Re: [Alsa-user] BugTracker

[Bill U. <un...@ph...>]

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> 4. I have no reason to suspect incoming spam filters or any email problem,
> when from the home page text it is obvious that I am probably being filtered
> out by that spam filter that "silently-ignores" some servers, or just as
> likely it is a developers only facility.  That is why I say the page should

It is obvious? Why then did you try at all?

> say clearly
> whether it is for all users, or developers only, and probably some web page
> feedback of any action, rejection, or problem.
> If the email hits a spam filter, then the web page give some feedback using
> the web page iself !!!!

What? The email program is not the web page. And putting something onto a
web page which everyone can read for only one person is not a good idea. 
I am sorry but you should know about your own email service. If you do not,
then running around blaming others is a very bad idea.

>
> 4. You expect me to disable a spam system for the benefit of one of your
> emailers.   Yet the ALSA home page
> says that because of spammers it will "silently ignore" email from
> "open-relays".  So ALSA can have a spam system but I should not?

Of course noone expects you to do anything. You may do as you wish. Just do
not blame others when your system does not work. It is YOU that wanted a
response. It is YOU who asked for a response and was upset when he did not
get it because your system was set up stupidly. You can set your system up
however you want. Just do not scream and yell at others when it is your
system that screws up.


>
> 5. How can I put this one ALSA email sender on a whitelist when I do not
> know the email address it is sending from !!

That is up to you! You or your ISP set up your system. If it does not
behave as you want it to, change it. Do not expect the rest of the world to
alter themselves to comply with your decisions. That is both dumb ( they
will not do it no matter how much your yell and shout) and incredibly rude
( asking others for help and then yelling at them for not putting themselves
out even more than they have to comply with your own little bureacracy).

> And why would I even think of doing that when the ALSA home page talks about
> "silently-ignoring" any email server
> on one of its lists.  Your login page could say that "If you do not get a

Not mine. I am simply another user.

> response then check your spam filters for email from <web address>".
> I expect you will fight this suggestion too, WHY !

Why should they? Should they also put in "If alsa does not work, please
make sure that your computer is plugged in" because it might be that there
are actually users out there who do not know that computers need to be
plugged in to work? Playing around with alsa development should only be
done by people who have a minimum familiarity with computers. And knowing
that spam filters sometimes filter out desireable messages is so basic that
your ranting at them for not stating it just makes you look foolish.


>
> 6. What in the heck is in that confirmation message that makes it look like
> SPAM in the first place, that is not in the confirmation
> messages from the mailing list subscription.

It is not. Your system is apparently set up so that anyone replying to you MUST answer
an email from your system before their message is delivered. If you do not
understand your own system, please talk to your provider to explain it to
you.


>
> 7.  From your problems sending email, it is more likely that your email
> server is listed on a blacklist of spammers.
> With so many systems being taken over, and with email spoofing, how can you
> be sure.
>
> 8. How can I answer any of the spam filter questions from this side of the
> spam filter.  At minimum I need a copy of the message that
> was supposed to be sent me, that did not get through (At least the header).

That is your problem. You put in a filter, you live with the consequences. 
The rest of the world is not there to cow to your every whim.
(Note the message I sent was posted to this mailing list as well.)