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[agilewiki-wiki] room for more pictures

[Bill la F. <laf...@ya...>]

Hmm. Not to overdo it or anything, but I'll note that since AW supports html, we could also include pictures in AW, not just on the home page. But perhaps smaller ones?
   
  On the other hand, Hanif, you perhaps should be focusing on studies for now, not on digging out your butterfly collection! :-)
   
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Re: [agilewiki-wiki] room for more pictures

[Hanif Babazadeh\(CPU\) <han...@gm...>]

Thanks,
by the way, why AW supports both Swing and web based interface?
It will be far easier for users and develpers to focus on one kind of
interface (Web is better of course).
Can't we change the Web interface to cover all the jobs that we can do by
Swing interface?
 
-H

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Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 14:20
To: agi...@li...
Subject: [agilewiki-wiki] room for more pictures


Hmm. Not to overdo it or anything, but I'll note that since AW supports
html, we could also include pictures in AW, not just on the home page. But
perhaps smaller ones?
 
On the other hand, Hanif, you perhaps should be focusing on studies for now,
not on digging out your butterfly collection! :-)
 
Bill


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Re: [agilewiki-wiki] room for more pictures

[Bill la F. <laf...@ya...>]

Hanif,
   
  I have thought of that but some users may want to run locally without a web server.
   
  Also, I've been thinking that it will be a lot easier to write code for working with the local files with a swing client.
   
  Now what we can do is use more AwServer-generated html. This simplifies the clients. 
   
  Another simplification will be to eliminate the rolonic interface. The wiki interface covers 99% of the functionality at this point. (The rolonic and wiki interfaces are supported by both clients currently.)
   
  Thanks for asking.
   
  Bill

"Hanif Babazadeh(CPU)" <han...@gm...> wrote:
      Thanks,
  by the way, why AW supports both Swing and web based interface?
  It will be far easier for users and develpers to focus on one kind of interface (Web is better of course).
  Can't we change the Web interface to cover all the jobs that we can do by Swing interface?
   
  -H

    
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Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 14:20
To: agi...@li...
Subject: [agilewiki-wiki] room for more pictures


  
  Hmm. Not to overdo it or anything, but I'll note that since AW supports html, we could also include pictures in AW, not just on the home page. But perhaps smaller ones?
   
  On the other hand, Hanif, you perhaps should be focusing on studies for now, not on digging out your butterfly collection! :-)
   
  Bill
    
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Re: [agilewiki-wiki] room for more pictures

[Hanif Babazadeh\(CPU\) <han...@gm...>]

Indeed it is an advanced feature, but sometimes, we -developers- consume 80%
of our precious time on a feature that's hardly used in 20% of times.
A Wiki is an online thing. This question always pops in my mind that why a
customer should need to run a local Wiki? ANd even if someone does, do we
need to complicate all the interface and design to fulfill that rare use?
Please don't make me wring. I'm just asking what I don't know. I mean "is
that swing interface important?"
 
thanks,
H

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Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 2:18
To: General discussion
Subject: Re: [agilewiki-wiki] room for more pictures


Hanif,
 
I have thought of that but some users may want to run locally without a web
server.
 
Also, I've been thinking that it will be a lot easier to write code for
working with the local files with a swing client.
 
Now what we can do is use more AwServer-generated html. This simplifies the
clients. 
 
Another simplification will be to eliminate the rolonic interface. The wiki
interface covers 99% of the functionality at this point. (The rolonic and
wiki interfaces are supported by both clients currently.)
 
Thanks for asking.
 
Bill

"Hanif Babazadeh(CPU)" <han...@gm...> wrote:

Thanks,
by the way, why AW supports both Swing and web based interface?
It will be far easier for users and develpers to focus on one kind of
interface (Web is better of course).
Can't we change the Web interface to cover all the jobs that we can do by
Swing interface?
 
-H

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Forge
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 14:20
To: agi...@li...
Subject: [agilewiki-wiki] room for more pictures


Hmm. Not to overdo it or anything, but I'll note that since AW supports
html, we could also include pictures in AW, not just on the home page. But
perhaps smaller ones?
 
On the other hand, Hanif, you perhaps should be focusing on studies for now,
not on digging out your butterfly collection! :-)
 
Bill
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Re: [agilewiki-wiki] room for more pictures

[Bill La F. <Wil...@Su...>]

Hanif,

I love to toss out code! But the swing interface is important.

Sometimes you want to run applications locally. Sometimes the data is 
very private. And laptops are not always connected.

Remember that this is a general knowledge repository, not just a wiki. 
Previously it was (and will again be) an email client. Also in the past 
there were facilities for coordinating data (sharing) between infobases, 
so you could work locally and then dialup once a day and swap changes.

Now I'll also note that the Swing client and Servlet client are both 
very very small. Everything is done in the same process as the 
infobase--keeps it very fast and flexible. And note also that the back 
end doesn't even know the kind of client it is working with. The 
interface is XML, which can be very magical... when done right.

Bill

Hanif Babazadeh(CPU) wrote:

> Indeed it is an advanced feature, but sometimes, we -developers- 
> consume 80% of our precious time on a feature that's hardly used in 
> 20% of times.
> A Wiki is an online thing. This question always pops in my mind that 
> why a customer should need to run a local Wiki? ANd even if someone 
> does, do we need to complicate all the interface and design to fulfill 
> that rare use?
> Please don't make me wring. I'm just asking what I don't know. I mean 
> "is that swing interface important?"
>  
> thanks,
> H

Re: [agilewiki-wiki] room for more pictures

[Hanif Babazadeh\(CPU\) <han...@gm...>]

Bill,
Therefore I guess I should learn more about the project.
Maybe AW is not a simple virtual Wiki. Then, we should find an
UNDERSTANDABLE way to introduce what it is!
It is a mail server, it is an infobase, it is an application server, it is a
learning project, and most importantly, it still tends to remain a WiKi!!!
Maybe it is a complicated project. Maybe it is simple.
I don't know. Just let me consume some time to understand it and then, I'll
write my understanding about the whole idea.
Maybe if it was a commerical product, we couldn't even sell a single license
of it. Maybe it is just another revolution in the 21st century, information
technology age!
Personally, I think I have not consumed enough time to know what it is. I'm
sorry, it's my fault.
Just gimme some time, and I'll write back. I don't promise very soon, but I
promise that I'll write my experience.
 
regards,
-H

  _____  

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Forge
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 9:18
To: General discussion
Subject: Re: [agilewiki-wiki] room for more pictures


Hanif,

I love to toss out code! But the swing interface is important.

Sometimes you want to run applications locally. Sometimes the data is very
private. And laptops are not always connected.

Remember that this is a general knowledge repository, not just a wiki.
Previously it was (and will again be) an email client. Also in the past
there were facilities for coordinating data (sharing) between infobases, so
you could work locally and then dialup once a day and swap changes.

Now I'll also note that the Swing client and Servlet client are both very
very small. Everything is done in the same process as the infobase--keeps it
very fast and flexible. And note also that the back end doesn't even know
the kind of client it is working with. The interface is XML, which can be
very magical... when done right.

Bill

Hanif Babazadeh(CPU) wrote: 

Indeed it is an advanced feature, but sometimes, we -developers- consume 80%
of our precious time on a feature that's hardly used in 20% of times.
A Wiki is an online thing. This question always pops in my mind that why a
customer should need to run a local Wiki? ANd even if someone does, do we
need to complicate all the interface and design to fulfill that rare use?
Please don't make me wring. I'm just asking what I don't know. I mean "is
that swing interface important?"
 
thanks,
H

Re: [agilewiki-wiki] room for more pictures

[Bill la F. <laf...@ya...>]

Hanif,
   
  Sometimes when I think about AW and Rolonics, I say to myself that, gee, these really are not big ideas. But the thing is, they work amazingly well.
   
  AW is really just a programming framework, and everyone hates programming frameworks for very good reasons--they are excessively rigid, in spite of being a powerful programming technique. AW is not rigid.
   
  Do anything software, combining a file server, wiki, email client, spreadsheet, et al, is really really really bad. AW is simply a bit rough, but maturing.
   
  I've been through all the paradygm shifts. Initially we just wrote small snippets of code and, gosh, if they actually worked we put them in libraries. We developed a lot of libraries back in the 60s.
   
  Then we had top-down and goto-less programming in the 70s. Suddenly we had massive applications and no reusable code.
   
  The 80s brought oo, of course, and the dream of reusable components--its holy grail.
   
  In the 90s, we just wrote components--COM and Java Beans--and got our resuable code, but didn't really call it a paradygm shift. We just did it.
   
  So we're due. I think Rolonics is it. And just as oo tried so hard to achieve reusable objects but so often failed, and components were simply reusable objects from the get go, Rolonics lets us easily do things we never thought possible. In a rolonics environment, there aren't distinct applications--all the code just works together.
   
  Hanif, really you are a bright dude to notice this.
   
  Bill
   
  P.S. Some stomach problems today. I was in a meeting yesterday and they served coffee. Perhaps the cup was not so clean. :-(
  

"Hanif Babazadeh(CPU)" <han...@gm...> wrote:
      Bill,
  Therefore I guess I should learn more about the project.
  Maybe AW is not a simple virtual Wiki. Then, we should find an UNDERSTANDABLE way to introduce what it is!
  It is a mail server, it is an infobase, it is an application server, it is a learning project, and most importantly, it still tends to remain a WiKi!!!
  Maybe it is a complicated project. Maybe it is simple.
  I don't know. Just let me consume some time to understand it and then, I'll write my understanding about the whole idea.
  Maybe if it was a commerical product, we couldn't even sell a single license of it. Maybe it is just another revolution in the 21st century, information technology age!
  Personally, I think I have not consumed enough time to know what it is. I'm sorry, it's my fault.
  Just gimme some time, and I'll write back. I don't promise very soon, but I promise that I'll write my experience.
   
  regards,
  -H

 				
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Re: [agilewiki-wiki] room for more pictures

[Hanif Babazadeh\(CPU\) <han...@gm...>]

Hi Bill,
I hope your stomach is healed when you read this. If not, wait and read it
when it's OK!  ;)
I think Rolonics is somehow like Design Patterns, isn't it? I'm reading
"Effective Java Programming" from SUN in which Programming Patterns are
discussed, I think Rolonics is more or less a set of patterns. Am I right?
 
-H

  _____  

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Forge
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 5:21
To: General discussion
Subject: Re: [agilewiki-wiki] room for more pictures


Hanif,
 
Sometimes when I think about AW and Rolonics, I say to myself that, gee,
these really are not big ideas. But the thing is, they work amazingly well.
 
AW is really just a programming framework, and everyone hates programming
frameworks for very good reasons--they are excessively rigid, in spite of
being a powerful programming technique. AW is not rigid.
 
Do anything software, combining a file server, wiki, email client,
spreadsheet, et al, is really really really bad. AW is simply a bit rough,
but maturing.
 
I've been through all the paradygm shifts. Initially we just wrote small
snippets of code and, gosh, if they actually worked we put them in
libraries. We developed a lot of libraries back in the 60s.
 
Then we had top-down and goto-less programming in the 70s. Suddenly we had
massive applications and no reusable code.
 
The 80s brought oo, of course, and the dream of reusable components--its
holy grail.
 
In the 90s, we just wrote components--COM and Java Beans--and got our
resuable code, but didn't really call it a paradygm shift. We just did it.
 
So we're due. I think Rolonics is it. And just as oo tried so hard to
achieve reusable objects but so often failed, and components were simply
reusable objects from the get go, Rolonics lets us easily do things we never
thought possible. In a rolonics environment, there aren't distinct
applications--all the code just works together.
 
Hanif, really you are a bright dude to notice this.
 
Bill
 
P.S. Some stomach problems today. I was in a meeting yesterday and they
served coffee. Perhaps the cup was not so clean. :-(


"Hanif Babazadeh(CPU)" <han...@gm...> wrote:

Bill,
Therefore I guess I should learn more about the project.
Maybe AW is not a simple virtual Wiki. Then, we should find an
UNDERSTANDABLE way to introduce what it is!
It is a mail server, it is an infobase, it is an application server, it is a
learning project, and most importantly, it still tends to remain a WiKi!!!
Maybe it is a complicated project. Maybe it is simple.
I don't know. Just let me consume some time to understand it and then, I'll
write my understanding about the whole idea.
Maybe if it was a commerical product, we couldn't even sell a single license
of it. Maybe it is just another revolution in the 21st century, information
technology age!
Personally, I think I have not consumed enough time to know what it is. I'm
sorry, it's my fault.
Just gimme some time, and I'll write back. I don't promise very soon, but I
promise that I'll write my experience.
 
regards,
-H


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Re: [agilewiki-wiki] room for more pictures

[Bill la F. <laf...@ya...>]

meta patterns :-)

"Hanif Babazadeh(CPU)" <han...@gm...> wrote:      Hi Bill,
  I hope your stomach is healed when you read this. If not, wait and read it when it's OK!  ;)
  I think Rolonics is somehow like Design Patterns, isn't it? I'm reading "Effective Java Programming" from SUN in which Programming Patterns are discussed, I think Rolonics is more or less a set of patterns. Am I right?
   
  -H

    
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Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 5:21
To: General discussion
Subject: Re: [agilewiki-wiki] room for more pictures


  
  Hanif,
   
  Sometimes when I think about AW and Rolonics, I say to myself that, gee, these really are not big ideas. But the thing is, they work amazingly well.
   
  AW is really just a programming framework, and everyone hates programming frameworks for very good reasons--they are excessively rigid, in spite of being a powerful programming technique. AW is not rigid.
   
  Do anything software, combining a file server, wiki, email client, spreadsheet, et al, is really really really bad. AW is simply a bit rough, but maturing.
   
  I've been through all the paradygm shifts. Initially we just wrote small snippets of code and, gosh, if they actually worked we put them in libraries. We developed a lot of libraries back in the 60s.
   
  Then we had top-down and goto-less programming in the 70s. Suddenly we had massive applications and no reusable code.
   
  The 80s brought oo, of course, and the dream of reusable components--its holy grail.
   
  In the 90s, we just wrote components--COM and Java Beans--and got our resuable code, but didn't really call it a paradygm shift. We just did it.
   
  So we're due. I think Rolonics is it. And just as oo tried so hard to achieve reusable objects but so often failed, and components were simply reusable objects from the get go, Rolonics lets us easily do things we never thought possible. In a rolonics environment, there aren't distinct applications--all the code just works together.
   
  Hanif, really you are a bright dude to notice this.
   
  Bill
   
  P.S. Some stomach problems today. I was in a meeting yesterday and they served coffee. Perhaps the cup was not so clean. :-(
  

"Hanif Babazadeh(CPU)" <han...@gm...> wrote:
      Bill,
  Therefore I guess I should learn more about the project.
  Maybe AW is not a simple virtual Wiki. Then, we should find an UNDERSTANDABLE way to introduce what it is!
  It is a mail server, it is an infobase, it is an application server, it is a learning project, and most importantly, it still tends to remain a WiKi!!!
  Maybe it is a complicated project. Maybe it is simple.
  I don't know. Just let me consume some time to understand it and then, I'll write my understanding about the whole idea.
  Maybe if it was a commerical product, we couldn't even sell a single license of it. Maybe it is just another revolution in the 21st century, information technology age!
  Personally, I think I have not consumed enough time to know what it is. I'm sorry, it's my fault.
  Just gimme some time, and I'll write back. I don't promise very soon, but I promise that I'll write my experience.
   
  regards,
  -H
    
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Re: [agilewiki-wiki] room for more pictures

[Hanif Babazadeh\(CPU\) <han...@gm...>]

Any books? Any articles? I like to learn the scientific background behind
it. I'm a student, and maybe it becomes a research article!
-H

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Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 15:42
To: General discussion
Subject: Re: [agilewiki-wiki] room for more pictures


meta patterns :-)

"Hanif Babazadeh(CPU)" <han...@gm...> wrote: 

Hi Bill,
I hope your stomach is healed when you read this. If not, wait and read it
when it's OK!  ;)
I think Rolonics is somehow like Design Patterns, isn't it? I'm reading
"Effective Java Programming" from SUN in which Programming Patterns are
discussed, I think Rolonics is more or less a set of patterns. Am I right?
 
-H

  _____  

From: agi...@li...
[mailto:agi...@li...] On Behalf Of Bill la
Forge
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 5:21
To: General discussion
Subject: Re: [agilewiki-wiki] room for more pictures


Hanif,
 
Sometimes when I think about AW and Rolonics, I say to myself that, gee,
these really are not big ideas. But the thing is, they work amazingly well.
 
AW is really just a programming framework, and everyone hates programming
frameworks for very good reasons--they are excessively rigid, in spite of
being a powerful programming technique. AW is not rigid.
 
Do anything software, combining a file server, wiki, email client,
spreadsheet, et al, is really really really bad. AW is simply a bit rough,
but maturing.
 
I've been through all the paradygm shifts. Initially we just wrote small
snippets of code and, gosh, if they actually worked we put them in
libraries. We developed a lot of libraries back in the 60s.
 
Then we had top-down and goto-less programming in the 70s. Suddenly we had
massive applications and no reusable code.
 
The 80s brought oo, of course, and the dream of reusable components--its
holy grail.
 
In the 90s, we just wrote components--COM and Java Beans--and got our
resuable code, but didn't really call it a paradygm shift. We just did it.
 
So we're due. I think Rolonics is it. And just as oo tried so hard to
achieve reusable objects but so often failed, and components were simply
reusable objects from the get go, Rolonics lets us easily do things we never
thought possible. In a rolonics environment, there aren't distinct
applications--all the code just works together.
 
Hanif, really you are a bright dude to notice this.
 
Bill
 
P.S. Some stomach problems today. I was in a meeting yesterday and they
served coffee. Perhaps the cup was not so clean. :-(


"Hanif Babazadeh(CPU)" <han...@gm...> wrote:

Bill,
Therefore I guess I should learn more about the project.
Maybe AW is not a simple virtual Wiki. Then, we should find an
UNDERSTANDABLE way to introduce what it is!
It is a mail server, it is an infobase, it is an application server, it is a
learning project, and most importantly, it still tends to remain a WiKi!!!
Maybe it is a complicated project. Maybe it is simple.
I don't know. Just let me consume some time to understand it and then, I'll
write my understanding about the whole idea.
Maybe if it was a commerical product, we couldn't even sell a single license
of it. Maybe it is just another revolution in the 21st century, information
technology age!
Personally, I think I have not consumed enough time to know what it is. I'm
sorry, it's my fault.
Just gimme some time, and I'll write back. I don't promise very soon, but I
promise that I'll write my experience.
 
regards,
-H

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Re: [agilewiki-wiki] room for more pictures

[Bill la F. <laf...@ya...>]

Sorry, no.

"Hanif Babazadeh(CPU)" <han...@gm...> wrote:      Any books? Any articles? I like to learn the scientific background behind it. I'm a student, and maybe it becomes a research article!
  -H

    
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Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 15:42
To: General discussion
Subject: Re: [agilewiki-wiki] room for more pictures


  
meta patterns :-)

"Hanif Babazadeh(CPU)" <han...@gm...> wrote:       Hi Bill,
  I hope your stomach is healed when you read this. If not, wait and read it when it's OK!  ;)
  I think Rolonics is somehow like Design Patterns, isn't it? I'm reading "Effective Java Programming" from SUN in which Programming Patterns are discussed, I think Rolonics is more or less a set of patterns. Am I right?
   
  -H

    
---------------------------------
  From: agi...@li... [mailto:agi...@li...] On Behalf Of Bill la Forge
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 5:21
To: General discussion
Subject: Re: [agilewiki-wiki] room for more pictures


  
  Hanif,
   
  Sometimes when I think about AW and Rolonics, I say to myself that, gee, these really are not big ideas. But the thing is, they work amazingly well.
   
  AW is really just a programming framework, and everyone hates programming frameworks for very good reasons--they are excessively rigid, in spite of being a powerful programming technique. AW is not rigid.
   
  Do anything software, combining a file server, wiki, email client, spreadsheet, et al, is really really really bad. AW is simply a bit rough, but maturing.
   
  I've been through all the paradygm shifts. Initially we just wrote small snippets of code and, gosh, if they actually worked we put them in libraries. We developed a lot of libraries back in the 60s.
   
  Then we had top-down and goto-less programming in the 70s. Suddenly we had massive applications and no reusable code.
   
  The 80s brought oo, of course, and the dream of reusable components--its holy grail.
   
  In the 90s, we just wrote components--COM and Java Beans--and got our resuable code, but didn't really call it a paradygm shift. We just did it.
   
  So we're due. I think Rolonics is it. And just as oo tried so hard to achieve reusable objects but so often failed, and components were simply reusable objects from the get go, Rolonics lets us easily do things we never thought possible. In a rolonics environment, there aren't distinct applications--all the code just works together.
   
  Hanif, really you are a bright dude to notice this.
   
  Bill
   
  P.S. Some stomach problems today. I was in a meeting yesterday and they served coffee. Perhaps the cup was not so clean. :-(
  

"Hanif Babazadeh(CPU)" <han...@gm...> wrote:
      Bill,
  Therefore I guess I should learn more about the project.
  Maybe AW is not a simple virtual Wiki. Then, we should find an UNDERSTANDABLE way to introduce what it is!
  It is a mail server, it is an infobase, it is an application server, it is a learning project, and most importantly, it still tends to remain a WiKi!!!
  Maybe it is a complicated project. Maybe it is simple.
  I don't know. Just let me consume some time to understand it and then, I'll write my understanding about the whole idea.
  Maybe if it was a commerical product, we couldn't even sell a single license of it. Maybe it is just another revolution in the 21st century, information technology age!
  Personally, I think I have not consumed enough time to know what it is. I'm sorry, it's my fault.
  Just gimme some time, and I'll write back. I don't promise very soon, but I promise that I'll write my experience.
   
  regards,
  -H
    
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