> have a nice time
> Mario Fichtenmayer
>
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hi all,

i did a quick translation of the property-files in german.

If you can use them, grap the zip-file with them here:
http://www.dampf-fabrik.de/renderman/Archimedes.zip

If you want, i could translate as next the user-manual, but this will 
need at least a week of time.

I'm very interested in helping this project, not only with translation, 
also with programming.
When i've finished the manual-translation i let you know.

have a nice time
Mario Fichtenmayer

Hugo,

I like (extremely) the idea of an AutoCAD converter (so much so that I wish
that I'd thought of that), I've recently contributed a (biggish) script to
AoI (coming out of my desire for a kind of opening up of the possibilities
of scripting & modelling/animation), a link is on the AoI & RepRap forums
(I've gotten some nice responses)...however, AoI uses BeanShell (the other
one of the two primary Shell languages of Java, groovy being the 'blessed'
child) & frankly, I am (having learnt Perl long, long ago) seriously
thinking about Ruby (especially since Java have welcomed it (JRuby) on board
recently)..

I was researching X3D import/export for AoI, but the prospect of Ruby-ing up
a system that converts AutoLISP code (&, now I think of it MELScript from
Maya for AoI)... well, there's an expression we Irish use.. it pisses from a
height upon any X3D import/export project...

So, if you'd like that kind of code being worked on as part of Archimedes,
just say 'go'....I'm definitely working on it anyway for AoI.. I will post a
comment too (free of charge (heh heh)!) on RepRap & FabLab about
Archimedes...

I'm currently assessing the workability of my setting up a FabLab on Irish
soil (I've got office space that I'm not using...)

regards,

K

On 10/26/06, Hugo NighT Corbucci <ni...@gm...> wrote:
>
> Hello Kevin,
>
> 2006/10/26, Kevin Zwolf <myd...@gm...>:
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > I hope I am using the right list here, I've just begun working a little
> > on your Archimedes & like what you've done...
>
>
> This is the correct list. Don't worry about the other list, just me and
> Mariana are allowed to post in it so you didn't bothered us at all. Of
> course, I'm glad you liked what we're doing and would like to add we're just
> starting. We hope to go much further.
>
> I've been surveying the state of Open Source CAD software (I've worked w/
> > Art of Illusion too (see www.artofillusion.org) which is a
> > Modelling/Animation package written using Java) & how such projects overlap.
> >
> > I'm aware that the Archimedes project is focussing on Architecture as
> > its 'domain' but given the evolving nature of Architecture (I've for a long
> > time admired the work of R. B. Fuller) & the relationship between
> > Architecture, Product Development & Biomimetics (e.g:www.tumbletruss.com/Design
> > *Biomimetics*Survey.pdf ), I am wondering how the Archimedes community
> > view the development of Archimedes alongside that of 'Art of Illusion', the
> > 'RepRap' project & the 'FabLabs' projects from MIT, Norway & so on?
>
>  I know, for example, that RepRap uses Art of Illusion, but as Art of
> > Illusion uses a different axes notation than say AutoCAD & (especially) as
> > Art of Illusion draws 'shapes' from the 'centrepoint' versus a 'corner',
> > drawing using Art of Illusion presents problems for some users...
> >
> Again, while I am aware that the goal of the Archimedes project is one
> > focussing on Architecture, I can see a possibly fruitful collaboration.....
>
>
>
> The fact is we never even heard about those projects (btw thanks for the
> refs). We'll take a look on those projects and if there is something in
> common between them, we'll surely contact their staff to talk a bit about
> our common development. Maybe even establish a cooperative model, who knows?
> :)
>
> Another point, & something that I can offer, is the development perhaps of
> > scripting for Archimedes: has the 'project team' any definite views on this?
> > AutoCAD uses AutoLisp & (ahem!) VB... Art of Illusion uses the language
> > BeanShell... Ruby, Groovy & even things like hyperfun (see
> > http://cis.k.hosei.ac.jp/~F-rep/HF_proj.html<http://cis.k.hosei.ac.jp/%7EF-rep/HF_proj.html>)
> > are all possibilities....
> >
> I've got (some) experience writing (some) of these languages (& Java) too,
> > obviously, being Irish, I speak English... so I can hopefully help the
> > 'team' some way (& not just raise questions)...
>
>
> We have a view about scripting, however, it is very far away from
> definite. :) We will, probably, allow AutoLisp (or create a convertor)
> someday so that architects that have AutoLisp routines won't loose the job
> done. But obviously we would prefer to work with something a bit higher
> level. Personally I've been studying Groovy and Ruby and Mariana will
> probably study a bit of Python soon since those are the script language
> closer to Java (in the meaning that they are Object Oriented).
> In any situation, your opinion about this is very welcome. Since none of
> this is implemented and won't be so soon, we have some time to discuss about
> it.
> I think I'll create a developer and collaborators list where this
> discussion would be more appropriate but, for now, we can talk about it
> here. :)
>
> Finally, I work part-time as an educator (mostly Mathematics & Physics) &
> > have just completed a(n) MSc (a School of Art & Design, the School of
> > Architecture was 'just next door') & I think that the most significant want
> > out there is software that is 'free' & is 'promoted'...
> >
> > Much of the CAD/3D software out there I wouldn't promote, even if it is
> > free (Blender, for example, is 'way too demanding' on learners)... I would
> > (& will) promote Archimedes... but, that said, I can see how by making the
> > most of the fact that a number of diverse projects are written using Java
> > (the network is not just the network of computing systems), the future of
> > such projects is 'sunnier' if we (the entire open software community) start
> > joining the dots...
>
>
> As for promotion, we can only thank you very much. Joining the dots in
> Java may not be as simple as it would seems now. The fact is the programming
> languages are not yet so friendly for that although Java has some very
> decent RMI system. Anyway, we hope we'll connect Archimedes to as many
> projects as possible in order to give the user all the freedom he might ask
> (praying Sun will open Java) and we'll do our best to bring Archimedes as
> close as possible to AutoCAD in the usability line.
>
> Finally at the end of the year or the beginning of next, we hope to try a
> bit of distributed pair  programming in Archimedes so maybe you could join
> us in a few programming sessions. :)
>
> See you soon,
> --
> Hugo "NighT" Corbucci
> BCC 2003 - IME - USP
> Phone: (55) (11) 5539 3500
> Cell Phone: (55) (11) 8293 6882
> ICQ: 6723586
> MSN: f4f...@ho... (Do NOT use this as an email since I never
> check it)
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>
>

Hello Kevin,

2006/10/26, Kevin Zwolf <myd...@gm...>:
>
> Folks,
>
> I hope I am using the right list here, I've just begun working a little on
> your Archimedes & like what you've done...

This is the correct list. Don't worry about the other list, just me and
Mariana are allowed to post in it so you didn't bothered us at all. Of
course, I'm glad you liked what we're doing and would like to add we're just
starting. We hope to go much further.

I've been surveying the state of Open Source CAD software (I've worked w/
> Art of Illusion too (see www.artofillusion.org) which is a
> Modelling/Animation package written using Java) & how such projects overlap.
>
> I'm aware that the Archimedes project is focussing on Architecture as its
> 'domain' but given the evolving nature of Architecture (I've for a long time
> admired the work of R. B. Fuller) & the relationship between Architecture,
> Product Development & Biomimetics (e.g:www.tumbletruss.com/Design*
> Biomimetics*Survey.pdf ), I am wondering how the Archimedes community view
> the development of Archimedes alongside that of 'Art of Illusion', the
> 'RepRap' project & the 'FabLabs' projects from MIT, Norway & so on?

I know, for example, that RepRap uses Art of Illusion, but as Art of
> Illusion uses a different axes notation than say AutoCAD & (especially) as
> Art of Illusion draws 'shapes' from the 'centrepoint' versus a 'corner',
> drawing using Art of Illusion presents problems for some users...
>
Again, while I am aware that the goal of the Archimedes project is one
> focussing on Architecture, I can see a possibly fruitful collaboration.....

The fact is we never even heard about those projects (btw thanks for the
refs). We'll take a look on those projects and if there is something in
common between them, we'll surely contact their staff to talk a bit about
our common development. Maybe even establish a cooperative model, who knows?
:)

Another point, & something that I can offer, is the development perhaps of
> scripting for Archimedes: has the 'project team' any definite views on this?
> AutoCAD uses AutoLisp & (ahem!) VB... Art of Illusion uses the language
> BeanShell... Ruby, Groovy & even things like hyperfun (see
> http://cis.k.hosei.ac.jp/~F-rep/HF_proj.html<http://cis.k.hosei.ac.jp/%7EF-rep/HF_proj.html>)
> are all possibilities....
>
I've got (some) experience writing (some) of these languages (& Java) too,
> obviously, being Irish, I speak English... so I can hopefully help the
> 'team' some way (& not just raise questions)...

We have a view about scripting, however, it is very far away from definite.
:) We will, probably, allow AutoLisp (or create a convertor) someday so that
architects that have AutoLisp routines won't loose the job done. But
obviously we would prefer to work with something a bit higher level.
Personally I've been studying Groovy and Ruby and Mariana will probably
study a bit of Python soon since those are the script language closer to
Java (in the meaning that they are Object Oriented).
In any situation, your opinion about this is very welcome. Since none of
this is implemented and won't be so soon, we have some time to discuss about
it.
I think I'll create a developer and collaborators list where this discussion
would be more appropriate but, for now, we can talk about it here. :)

Finally, I work part-time as an educator (mostly Mathematics & Physics) &
> have just completed a(n) MSc (a School of Art & Design, the School of
> Architecture was 'just next door') & I think that the most significant want
> out there is software that is 'free' & is 'promoted'...
>
> Much of the CAD/3D software out there I wouldn't promote, even if it is
> free (Blender, for example, is 'way too demanding' on learners)... I would
> (& will) promote Archimedes... but, that said, I can see how by making the
> most of the fact that a number of diverse projects are written using Java
> (the network is not just the network of computing systems), the future of
> such projects is 'sunnier' if we (the entire open software community) start
> joining the dots...

As for promotion, we can only thank you very much. Joining the dots in Java
may not be as simple as it would seems now. The fact is the programming
languages are not yet so friendly for that although Java has some very
decent RMI system. Anyway, we hope we'll connect Archimedes to as many
projects as possible in order to give the user all the freedom he might ask
(praying Sun will open Java) and we'll do our best to bring Archimedes as
close as possible to AutoCAD in the usability line.

Finally at the end of the year or the beginning of next, we hope to try a
bit of distributed pair  programming in Archimedes so maybe you could join
us in a few programming sessions. :)

See you soon,
-- 
Hugo "NighT" Corbucci
BCC 2003 - IME - USP
Phone: (55) (11) 5539 3500
Cell Phone: (55) (11) 8293 6882
ICQ: 6723586
MSN: f4f...@ho... (Do NOT use this as an email since I never check
it)

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Kevin Zwolf <myd...@gm...>
Date: Oct 26, 2006 3:33 PM
Subject: Bom dia! from Ireland
To: arq...@li...

Folks,

I hope I am using the right list here, I've just begun working a little on
your Archimedes & like what you've done...

I've been surveying the state of Open Source CAD software (I've worked w/
Art of Illusion too (see www.artofillusion.org) which is a
Modelling/Animation package written using Java) & how such projects overlap.

I'm aware that the Archimedes project is focussing on Architecture as its
'domain' but given the evolving nature of Architecture (I've for a long time
admired the work of R. B. Fuller) & the relationship between Architecture,
Product Development & Biomimetics (e.g:

www.tumbletruss.com/Design*Biomimetics*Survey.pdf

                                                             ), I am
wondering how the Archimedes community view the development of Archimedes
alongside that of 'Art of Illusion', the 'RepRap' project & the 'FabLabs'
projects from MIT, Norway & so on?

I know, for example, that RepRap uses Art of Illusion, but as Art of
Illusion uses a different axes notation than say AutoCAD & (especially) as
Art of Illusion draws 'shapes' from the 'centrepoint' versus a 'corner',
drawing using Art of Illusion presents problems for some users...

Again, while I am aware that the goal of the Archimedes project is one
focussing on Architecture, I can see a possibly fruitful collaboration.....

Another point, & something that I can offer, is the development perhaps of
scripting for Archimedes: has the 'project team' any definite views on this?
AutoCAD uses AutoLisp & (ahem!) VB... Art of Illusion uses the language
BeanShell... Ruby, Groovy & even things like hyperfun (see
http://cis.k.hosei.ac.jp/~F-rep/HF_proj.html<http://cis.k.hosei.ac.jp/%7EF-rep/HF_proj.html>)
are all possibilities....

I've got (some) experience writing (some) of these languages (& Java) too,
obviously, being Irish, I speak English... so I can hopefully help the
'team' some way (& not just raise questions)...

Finally, I work part-time as an educator (mostly Mathematics & Physics) &
have just completed a(n) MSc (a School of Art & Design, the School of
Architecture was 'just next door') & I think that the most significant want
out there is software that is 'free' & is 'promoted'...

Much of the CAD/3D software out there I wouldn't promote, even if it is free
(Blender, for example, is 'way too demanding' on learners)... I would (&
will) promote Archimedes... but, that said, I can see how by making the most
of the fact that a number of diverse projects are written using Java (the
network is not just the network of computing systems), the future of such
projects is 'sunnier' if we (the entire open software community) start
joining the dots...

Ate (+ an accent) Breve!

Kevin

mail: mydublinaddress 'via' gmail.com

Hi, Ned!

Thanks a lot for the support!
We'll be waiting for your feedback after your testing =)

As for version 1.0, well... Yes, this is "Uni" work, but we don't have any
deadlines related to software version or functionalities (not with the
university anyway).

I can tell you, though, that the idea for version 1.0 is that it may be
acceptable for use in teaching courses for architecture. That's the goal
we've set, together with the architects that work with us.
They think we're pretty close =) What do you think? Is there anything that's
definately missing, considering this goal?
For the next release, the big step will be dimensions. The basics yet:
linear, orthogonal. We'll also have splines, we'll complete trim to work
with closed elements, and filleting with arc greater than 0.

As for the translation, there isn't much mistery. You dowonload the Attesoro
software at http://attesoro.org/ and we send you our translation files. Then
you just have to open each file in Attesoro, add a new language and start
translating.
I'll see about sending you the translation files, and a bit more detailed
explanation later =)

So long!
Mariana

On 10/25/06, ned haughton <nau...@gm...> wrote:
>
> hey team.
> just like to say bloody good job. Archimedes is starting to look really
> good. I should get around to some more testing soon (bit busy this week).
>
> one thing I'd like to know - what's the plan for version 1.0? I know
> this is a project to do with Uni, so do you have to have a 1.0 version
> out by a certain time? do you know what it's going to look like?
>
> also, I may be able to start a german translation some time in the next
> couple of weeks. let me know how to go about it.
>
> cheers
> ned
>
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hey team.
just like to say bloody good job. Archimedes is starting to look really 
good. I should get around to some more testing soon (bit busy this week).

one thing I'd like to know - what's the plan for version 1.0? I know 
this is a project to do with Uni, so do you have to have a 1.0 version 
out by a certain time? do you know what it's going to look like?

also, I may be able to start a german translation some time in the next 
couple of weeks. let me know how to go about it.

cheers
ned

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<Frank>: How can vegetarians possibly love the environment? you keep eating all the fucking plants

Ok! :)

2006/10/20, Davide Pesenti <mr...@mr...>:
>
> Using the trim command I fount a strange behaviour i put on this file:
> http://mrjive.it/~mrjive/video/arquimedes_trim_bug.mpeg
> which seems a bug in the trim command but in reality it is that the
> rectangle tool does not create a closed polygone but an open polyline.

We know about this. Trimming closed objects shouldn't be working yet.
However it is planned for the next stable release so in a couple of weeks,
it should be working.

-- 
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BCC 2003 - IME - USP
Phone: (55) (11) 5539 3500
Cell Phone: (55) (11) 8293 6882
ICQ: 6723586
MSN: f4f...@ho... (Do NOT use this as an email since I never check
it)

Il giorno ven, 20/10/2006 alle 11.40 -0200, Hugo "NighT" Corbucci ha
scritto:
> find out wether you can or not add translations

i see "translate into italian" but i get a "Insufficient privileges"
error.

chao

	davide

2006/10/20, Davide Pesenti <mr...@mr...>:
>
> It seems it doesn't work. Are you using googletalk?

I am... and was. Going to lunch now.. :\

-- 
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BCC 2003 - IME - USP
Phone: (55) (11) 5539 3500
Cell Phone: (55) (11) 8293 6882
ICQ: 6723586
MSN: f4f...@ho... (Do NOT use this as an email since I never check
it)

Il giorno ven, 20/10/2006 alle 16.21 +0200, Davide Pesenti ha scritto:
> the rectangle tool does not create a closed polygone but an open polyline.

the same if you make a new polyline and the type "c" to close

	davide

Using the trim command I fount a strange behaviour i put on this file:
http://mrjive.it/~mrjive/video/arquimedes_trim_bug.mpeg
which seems a bug in the trim command but in reality it is that the
rectangle tool does not create a closed polygone but an open polyline.

I think it should be a closed polygon, what do you tink?

	davide

Il giorno ven, 20/10/2006 alle 11.40 -0200, Hugo "NighT" Corbucci ha
scritto:
> Try it. It would be easier if we could talk through it.

It seems it doesn't work. Are you using googletalk?

	davide

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