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How to create the scrolled table with AnyGUI?

                                         Anton.

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I think Magnus has been busy for the near term so development has slowed.
More people working on this will obviously help things.

At this time I am watching the project with interest, but have not done much
beyond the tutorial.

Once the project reaches a level of maturity, I think it will be
self-sufficent and attract lots more patches.
This would be exciting because the concept here is so good... not everyone
*wants* to develop GUIs "for" GTK, Qt, or Win32. :-)

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From: "Quiet" <i-...@na...>
To: <us...@an...>; <de...@an...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 6:58 AM
Subject: [Anygui-users] Future of AnyGUI

>   Hello :-)
> I use on the Python.
> I want to use AnyGUI.
> Whether the project will develop further?
> The version which can be received from 2002.
> As far as the current version is completed and stable?
> Whether soon there will be a new version?
>
>
>                                      Anton.
>
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  Hello :-)
I use on the Python.
I want to use AnyGUI.
Whether the project will develop further?
The version which can be received from 2002.
As far as the current version is completed and stable?
Whether soon there will be a new version?

                                     Anton.

Please, mailto:i-...@na...

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  Hello :-)
Has found mistakes in AnyGUI.
If to use Tkinter it is necessary to transfer
strings in Unicode.

________________________________________________________
from anygui.backends.tkgui import *

win = Window(title=unicode('...string...', 'KOI8-R'), size=(200,100))

bt1 = Button(left=10, width=50, height=30, text=unicode('...string...', 'KOI8-R'))
win.add(bt1)

app = Application()
app.add(win)
app.run()
________________________________________________________

In others GUI (for example in wxWindow, TextGUI)
strings should be In the coding given OS.

________________________________________________________
from anygui.backends.wxgui import *

win = Window(title='...string...', size=(200,100))

bt1 = Button(left=10, width=50, height=30, text='...string...')
win.add(bt1)

app = Application()
app.add(win)
app.run()
________________________________________________________

Make uniform style for anyone GUI.
I offer all strings to transfer in Unicode.

                                      Anton.

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Magnus Lie Hetland <ma...@he...> writes:

> Does anyone have an answer to this? (The poster is not, AFAIC, a member
> of either Anygui list, so please Cc.)
> 
> From: "sum trix" <sum...@ho...>
> Subject: [Anygui-users] window creation doesn't work after some socket calls in msw
> To: us...@an...
> Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 01:38:35 +0000
> 
> 
> The window created after accept() appears and dissappears instantly in msw 
> on Windows. Sometimes the window appears in a "hanged" state and doesn't 
> respond to its event queue. It seems to work in tk, but I had similar code 
> with a SOCK_DGRAM that would hang in msw and tk when creating a window after 
> recv().
> 
> Is this a problem with specific backends or creating windows in a thread?

AFAIK, this belongs in the category "don't do this".
The gui should run in only *one* thread.

Thomas

Does anyone have an answer to this? (The poster is not, AFAIC, a member
of either Anygui list, so please Cc.)

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From: "sum trix" <sum...@ho...>
To: us...@an...
Subject: [Anygui-users] window creation doesn't work after some socket ca=
lls in msw
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 01:38:35 +0000

The window created after accept() appears and dissappears instantly in ms=
w=20
on Windows. Sometimes the window appears in a "hanged" state and doesn't=20
respond to its event queue. It seems to work in tk, but I had similar cod=
e=20
with a SOCK_DGRAM that would hang in msw and tk when creating a window af=
ter=20
recv().

Is this a problem with specific backends or creating windows in a thread?

from anygui import *
from threading import *
from socket import *

def socket_accept():
  s =3D socket(AF_INET, SOCK_STREAM)
  s.bind(('', 8001))
  s.listen(1)

  create_window('works here too')

  s1 =3D s.accept()[0]
  print 'accepted'

  create_window('not working')

def create_window(title):
  win =3D Window(title=3Dtitle)
  btn =3D Button(text=3D'Click')
  win.add(btn)
  app.add(win)

app =3D Application()

t =3D Thread(None, socket_accept, None, (), {})
t.start()

create_window('works here')
app.run()

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The window created after accept() appears and dissappears instantly in msw 
on Windows. Sometimes the window appears in a "hanged" state and doesn't 
respond to its event queue. It seems to work in tk, but I had similar code 
with a SOCK_DGRAM that would hang in msw and tk when creating a window after 
recv().

Is this a problem with specific backends or creating windows in a thread?

from anygui import *
from threading import *
from socket import *

def socket_accept():
   s = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_STREAM)
   s.bind(('', 8001))
   s.listen(1)

   create_window('works here too')

   s1 = s.accept()[0]
   print 'accepted'

   create_window('not working')

def create_window(title):
   win = Window(title=title)
   btn = Button(text='Click')
   win.add(btn)
   app.add(win)

app = Application()

t = Thread(None, socket_accept, None, (), {})
t.start()

create_window('works here')
app.run()

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Prabhu Ramachandran <pr...@ae...>:
>
> >>>>> "MLH" == Magnus Lie Hetland <ma...@he...> writes:
> 
> [ MLH on setting the list to member_posting_only ]
> 
>     MLH> This need not be a permanent and irrevocable thing, but I
>     MLH> wouldn't want to see people unsubscribing because of spam,
>     MLH> so...
> 
> Should not be a problem at all because emails from unsubscribed users
> are held for moderation.  So the list-admin can "approve" them if
> he/she think it appropriate.

Yes -- I noticed that, as my own message about this change was held
for moderation... I've change my from-header since I subscribed :)

> his increases the admin's load but seems to me the best option to
> prevent spam and yet let the decent messages through.

Yup. I get tons of spam anyway, so a little more doesn't hurt :)

> cheers,
> prabhu

-- 
Magnus Lie Hetland               "Nothing shocks me. I'm a scientist." 
http://hetland.org                                   -- Indiana Jones

>>>>> "MLH" == Magnus Lie Hetland <ma...@he...> writes:

[ MLH on setting the list to member_posting_only ]

    MLH> This need not be a permanent and irrevocable thing, but I
    MLH> wouldn't want to see people unsubscribing because of spam,
    MLH> so...

Should not be a problem at all because emails from unsubscribed users
are held for moderation.  So the list-admin can "approve" them if
he/she think it appropriate.  This increases the admin's load but
seems to me the best option to prevent spam and yet let the decent
messages through.

cheers,
prabhu

I was a bit reluctant, because I didn't want to shut people out, but,
considering the low traffic here lately, and the relative prevalence
of spam (even though there have, AFAICS, only been three messages), I
have now restricted posting privileges to list members, as requested.
Anyone can still subscribe, but you must subscribe in order to be able
to send to the list.

This need not be a permanent and irrevocable thing, but I wouldn't
want to see people unsubscribing because of spam, so...

-- 
Magnus Lie Hetland               "Nothing shocks me. I'm a scientist." 
http://hetland.org                                   -- Indiana Jones

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I joined the users maillist specifically to ask a question, and I'll
monitor the list for awhile. (Although I had to join via the author's WEb
page as sourceforge's form to join the list kept failing on me.) Seems to
me an obligation to join to POST, but an open READ privledge, is not
unreasonable. I was surprised to see some spam, but I assumed that some
members of the list had viruses which responded to any mailings with
spam. Even locking out non-members will not stop that kind of spam unless
the administrator removes those users, if such users can be determined.
Certainly if a signifigant portion of maillist traffic becomes commercial
spam, and the traffic is more than several a week, I'd unsbuscribe. Those
are my considerations for what they are worth.

Herb Johnson

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Arent Kits van Heijningen[106016.3614] <ki...@xs...>:
>
[snip]
> Unfortunately this will only work if the list is hosted/mirrored on
> your own domain on a server wich is completely controlled by the
> domain administrator 
> With a list that is hosted off-domain , you are in effect at the
> mercy of their ( the company that hosts the listserv ) policies with
> respect to commercial off-topic posts , they allow commercial
> off-topic posts through in return for -undisclosed- fees ( of course
> within limits ! ) 

Not sure what you mean here. The request was to close the list to
outside posters. Are you saying that that is not possible? The
following is available in the config interface:

Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only)
[Yes/No]

[snip]
> So you have either to pay ( in both money and time ) for on-domain
> hosting/mirroring or put up wit a -limited - amount of commercial
> off-topic posts 

I still don't quite understand what you mean. If the list were closed,
it would certainly be possible for spammers to subscribe to the list,
but that's not a very likely course of events. Any mail sent by
non-subscribers would simply bounce.

I'm sure I'm just being dense, but I don't understand the link between
what you're saying here and the issue at hand...

Also, FYI, SourceForge has spam filters in place, and I bet they take
care of a lot of spam. Of all the spam I receive each day (*lots!*),
hardly anything comes from SourceForge lists.

For more info on the SF efforts, see
http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=9484&group_id=1#top

> k 

-- 
Magnus Lie Hetland               "Nothing shocks me. I'm a scientist." 
http://hetland.org                                   -- Indiana Jones

Well I don't understand why sourceforge doesn't automaticaaly check for spam 
before sending posts to ml.

It should be possible for the sf team I guess. 

Magnus Lie Hetland writes: 

> Clark, Chris <Chr...@ca...>:
>>
>> Do you have to join the group to post or did they just email the
>> group? If so is there anyway to lock the group down to just member
>> only posts?
> 
> I guess it's possible, but I see the advantage of people being allowed
> to post questions without having to subscribe. (Some might see that as
> bad netiquette anyway -- I don't know...) 
> 
> Any other opinions on this? I get tons of spam anyway, and it all (or
> most of it) goes in my spam filter, so for me it's not a problem... If
> you (Chris) and others find it problematic, I could close the list
> (i.e. make it possible to post only for members). 
> 
>> Chris
> 
> -- 
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> http://hetland.org                                   -- Indiana Jones 
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At 2003/04/03 22:03:01 Magnus Lie Hetland wrote:
magnus> I guess it's possible, but I see the advantage of people being allowed
magnus> to post questions without having to subscribe. (Some might see that as
magnus> bad netiquette anyway -- I don't know...)
magnus> 
magnus> Any other opinions on this? I get tons of spam anyway, and it all (or
magnus> most of it) goes in my spam filter, so for me it's not a problem... If
magnus> you (Chris) and others find it problematic, I could close the list
magnus> (i.e. make it possible to post only for members).
magnus> 
magnus> > Chris
magnus> 
magnus> -- 

Unfortunately this will only work if the list is hosted/mirrored on your own domain on a server wich is completely controlled by the domain administrator 
With a list that is hosted off-domain , you are in effect at the mercy of their ( the company that hosts the listserv ) policies with respect to commercial off-topic posts , they allow commercial off-topic posts through in return for -undisclosed- fees ( of course within limits ! ) 
Compare it with television , either you pay the licence fee for advertising-free programming ( NRK )  or put up with advertisements ( TV 2 , p4 hele norges radio )
With mailing lists , however  there's no vetting of incoming commercial messages and both downstream providers as well as subscribers have to bear the cost of transmitting and downloading
So you have either to pay ( in both money and time ) for on-domain hosting/mirroring or put up wit a -limited - amount of commercial off-topic posts 
There's no message on the message here , so this is a cross-section of spam that passes over the Internet in general 
k 

Clark, Chris <Chr...@ca...>:
>
> Do you have to join the group to post or did they just email the
> group? If so is there anyway to lock the group down to just member
> only posts?

I guess it's possible, but I see the advantage of people being allowed
to post questions without having to subscribe. (Some might see that as
bad netiquette anyway -- I don't know...)

Any other opinions on this? I get tons of spam anyway, and it all (or
most of it) goes in my spam filter, so for me it's not a problem... If
you (Chris) and others find it problematic, I could close the list
(i.e. make it possible to post only for members).

> Chris

-- 
Magnus Lie Hetland               "Nothing shocks me. I'm a scientist." 
http://hetland.org                                   -- Indiana Jones

Do you have to join the group to post or did they just email the group? =
If so is there anyway to lock the group down to just member only posts?

Chris

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On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 00:47, Magnus Lie Hetland wrote:
> Herb Johnson <hjo...@pl...>:
> >
> > 
> > I'm also running anygui 0.1.1 under Win32 (win98), under Python 2.2
> > and the 0.8 Idle IDE. WHen running anygui apps under Idle, when
> > the app "completes" control does not return to Idle and restores
> > the Idle "prompt".
> 
> You can't really expect a GUI toolkit to work when run from IDLE,
> which uses its own GUI toolkit (Tkinter) -- even if your back-end is
> the same (i.e. Tkinter). You'll get two event loops and whatnot.

Might be worth giving IDLEfork a try - http://idlefork.sf.net

> > Instead text entry is permitted in the Idle
> > window, the Idle pull-down menus function. Attempts to exit
> > Idle result in no change to that condition. In fact I have to
> > use the Close Program window TWICE to terminate the Idle/Python
> > task.
> 
> Because you have two GUI event loops running.
> 
> As far as I can see, this is not Anygui's fault.
> 
> > I've read in the tutorial about use of ANYGUI_FORCE_CURSES, but
> > setting that variable to a text string (which should be interpreted
> > as "true") does not change the behaviour described.
> 
> There is no reason to believe that you have support for curses inside
> Tkinter.
> 
> [snip]
> > In short, what is necessary to use anygui in the win32/idle environment,
> > as opposed to the DOS command line?
> 
> Put it in a file named something.pyw and double-click it?
-- 
Kind regards
David

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Herb Johnson <hjo...@pl...>:
>
> 
> I'm also running anygui 0.1.1 under Win32 (win98), under Python 2.2
> and the 0.8 Idle IDE. WHen running anygui apps under Idle, when
> the app "completes" control does not return to Idle and restores
> the Idle "prompt".

You can't really expect a GUI toolkit to work when run from IDLE,
which uses its own GUI toolkit (Tkinter) -- even if your back-end is
the same (i.e. Tkinter). You'll get two event loops and whatnot.

> Instead text entry is permitted in the Idle
> window, the Idle pull-down menus function. Attempts to exit
> Idle result in no change to that condition. In fact I have to
> use the Close Program window TWICE to terminate the Idle/Python
> task.

Because you have two GUI event loops running.

As far as I can see, this is not Anygui's fault.

> I've read in the tutorial about use of ANYGUI_FORCE_CURSES, but
> setting that variable to a text string (which should be interpreted
> as "true") does not change the behaviour described.

There is no reason to believe that you have support for curses inside
Tkinter.

[snip]
> In short, what is necessary to use anygui in the win32/idle environment,
> as opposed to the DOS command line?

Put it in a file named something.pyw and double-click it?

-- 
Magnus Lie Hetland               "Nothing shocks me. I'm a scientist." 
http://hetland.org                                   -- Indiana Jones

I'm also running anygui 0.1.1 under Win32 (win98), under Python 2.2
and the 0.8 Idle IDE. WHen running anygui apps under Idle, when
the app "completes" control does not return to Idle and restores
the Idle "prompt". Instead text entry is permitted in the Idle
window, the Idle pull-down menus function. Attempts to exit
Idle result in no change to that condition. In fact I have to
use the Close Program window TWICE to terminate the Idle/Python
task.

I've read in the tutorial about use of ANYGUI_FORCE_CURSES, but
setting that variable to a text string (which should be interpreted
as "true") does not change the behaviour described. Closing all the
windows opened by the anygui app has no effect. And I'm too new
a Python programmer to use the "try/except SystemExit hack" mentioned
in a previous reply.

In short, what is necessary to use anygui in the win32/idle environment,
as opposed to the DOS command line?

Also, testbackend.py produces many "hello world" strings and multiple
buttons under Idle, and exhibits the same behavior as described above.It
indicates the current backend is "tk" (tkgui).

Herb Johnson

Scott Prive <sco...@ea...>:
>
[snip]
> >
> > Thanks -- but I have no idea how to fix this.
> 
> You might consider posting a "TODO:" webpage or CVS file. That way any
> curious passers-by who look at the webpage (but not join the list) might see
> tasks they can do. I do not know installer scripts myself and my current
> priority is learning more Perl/Python (I'm unemployed).
> 
> If no one improves the installer some months down the road, I'll look at the
> installer.

The point is that this is a Distutils problem, not an Anygui problem;
at least as far as I can see. You could post a bug report to
distutils, perhaps.

[snip]
> That sounds perfect to me. I'll upgrade to 0.2; hopefully I can provide some
> good testing feedback.

That would be great -- just don't expect everything to work yet :]

[snip]
> Having a single, abstract API for UI - still with text support -  is a
> fantastic goal (...and one that I wish the GNOME/KDE projects considered
> more).

Thanks. I still have faith in the goal and the long-term fate of the
project, although -- as you may well have noticed -- things are quite
slow at the moment. Thorough testing might speed up the upcoming alpha
release, though, so go ahead and thrash out those bugs :)

(And you might want to check out the TODO and KNOWN_BUGS files.)

-- 
Magnus Lie Hetland               "Nothing shocks me. I'm a scientist." 
http://hetland.org                                   -- Indiana Jones

----- Original Message -----
From: "Magnus Lie Hetland" <ma...@he...>
To: <any...@li...>
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Anygui-users] Tutorial: in mswgui, click Event generates
traceback (AS Python 2.2)

[...]
> > These comments are intended to be
> > understood -not- as complaints but as suggestions. :-)
>
> Thanks -- but I have no idea how to fix this.

You might consider posting a "TODO:" webpage or CVS file. That way any
curious passers-by who look at the webpage (but not join the list) might see
tasks they can do. I do not know installer scripts myself and my current
priority is learning more Perl/Python (I'm unemployed).

If no one improves the installer some months down the road, I'll look at the
installer.

>
> > What is the "state" of anygui 0.2?

> The internals have been completely refactored and rewritten. 0.2 more
> or less works ... not all that far from a release in terms of
functionality

That sounds perfect to me. I'll upgrade to 0.2; hopefully I can provide some
good testing feedback.

The thing that really has me excited about this is the fallback all the way
to text- or curses- mode. Brewnix (brewnix.sf.net) has *two* independent
GUI's that are incomplete and lack feature parity. What's worse is those
efforts have stalled due to life's unexpected problems, and the authors are
no longer available for help.

Having a single, abstract API for UI - still with text support -  is a
fantastic goal (...and one that I wish the GNOME/KDE projects considered
more).

Scott Prive <sco...@ea...>:
>
> OK; thanks. That link helps.
> 
> FYI -- those that install anygui 0.1.1 do not get this guide. The file does
> not exist on the hard drive,

I suppose that's a problem with the default Windows installer that
comes with Distutils, in that case. Very strange, though, as all the
documentation is present in the tar-file (try to download the 0.1.1
tar.gz file).

> nor is there a "program group" with a browser
> link to online documentation.

Again -- I just used the default Windows installer switch with
distutils.

> These comments are intended to be
> understood -not- as complaints but as suggestions. :-)

Thanks -- but I have no idea how to fix this.

> What is the "state" of anygui 0.2? Are there major limitations or
> regressions that would cause problems for users? Or is it simply no one's
> had time to QA & package it?  At this time I don't know what the version
> differences are.

The internals have been completely refactored and rewritten. 0.2 more
or less works, but, as you say, we haven't had time to QA and package
it. In this context, the QA would probably include implementing some
missing functionality etc. It's not all that far from a release in
terms of functionality, but I don't think there will be a release for
at least a couple of months, judging from the current activity.

> cheers,
> 
> Scott

-- 
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