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From: Marisa D. <ma...@di...> - 2007-02-19 14:48:52
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on 2/18/2007 5:21 PM Moira Clunie wrote: > > What would your requirements be for an alternative text renderer? Have > you looked at Mozilla Firefox lately? It's free and Open Source, > supports the CSS standard more thoroughly than IE (i.e. more options for > visual display of text) and has better support for XML (i.e. would work > more easily for DAISY 3). It's also cross-platform which would make it > easier to make Mac or Linux versions of AMIS. Firefox (or, more generally, the Gecko engine) meets all of the requirements except one: it looks like a lot of work to embed in a windows application. This is the only area where IE has the advantage (you literally just drop it in). At one time someone was working on an Active X control for Gecko, but there isn't much activity lately, as far as I can tell. On Linux, Gecko will be as easy to embed as IE in windows, since it's built into one (or more?) toolkits. > I don't think it has > built-in SMIL support yet though, and it might not work quite so well > with major screen readers - e.g. JAWS only officially supports Firefox > from version 7.0. We do our own SMIL support, so that's no problem :) As for screenreaders, we have a developer who has done JFW scripts for AMIS which I believe override some of the web browser controls, so it could be that people aren't even using the embedded web browser like they would use a regular browser. > Another downside is that it's not installed by default > on most people's computers - but since it's Open Source, perhaps the > relevant bits could be bundled into the AMIS installation? I think we can work around this, you're right, we could just include the right files with our own installer. Thanks for bringing this up, it is periodically on my mind. There would be a lot of advantages to using Mozilla once the initial challenges were out of the way. Marisa |
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From: Daniel W. <dan...@gm...> - 2007-02-19 15:38:36
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Hi ! I have no experience with Mozilla's ActiveX browser control, but here are my thoughts anyway. The source code is hosted at Mozilla's: http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/embedding/browser/activex/src/ control/ ...and as you can see there's not much activity lately. Adam Lock is the person who maintains the ActiveX control: http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/mozilla.htm If we were braver (and had more time on our hands), we could try the XPCOM embedded browser control: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xpcom/book/cxc/html/index.html ...but the ActiveX component integration is way easier and would permit to easily switch between IE and Gecko. Daniel/ On 19 Feb 2007, at 14:48, Marisa DeMeglio wrote: > on 2/18/2007 5:21 PM Moira Clunie wrote: >> >> What would your requirements be for an alternative text renderer? >> Have >> you looked at Mozilla Firefox lately? It's free and Open Source, >> supports the CSS standard more thoroughly than IE (i.e. more >> options for >> visual display of text) and has better support for XML (i.e. would >> work >> more easily for DAISY 3). It's also cross-platform which would >> make it >> easier to make Mac or Linux versions of AMIS. > > Firefox (or, more generally, the Gecko engine) meets all of the > requirements except one: it looks like a lot of work to embed in a > windows application. This is the only area where IE has the advantage > (you literally just drop it in). At one time someone was working > on an > Active X control for Gecko, but there isn't much activity lately, > as far > as I can tell. On Linux, Gecko will be as easy to embed as IE in > windows, since it's built into one (or more?) toolkits. > > >> I don't think it has >> built-in SMIL support yet though, and it might not work quite so well >> with major screen readers - e.g. JAWS only officially supports >> Firefox >> from version 7.0. > > We do our own SMIL support, so that's no problem :) As for > screenreaders, we have a developer who has done JFW scripts for AMIS > which I believe override some of the web browser controls, so it could > be that people aren't even using the embedded web browser like they > would use a regular browser. > >> Another downside is that it's not installed by default >> on most people's computers - but since it's Open Source, perhaps the >> relevant bits could be bundled into the AMIS installation? > > I think we can work around this, you're right, we could just > include the > right files with our own installer. > > Thanks for bringing this up, it is periodically on my mind. There > would > be a lot of advantages to using Mozilla once the initial challenges > were > out of the way. > > Marisa |
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From: Daniel W. <dan...@gm...> - 2007-02-19 17:58:58
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I forgot to say: There is an installer for the pre-built activeX component: http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/control.htm#download This is useful for letting the user install the component separately, but in most cases it would be nicer to have AMIS embed the browser. In other words, linking "mozctlx.dll" and writing the C++ code directly inside AMIS. There is a short primer here: http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/control.htm#usingC ...they claim porting from IE to MOZILLA is as simple as swapping CLSID_Browser with CLSID_MozillaBrowser !! ;) Should be easy ;0) Dan/ On 19 Feb 2007, at 15:38, Daniel Weck wrote: > Hi ! > I have no experience with Mozilla's ActiveX browser control, but > here are my thoughts anyway. > > The source code is hosted at Mozilla's: > > http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/embedding/browser/activex/ > src/control/ > > ...and as you can see there's not much activity lately. > > Adam Lock is the person who maintains the ActiveX control: > > http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/mozilla.htm > > If we were braver (and had more time on our hands), we could try > the XPCOM embedded browser control: > > http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xpcom/book/cxc/html/index.html > > ...but the ActiveX component integration is way easier and would > permit to easily switch between IE and Gecko. > > Daniel/ > > > On 19 Feb 2007, at 14:48, Marisa DeMeglio wrote: >> on 2/18/2007 5:21 PM Moira Clunie wrote: >>> >>> What would your requirements be for an alternative text renderer? >>> Have >>> you looked at Mozilla Firefox lately? It's free and Open Source, >>> supports the CSS standard more thoroughly than IE (i.e. more >>> options for >>> visual display of text) and has better support for XML (i.e. >>> would work >>> more easily for DAISY 3). It's also cross-platform which would >>> make it >>> easier to make Mac or Linux versions of AMIS. >> >> Firefox (or, more generally, the Gecko engine) meets all of the >> requirements except one: it looks like a lot of work to embed in a >> windows application. This is the only area where IE has the >> advantage >> (you literally just drop it in). At one time someone was working >> on an >> Active X control for Gecko, but there isn't much activity lately, >> as far >> as I can tell. On Linux, Gecko will be as easy to embed as IE in >> windows, since it's built into one (or more?) toolkits. >> >> >>> I don't think it has >>> built-in SMIL support yet though, and it might not work quite so >>> well >>> with major screen readers - e.g. JAWS only officially supports >>> Firefox >>> from version 7.0. >> >> We do our own SMIL support, so that's no problem :) As for >> screenreaders, we have a developer who has done JFW scripts for AMIS >> which I believe override some of the web browser controls, so it >> could >> be that people aren't even using the embedded web browser like they >> would use a regular browser. >> >>> Another downside is that it's not installed by default >>> on most people's computers - but since it's Open Source, perhaps the >>> relevant bits could be bundled into the AMIS installation? >> >> I think we can work around this, you're right, we could just >> include the >> right files with our own installer. >> >> Thanks for bringing this up, it is periodically on my mind. There >> would >> be a lot of advantages to using Mozilla once the initial >> challenges were >> out of the way. >> >> Marisa |
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From: Guillaume du B. <gui...@ce...> - 2007-02-19 16:25:09
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Hello, You may just e-mail Adam Lock to ask him about ActiveX control status ? Maybe the Gecko embedding API is stable enough so the ActiveX does not need any change. Just an idea, And thanks for the good work with AMIS, Regards, Guillaume du Bourguet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Weck" <dan...@gm...> To: "AMIS development list" <ami...@li...> Cc: "AMIS end-user list" <ami...@li...> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [Amis-devl] [Amis-users] Internet explorer 7. > Hi ! > I have no experience with Mozilla's ActiveX browser control, but here > are my thoughts anyway. > > The source code is hosted at Mozilla's: > > http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/embedding/browser/activex/src/ > control/ > > ...and as you can see there's not much activity lately. > > Adam Lock is the person who maintains the ActiveX control: > > http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/mozilla.htm > > If we were braver (and had more time on our hands), we could try the > XPCOM embedded browser control: > > http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xpcom/book/cxc/html/index.html > > ...but the ActiveX component integration is way easier and would > permit to easily switch between IE and Gecko. > > Daniel/ > > > On 19 Feb 2007, at 14:48, Marisa DeMeglio wrote: >> on 2/18/2007 5:21 PM Moira Clunie wrote: >>> >>> What would your requirements be for an alternative text renderer? >>> Have >>> you looked at Mozilla Firefox lately? It's free and Open Source, >>> supports the CSS standard more thoroughly than IE (i.e. more >>> options for >>> visual display of text) and has better support for XML (i.e. would >>> work >>> more easily for DAISY 3). It's also cross-platform which would >>> make it >>> easier to make Mac or Linux versions of AMIS. >> >> Firefox (or, more generally, the Gecko engine) meets all of the >> requirements except one: it looks like a lot of work to embed in a >> windows application. This is the only area where IE has the advantage >> (you literally just drop it in). At one time someone was working >> on an >> Active X control for Gecko, but there isn't much activity lately, >> as far >> as I can tell. On Linux, Gecko will be as easy to embed as IE in >> windows, since it's built into one (or more?) toolkits. >> >> >>> I don't think it has >>> built-in SMIL support yet though, and it might not work quite so well >>> with major screen readers - e.g. JAWS only officially supports >>> Firefox >>> from version 7.0. >> >> We do our own SMIL support, so that's no problem :) As for >> screenreaders, we have a developer who has done JFW scripts for AMIS >> which I believe override some of the web browser controls, so it could >> be that people aren't even using the embedded web browser like they >> would use a regular browser. >> >>> Another downside is that it's not installed by default >>> on most people's computers - but since it's Open Source, perhaps the >>> relevant bits could be bundled into the AMIS installation? >> >> I think we can work around this, you're right, we could just >> include the >> right files with our own installer. >> >> Thanks for bringing this up, it is periodically on my mind. There >> would >> be a lot of advantages to using Mozilla once the initial challenges >> were >> out of the way. >> >> Marisa > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share > your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > _______________________________________________ > Amis-devl mailing list > Ami...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amis-devl > |
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