Re: [Amforth-devel] Starting with amforth v4

[pito <pi...@vo...>]

Hi Matthias,
yes the work under XP with amforth v4 and AVR Studio is easy (begginers
luck..), no issue, I am not using any .py scripts yet. Except the device.asm
path issue it was quick to start. The Forfiter is a simple but useful
forth terminal where you can set the CR delay and it may wait on the
"ok" response as well so uploading works nice.
My previous Q to the interactivity - so my understanding is you may delete
words from flash w/o burning new image. However let us mind the atmel
flash and eeprom endurance..
Pito



> Hi pito,
> 
> > Dear friends,
> > I've just started with amforth and I would be happy
> > to ask expets following:
> > > In the version 4 there is a feature which stops me
> > to compile succesfuly
> > > in the template.asm:
> > ....These files include the *def.inc from atmel internally.
> > > .include "device.asm"......
> > 
> > I had to change to:
> > ...These files include the *def.inc from atmel internally.
> > > .include "devices/atmega32/device.asm".....
> > in order to compile.
> 
> I just wrote a little page at
> http://amforth.sourceforge.net/porting.html that may
> be useful. (and to
> answer Leons question as well). Feel free to comment
> or (if possible)
> send me a better one. I may edit it anyway later on...
> 
> > I am using AVR studio under XP. It works great.
> 
> Yeah, since I do not really use the studio, I cannot
> give any assistance. My world is Linux and Make/ant,
> 
> despite the fact that I use the Atmel assembler with
> 
> the wine tool ;=)
> 
> > I am using Forfiter for uploading the words.
> 
> Well, my czech is not that good to praise it ;=)
> 
> > 2. I am new with forth (I am learning it because
> > I want to design a FPGA
> > > based forth procesor) so I've tried to add new words
> > from examples -
> > > however, some examples require to have defined additional
> > words, which
> > > are not included in the fresh compilation from the
> > template. I've read
> > > the docs there but - pls be so kind and do advise
> > me in which dict_*.inc
> > > shall I include missing *.asm word definitions? Is
> > there any "full version"
> > > which compiles all the words from your distribution
> > - all those in \amforth-4.0\core\words?
> > > And how to delete a word from flash when interactivly
> > added? With forget
> > > (..not there) or marker?
> 
> I use the amforth-upload.py a lot. Just have a look
> at the howto
> section. With it I can keep the assembly code as little
> as possible
> (forth code is much better maintainable than assembly).
> 
> 
> For those who want to convert forth source code into
> assembler syntax
> Michael Kalus wrote a smart utility. With it you can
> include the
> generated files in your dict_appl.inc file. Michaels
> tool is called
> g4 and can be found at http://www.forth-ev.de/trac/browser/g4
> 
> And finally: the dict-files from the template/ directory
> contain most of
> the pre-defined words. Either directly or via the dict_xy
> files fromthe
> core directory. There are only a very few that are
> not included (you
> won't miss them initially).
> 
> And yes, marker is the word you need. Just upload the
> lib/ans/postpone.frt and lib/ans94/marker.frt in that
> order
> to your controller. I droped FORGET in order to get
> the
> word list feature simple.
> 
> 
> Matthias