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[Alphacocoa-devel] [alphacocoa:tickets] #133 undo / redo

[Sylvain L. <syl...@us...>]

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** [tickets:#133] undo / redo**

**Status:** open
**Created:** Tue May 09, 2017 07:47 AM UTC by Sylvain Loiseau
**Last Updated:** Tue May 09, 2017 07:47 AM UTC
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This is rather a RFE : do you think it could be possible to have a "redo" command together with the "undo" ?


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[Alphacocoa-devel] [alphacocoa:tickets] #133 undo / redo

[Bernard D. <bde...@us...>]

There is already: `shift-cmd-Z`.


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** [tickets:#133] undo / redo**

**Status:** open
**Created:** Tue May 09, 2017 07:47 AM UTC by Sylvain Loiseau
**Last Updated:** Tue May 09, 2017 07:47 AM UTC
**Owner:** nobody


This is rather a RFE : do you think it could be possible to have a "redo" command together with the "undo" ?


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Re: [Alphacocoa-devel] [alphacocoa:tickets] #133 undo / redo

[Sylvain L. <syl...@un...>]

sorry… I was pretty sure it was somewhere around :-)

I think it could be useful (for new users looking for function in the menu) to have it as a distinct and visible entry in the menu.

Best,
Sylvain

> Le 9 mai 2017 à 15:14, Bernard Desgraupes <bde...@us...> a écrit :
> 
> There is already: shift-cmd-Z.
> 
> [tickets:#133] undo / redo
> 
> Status: open
> Created: Tue May 09, 2017 07:47 AM UTC by Sylvain Loiseau
> Last Updated: Tue May 09, 2017 07:47 AM UTC
> Owner: nobody
> 
> This is rather a RFE : do you think it could be possible to have a "redo" command together with the "undo" ?
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Re: [Alphacocoa-devel] [alphacocoa:tickets] #133 undo / redo

[Christopher S. <Chr...@un...>]

For what little it is worth, I have long felt that many of the default
menu settings are tailored for very small screens, the LaTeX menu being a
good example, but certainly not the only one.  I think that it is great
that it is possible to configure menus to be compact, if say working on a
laptop, but I am not sure that is it is all that desirable if working on a
desktop machine which, these days, is likely to have much more extensive
real estate available.  The problem, as seen here, is that you only ever
discover these hidden possibilities if you inadvertently have the correct
meta-key pressed when the menu is open, a low probability event. This
leads to unnecessary frustration.  If it were ever up for discussion then
I would support the default configuration being for all menus to be
expanded (while retaining the option of making them compact if desired).

Cheers, Chris.







On 9/05/2017 11:25 pm, "Sylvain Loiseau" <syl...@un...>
wrote:

>sorryŠ I was pretty sure it was somewhere around :-)
>
>I think it could be useful (for new users looking for function in the
>menu) to have it as a distinct and visible entry in the menu.
>
>Best,
>Sylvain
>
>> Le 9 mai 2017 à 15:14, Bernard Desgraupes <bde...@us...> a
>>écrit :
>> 
>> There is already: shift-cmd-Z.
>> 
>> [tickets:#133] undo / redo
>> 
>> Status: open
>> Created: Tue May 09, 2017 07:47 AM UTC by Sylvain Loiseau
>> Last Updated: Tue May 09, 2017 07:47 AM UTC
>> Owner: nobody
>> 
>> This is rather a RFE : do you think it could be possible to have a
>>"redo" command together with the "undo" ?
>> 
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Re: [Alphacocoa-devel] [alphacocoa:tickets] #133 undo / redo

[Bernard D. <bde...@or...>]

Hi Sylvain,

There is a distinct entry but you see it in the menu only when you press the shift key (undo changes to redo).
This is the side effect of dynamic menus that some functionalities are hidden sometimes. It has become a reflex for me to always press a modifier key when I am looking for something in a menu.

Cheers,
Bernard

Le 9 mai 2017 à 15:25, Sylvain Loiseau <syl...@un...> a écrit :

> sorry… I was pretty sure it was somewhere around :-)
> 
> I think it could be useful (for new users looking for function in the menu) to have it as a distinct and visible entry in the menu.
> 
> Best,
> Sylvain
> 
>> Le 9 mai 2017 à 15:14, Bernard Desgraupes <bde...@us...> a écrit :
>> 
>> There is already: shift-cmd-Z.
>> 
>> [tickets:#133] undo / redo
>> 
>> Status: open
>> Created: Tue May 09, 2017 07:47 AM UTC by Sylvain Loiseau
>> Last Updated: Tue May 09, 2017 07:47 AM UTC
>> Owner: nobody
>> 
>> This is rather a RFE : do you think it could be possible to have a "redo" command together with the "undo" ?
>> 
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[Alphacocoa-devel] [alphacocoa:tickets] Re: #133 undo / redo

[Chris S. <cs...@us...>]

For what little it is worth, I have long felt that many of the default
menu settings are tailored for very small screens, the LaTeX menu being a
good example, but certainly not the only one.  I think that it is great
that it is possible to configure menus to be compact, if say working on a
laptop, but I am not sure that is it is all that desirable if working on a
desktop machine which, these days, is likely to have much more extensive
real estate available.  The problem, as seen here, is that you only ever
discover these hidden possibilities if you inadvertently have the correct
meta-key pressed when the menu is open, a low probability event. This
leads to unnecessary frustration.  If it were ever up for discussion then
I would support the default configuration being for all menus to be
expanded (while retaining the option of making them compact if desired).

Cheers, Chris.







On 9/05/2017 11:25 pm, "Sylvain Loiseau" <syl...@un...>
wrote:

>sorryŠ I was pretty sure it was somewhere around :-)
>
>I think it could be useful (for new users looking for function in the
>menu) to have it as a distinct and visible entry in the menu.
>
>Best,
>Sylvain
>
>> Le 9 mai 2017 à 15:14, Bernard Desgraupes <bde...@us...> a
>>écrit :
>> 
>> There is already: shift-cmd-Z.
>> 
>> [tickets:#133] undo / redo
>> 
>> Status: open
>> Created: Tue May 09, 2017 07:47 AM UTC by Sylvain Loiseau
>> Last Updated: Tue May 09, 2017 07:47 AM UTC
>> Owner: nobody
>> 
>> This is rather a RFE : do you think it could be possible to have a
>>"redo" command together with the "undo" ?
>> 
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>
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** [tickets:#133] undo / redo**

**Status:** open
**Created:** Tue May 09, 2017 07:47 AM UTC by Sylvain Loiseau
**Last Updated:** Tue May 09, 2017 01:14 PM UTC
**Owner:** nobody


This is rather a RFE : do you think it could be possible to have a "redo" command together with the "undo" ?


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[Alphacocoa-devel] [alphacocoa:tickets] #133 undo / redo

[Bernard D. <bde...@us...>]

There is indeed a preference to disable the dynamic menus and have all the menu items displayed simultanelously. It really makes some menus quite big and navigation more complicated. My feeling is that the menus are already big enough in their dynamic state but I'd be glad to hear other opinions.
Anyway, the preference is *Use Dynamic Menus* in the *Menus* panel of *Alpha ↣ Preferences ↣ Global Preferences*.



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** [tickets:#133] undo / redo**

**Status:** open
**Created:** Tue May 09, 2017 07:47 AM UTC by Sylvain Loiseau
**Last Updated:** Tue May 09, 2017 01:14 PM UTC
**Owner:** nobody


This is rather a RFE : do you think it could be possible to have a "redo" command together with the "undo" ?


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Re: [Alphacocoa-devel] [alphacocoa:tickets] #133 undo / redo

[Sylvain L. <syl...@un...>]

My opinion is that it is one of the nice feature of Alpha and I should have found that Redo menu. Plus, it is the very standard shortcut for it.

I also feel that it is reasonable to expect a new user to learn 4-5 key features of a new app that are really useful and pervasive, and in order to use Alpha one have to learn, for instance, that (1) in order to insert the « tab » char you have to use alt-tab and that (2) « paired functions » are (i) linked to the same menu entry dynamically changed by alt and/or (ii) have the same shortcut modulo the alt modifier, and so on.

However, maybe undo/redo should be treated differently because:
- it is very standard in every app to have the two functions as the first two items in the Edit menu
- it is not the alt modifier, and there are few cases where the shift key change dynamically the menu (I found « Sort Lines »~« Sort paragraph » in « Text » menu and « Find Next »~« Find Previous » in « Search » Menu. « Find previous » is also a very basic functionality that one may feel frustrating not to found in the first place. Again this is the standard shortcut, I guess I found it because I did _not_ search it... in the menu). Maybe dynamic menu could be limited to « alt » and the three shift-modified menu items treated as static menu?

Best,
Sylvain

> Le 9 mai 2017 à 18:53, Bernard Desgraupes <bde...@us...> a écrit :
> 
> There is indeed a preference to disable the dynamic menus and have all the menu items displayed simultanelously. It really makes some menus quite big and navigation more complicated. My feeling is that the menus are already big enough in their dynamic state but I'd be glad to hear other opinions.
> Anyway, the preference is Use Dynamic Menus in the Menus panel of Alpha ↣ Preferences ↣ Global Preferences.
> 
> [tickets:#133] undo / redo
> 
> Status: open
> Created: Tue May 09, 2017 07:47 AM UTC by Sylvain Loiseau
> Last Updated: Tue May 09, 2017 01:14 PM UTC
> Owner: nobody
> 
> This is rather a RFE : do you think it could be possible to have a "redo" command together with the "undo" ?
> 
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Re: [Alphacocoa-devel] [alphacocoa:tickets] #133 undo / redo

[Bernard D. <bde...@or...>]

> Le 10 mai 2017 à 09:10, Sylvain Loiseau <syl...@un...> a écrit :
> 
> My opinion is that it is one of the nice feature of Alpha and I should have found that Redo menu. Plus, it is the very standard shortcut for it.
> 
> I also feel that it is reasonable to expect a new user to learn 4-5 key features of a new app that are really useful and pervasive, and in order to use Alpha one have to learn, for instance, that (1) in order to insert the « tab » char you have to use alt-tab and that (2) « paired functions » are (i) linked to the same menu entry dynamically changed by alt and/or (ii) have the same shortcut modulo the alt modifier, and so on.
> 
> However, maybe undo/redo should be treated differently because:
> - it is very standard in every app to have the two functions as the first two items in the Edit menu
> - it is not the alt modifier, and there are few cases where the shift key change dynamically the menu (I found « Sort Lines »~« Sort paragraph » in « Text » menu and « Find Next »~« Find Previous » in « Search » Menu. « Find previous » is also a very basic functionality that one may feel frustrating not to found in the first place. Again this is the standard shortcut, I guess I found it because I did _not_ search it... in the menu). Maybe dynamic menu could be limited to « alt » and the three shift-modified menu items treated as static menu?
> 

Excellent suggestions. Quite convincing. I’ll implement them.
Cheers,
Bernard

[Alphacocoa-devel] [alphacocoa:tickets] Re: #133 undo / redo

[Bernard D. <bde...@us...>]

> Le 10 mai 2017 à 09:10, Sylvain Loiseau <syl...@un...> a écrit :
> 
> My opinion is that it is one of the nice feature of Alpha and I should have found that Redo menu. Plus, it is the very standard shortcut for it.
> 
> I also feel that it is reasonable to expect a new user to learn 4-5 key features of a new app that are really useful and pervasive, and in order to use Alpha one have to learn, for instance, that (1) in order to insert the « tab » char you have to use alt-tab and that (2) « paired functions » are (i) linked to the same menu entry dynamically changed by alt and/or (ii) have the same shortcut modulo the alt modifier, and so on.
> 
> However, maybe undo/redo should be treated differently because:
> - it is very standard in every app to have the two functions as the first two items in the Edit menu
> - it is not the alt modifier, and there are few cases where the shift key change dynamically the menu (I found « Sort Lines »~« Sort paragraph » in « Text » menu and « Find Next »~« Find Previous » in « Search » Menu. « Find previous » is also a very basic functionality that one may feel frustrating not to found in the first place. Again this is the standard shortcut, I guess I found it because I did _not_ search it... in the menu). Maybe dynamic menu could be limited to « alt » and the three shift-modified menu items treated as static menu?
> 

Excellent suggestions. Quite convincing. I’ll implement them.
Cheers,
Bernard



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** [tickets:#133] undo / redo**

**Status:** open
**Created:** Tue May 09, 2017 07:47 AM UTC by Sylvain Loiseau
**Last Updated:** Tue May 09, 2017 04:53 PM UTC
**Owner:** nobody


This is rather a RFE : do you think it could be possible to have a "redo" command together with the "undo" ?


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[Alphacocoa-devel] [alphacocoa:tickets] #133 undo / redo

[Bernard D. <bde...@us...>]

This is fixed now. 

Changes committed to the repository ([rev. 1344](http://sourceforge.net/p/alphacocoa/code/1344/)).


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** [tickets:#133] undo / redo**

**Status:** open
**Created:** Tue May 09, 2017 07:47 AM UTC by Sylvain Loiseau
**Last Updated:** Tue May 09, 2017 04:53 PM UTC
**Owner:** nobody


This is rather a RFE : do you think it could be possible to have a "redo" command together with the "undo" ?


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[Alphacocoa-devel] [alphacocoa:tickets] #133 undo / redo

[Bernard D. <bde...@us...>]

- **status**: open --> fixed



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** [tickets:#133] undo / redo**

**Status:** fixed
**Created:** Tue May 09, 2017 07:47 AM UTC by Sylvain Loiseau
**Last Updated:** Wed May 10, 2017 05:31 PM UTC
**Owner:** nobody


This is rather a RFE : do you think it could be possible to have a "redo" command together with the "undo" ?


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[Alphacocoa-devel] [alphacocoa:tickets] #133 undo / redo

[Bernard D. <bde...@us...>]

- **status**: fixed --> closed
- **Version**: 9.0b3 --> 9.0b4



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** [tickets:#133] undo / redo**

**Status:** closed
**Created:** Tue May 09, 2017 07:47 AM UTC by Sylvain Loiseau
**Last Updated:** Wed May 10, 2017 05:34 PM UTC
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This is rather a RFE : do you think it could be possible to have a "redo" command together with the "undo" ?


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