Re: [CompStrm Wiki] a nice looking web page...

[James S <jam...@gm...>]

Bill can you recommend a good SVN Client/GUI for Linux?

Thanks,

James

On 5/5/06, Bill la Forge <laf...@ya...> wrote:
>
> James,
>
> Delighted to hear back from you. Hope you're feeling better. But I'd
> rather have long term involvement that a fast burnout on this project--I
> look forward to working with you for a long time. :-)
>
> As for the logo, I think equal emphasis is good. Agile too often refers t=
o
> a programming style, like XP, and there are so many wiki's out there.Ourd=
ifferentiation is first in having a wiki that is easy to reorganize and
> second having an open source application platform that is wiki  based.
>
> Our market is developers, simply because it is an application platform. W=
e
> need to make it very easy for developers to use (even if they don't join =
the
> development effort) and attractive for their end users. And the latter is
> why graphics are important. We'll not succeed unles our web site and prod=
uct
> look nice and are easy to use. And we'll also not succeed unless we can s=
how
> how easy it is to develop to. That also means we need to create a team
> environment which is very supportive and friendly.
>
> I have not takes a good look at jotspot myself. But what excites me about
> it is that, because of jotspot we don't need to spend too much effort
> explaining what a wiki-based application server is, though ours will be v=
ery
> different.
>
> You will notice that most open source projects are copies, to a large
> degree, of commercial products. It is very difficult to have developers
> agree on a direction when the work is completely original. My experience =
to
> date is that it takes about 2 years of work on an original project just t=
o
> develop a minimal community. So jotspot, a web service which charges for =
the
> extra features that everyone really needs, really opens the doors for us.
> Its ours now to loose. My feer is that the initial GUIs of AgileWiki3 are=
 so
> bad that we're making a horrible first impression. So we need to emphasis=
e
> that they are only there for testing while other aspects are being
> developed. And we need some nice looking web pages to show that not
> everything we do is ugly.
>
> Now I wouldn't trust the svn that came with your box. This product is
> under rapid development. So keep an eye on the version numbers. Also, as =
I
> mentioned earlier, I'm not sure what privileges you have at java.net. Can
> you access our svn files? Can you update?
>
> If you'll take a look at my latest blog, you'll see my ambitions for this
> weekend. http://laforge49.blogspot.com
>
> b
>
>
> *James S <jam...@gm...>* wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> I've been busy at my regular job and a little under the weather so it too=
k
> me a while to get back with you.
>
> 1. I'm glad that we are going to focus on the java.net site. I downloaded
> the template and will work on it over the next couple of days. I was
> confused about all of the websites so focusing on the one will be good.
>
> 2. I will take a good look at jotspot.com
>
> 3. I don't like the green in the logo either. I think that either gray or
> the blue is good. I've included both. The blue emphasises the Wiki part m=
ore
> if that is the goal, otherwise the gray reads easier.
>
> 4. I've gotten subversion loaded at home on my Linux box--in fact it came
> with Fedora 5. I downloaded the manual which I plan on printing out today
> and reading it this weekend. I hope to get it installed on my Mac at work
> very soon.
>
> 5. The weather on the bottom of my Firefox browser is called Forecastfox.
> It is a nice little plugin. You can find it here: https://addons.mozilla.=
org/firefox/398/
>
>
> James
>
>
>
> On 5/4/06, Bill la Forge <laf...@ya...> wrote:
> >
> >  Hi James!
> >
> > I got the web page and it looks nice. I hope you don't mind a bunch of
> > feedback...
> >
> > We've really got 4 web sites:
> >
> > 1. www.java.net Has its own standards for conformance. This is a
> > "normal" web site that supports normal HTML and all. The audience here =
is
> > Java developers. The goal of this site, for us, is to get them interest=
ed in
> > either working on AgileWiki3 or, eventually, writing applications for i=
t.
> >
> > If you go to https://java-enterprise.dev.java.net/ you will see a list
> > of various projects there. These projects conform to the site requireme=
nts.
> > And you'll note that the home page of each project is just a frame in t=
he
> > larger page, where the site provides the top and left frames. And they =
all
> > use that ugly blue bar for navigation--required.
> >
> > 2. project web pages for www.sourceforge.net Currently I'm just doing a
> > redirect to the project page in AgileWiki2 at agilewiki.org. But I'm
> > also keeping some resources there like slides. Before AgileWiki2 became=
 self
> > hosting, I used to have a huge site there, built up layer on layer over=
 a 2
> > year period. It was pretty horrible.
> >
> > 3. There is the AgileWiki2 self-hosting web site. The http://agilewiki.=
org/AgileWiki/index.html
> >  page is probably the only "normal" page on the site. Here we can put a
> > page like you designed and change the link from sourceforge to point to=
 it.
> > All the other pages are constrained by the limitations of the AgileWiki=
2
> > program, which serves up these pages.
> >
> > This site is pretty badly messed up right now. The database died and I
> > had not been taking backups, so I restored old content and then only up=
dated
> > the intentions page. This site will go off the air in 3 to 6 months.
> >
> > My current thinking is that this site serves only to demonstrate the
> > prototype. Its a super wiki. But AgileWiki3 is (intended to be) both a =
wiki
> > and an application server--like www.jotspot.com. *Do take a look at thi=
s
> > site*, please. This site offers limited service for free but for things
> > like access control (which even AgileWiki2 has), they charge.
> >
> > 4. The new web site, coming up any day now. Some pages will be normal
> > html pages, others will be the strange looking ones produced by the ear=
ly
> > alpha version of AgileWiki3.
> >
> >
> > General comments
> >
> > First on the Logo. The green doesn't seem to fit. Perhaps make it blue
> > to match the circle? That then ties to the color of the web page and it=
 all
> > fits nicely. (I really don't see adding extra words to the logo later.)
> > Otherwise I think the logo is great.
> >
> > On the bottom I see the weather. Is that part of the page? Adjusted for
> > the location of the viewer based on IP address? More curious than anyth=
ing.
> >
> > Last line I can't see too well. And its important. I like it there, but
> > perhaps a little darker?
> >
> > I don't want to dig into the content too much of the page you gave.
> > Rather I'd first like to establish the context it is to serve in. It co=
uld
> > not replace http://agilewiki.org/wiki/uuid/D3pUgh0M2Bk1HEzxa-4skWmN/_ a=
s
> > that is a page generated by the prototype. But it could replace
> > http://agilewiki.org/AgileWiki/index.html and we could redirect the hom=
e
> > page link at compstrm.sourceforge.net to point to it. Alternatively, we
> > could have compstrm.sourceforge.net point to www.java.net so that we
> > only have one web site for now.
> >
> > I really want to de-emphasise the current agilewiki.org site as it is
> > just the prototype and a bit out of date and messed up because of the l=
ast
> > restore. I want to take the site (but not the URL) down as soon as poss=
ible.
> > The new server will include the new (hardly working) code, as well
> > as regular pages.
> >
> > I could be clearer if it was clearer to me. Having 3 sites and a fourth
> > coming up is a mess. I think for the moment its best just to focus on a=
 nice
> > page or 3 at www.java.net and perhaps have compstrm.sourceforge.netredi=
rect you there for now.
> >
> > I'd also (and this addresses content) like to distinguish clearly
> > between AgileWiki2 (a super wiki, but only a wiki, but still a prototyp=
e for
> > AgileWiki3) and AgileWiki3 (a wiki-based application server).
> >
> > Bill
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