anygui-users

RE: [Anygui-users] spam

[Clark, C. <Chr...@ca...>]

Do you have to join the group to post or did they just email the group? =
If so is there anyway to lock the group down to just member only posts?

Chris

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From: Marie Perez [mailto:trb...@ne...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 12:39 PM

Spam....

Re: [Anygui-users] spam

[Magnus L. H. <ma...@he...>]

Clark, Chris <Chr...@ca...>:
>
> Do you have to join the group to post or did they just email the
> group? If so is there anyway to lock the group down to just member
> only posts?

I guess it's possible, but I see the advantage of people being allowed
to post questions without having to subscribe. (Some might see that as
bad netiquette anyway -- I don't know...)

Any other opinions on this? I get tons of spam anyway, and it all (or
most of it) goes in my spam filter, so for me it's not a problem... If
you (Chris) and others find it problematic, I could close the list
(i.e. make it possible to post only for members).

> Chris

-- 
Magnus Lie Hetland               "Nothing shocks me. I'm a scientist." 
http://hetland.org                                   -- Indiana Jones

Re: [Anygui-users] spam

[Arent K. v. Heijningen[106016.3614] <ki...@xs...>]

At 2003/04/03 22:03:01 Magnus Lie Hetland wrote:
magnus> I guess it's possible, but I see the advantage of people being allowed
magnus> to post questions without having to subscribe. (Some might see that as
magnus> bad netiquette anyway -- I don't know...)
magnus> 
magnus> Any other opinions on this? I get tons of spam anyway, and it all (or
magnus> most of it) goes in my spam filter, so for me it's not a problem... If
magnus> you (Chris) and others find it problematic, I could close the list
magnus> (i.e. make it possible to post only for members).
magnus> 
magnus> > Chris
magnus> 
magnus> -- 

Unfortunately this will only work if the list is hosted/mirrored on your own domain on a server wich is completely controlled by the domain administrator 
With a list that is hosted off-domain , you are in effect at the mercy of their ( the company that hosts the listserv ) policies with respect to commercial off-topic posts , they allow commercial off-topic posts through in return for -undisclosed- fees ( of course within limits ! ) 
Compare it with television , either you pay the licence fee for advertising-free programming ( NRK )  or put up with advertisements ( TV 2 , p4 hele norges radio )
With mailing lists , however  there's no vetting of incoming commercial messages and both downstream providers as well as subscribers have to bear the cost of transmitting and downloading
So you have either to pay ( in both money and time ) for on-domain hosting/mirroring or put up wit a -limited - amount of commercial off-topic posts 
There's no message on the message here , so this is a cross-section of spam that passes over the Internet in general 
k 

Re: [Anygui-users] spam

[Magnus L. H. <ma...@he...>]

Arent Kits van Heijningen[106016.3614] <ki...@xs...>:
>
[snip]
> Unfortunately this will only work if the list is hosted/mirrored on
> your own domain on a server wich is completely controlled by the
> domain administrator 
> With a list that is hosted off-domain , you are in effect at the
> mercy of their ( the company that hosts the listserv ) policies with
> respect to commercial off-topic posts , they allow commercial
> off-topic posts through in return for -undisclosed- fees ( of course
> within limits ! ) 

Not sure what you mean here. The request was to close the list to
outside posters. Are you saying that that is not possible? The
following is available in the config interface:

Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only)
[Yes/No]

[snip]
> So you have either to pay ( in both money and time ) for on-domain
> hosting/mirroring or put up wit a -limited - amount of commercial
> off-topic posts 

I still don't quite understand what you mean. If the list were closed,
it would certainly be possible for spammers to subscribe to the list,
but that's not a very likely course of events. Any mail sent by
non-subscribers would simply bounce.

I'm sure I'm just being dense, but I don't understand the link between
what you're saying here and the issue at hand...

Also, FYI, SourceForge has spam filters in place, and I bet they take
care of a lot of spam. Of all the spam I receive each day (*lots!*),
hardly anything comes from SourceForge lists.

For more info on the SF efforts, see
http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=9484&group_id=1#top

> k 

-- 
Magnus Lie Hetland               "Nothing shocks me. I'm a scientist." 
http://hetland.org                                   -- Indiana Jones

[Anygui-users] Re: spam

[sylvain H. <she...@pr...>]

Well I don't understand why sourceforge doesn't automaticaaly check for spam 
before sending posts to ml.

It should be possible for the sf team I guess. 


Magnus Lie Hetland writes: 

> Clark, Chris <Chr...@ca...>:
>>
>> Do you have to join the group to post or did they just email the
>> group? If so is there anyway to lock the group down to just member
>> only posts?
> 
> I guess it's possible, but I see the advantage of people being allowed
> to post questions without having to subscribe. (Some might see that as
> bad netiquette anyway -- I don't know...) 
> 
> Any other opinions on this? I get tons of spam anyway, and it all (or
> most of it) goes in my spam filter, so for me it's not a problem... If
> you (Chris) and others find it problematic, I could close the list
> (i.e. make it possible to post only for members). 
> 
>> Chris
> 
> -- 
> Magnus Lie Hetland               "Nothing shocks me. I'm a scientist." 
> http://hetland.org                                   -- Indiana Jones 
> 
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Re: [Anygui-users] spam

[Herb J. <hjo...@pl...>]

I joined the users maillist specifically to ask a question, and I'll
monitor the list for awhile. (Although I had to join via the author's WEb
page as sourceforge's form to join the list kept failing on me.) Seems to
me an obligation to join to POST, but an open READ privledge, is not
unreasonable. I was surprised to see some spam, but I assumed that some
members of the list had viruses which responded to any mailings with
spam. Even locking out non-members will not stop that kind of spam unless
the administrator removes those users, if such users can be determined.
Certainly if a signifigant portion of maillist traffic becomes commercial
spam, and the traffic is more than several a week, I'd unsbuscribe. Those
are my considerations for what they are worth.

Herb Johnson


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