Re: [AgileWiki] a pressing matter--anyone interested in writing some commands?

[Bill la F. <bil...@su...>]

Ed,

I'm an old CODASYL guy myself. The rolonic database I've developed is a 
cross between CODASYL and OODBMS. :-)

Note that Relational databases are based on a theory of data. Its a bad 
fit for the information age. This rolonic database is based on a theory 
of knowledge. So applications fit it very nicely. Hmm. I think you could 
also say that so far the part of the database that has been implemented 
in version 3 provides support for information, while the classifiers 
which should be implemented in perhaps 3.3 will complete the knowledge 
management capabilities.

Now it sounds like, with your current work schedule, you should spend 
some time on the beach. Literally. I assure you, you are going to need a 
fresh mind to get into rolonic programming. Remember how hard it was for 
us old Cobol programmer types to grok OO! (Well, not me, but a lot of 
others seemed to have a difficult time of it back in the '80s.)

The thing to keep in mind is that rolonics is a world view, dealing with 
knowledge. Its a way of thinking about thinking. And you don't need a 
rolonic database to do rolonic programming--but it helps. Rolonics also 
contains nothing new. Norm, the father of Rolonics, is always saying 
that it is a collection of ideas from many sources. He just assembled 
it. He says that while it is based on holonics, it is also the answer to 
the reason why systems theory fails--systems always being a collection 
of whoe/parts, so any real system is always out of scope of systems 
theory which can't handle that particular case. :-)

Just keep in mind one thing. Everything has relationships, behavior, 
state and history. Take that as your world view. Now look at a checkbook 
application. Its all there, just badly implemented (as are most 
applications which deal with history). Now look at a personal 
information management system. Its not all there, but it should be. Once 
you understand the rolonic view, you begin to notice major holes in most 
computer applications. Turn that around, and you will find that most 
applications can easily be implemented when you have a nice rolonic 
application platform that does all the heavy lifting for you.

I am looking forward to working with you, actively. We've got quite a 
crew already, but things are very quiet. My guess is that there is quite 
a learning curve involved. And you will not get past that just by 
looking at the code. You've got to adopt a rolonic world view and then 
play with the agile wiki and see how it all fits together.

I'm also thinking that some documentation of our sample application, 
SimpleAccounting, is going to help a lot. But really, I'm only guessing 
as to why everyone is so quiet.

Again, you are welcome to participate in this project, and in this 
rolonic programming movement I'm trying to start. I figure its going to 
be a slow start--a few years. I also figure there's lots of economic 
opportunities here, though in due time. :-( Perhaps JBoss is the wrong 
model. Perhaps Microsoft would be a better one? With lots of the early 
developers becoming millionares? I don't know. I just hope the software 
is better than windoze! :-D

Bill

Ed Tidwell wrote:

>Bill La Forge wrote:
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>>Ed,
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>>Mmm, no. There is no JDBC. You can think of the database as an OODBMS, 
>>as long as you don't look too closely.
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>Bill,
>Is serializing objects to a file system still considered a database?  :-)
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>Work is shipping a new Market Risk trading system that goes live at the 
>end of the week.  Been working 15+ hour days but next week I got the 
>entire week off at the beach.  :-D
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>Give me 2 weeks and I will be happy to jump in with both feet.
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>I noticed at Java One this year a lot of folks pushing Derby.  Looks 
>like it might even get bundled with the JDK down the road as a 'Java 
>RDBMS' alternative for simple stuff.
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>I use to work with Poet and Gemstone and am pretty aware of how OO 
>databases work.  Ironically everywhere I worked when it came time to do 
>reporting or provide a query tool that tossed in a small RDBMS server 
>that gleaned the object model.  ;-)
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>Take care,
>Ed
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