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#123 Redirects to nonexistent pages.

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2003-11-30
2002-08-13
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I think that I've mentioned this before, but it doesn't seem to be
*here*; correct me if I'm wrong. In any case, this is a more
complete version of the idea.

There are several redirects to nonexistent pages, and these are
worse than useless. If [[A]] redirects to [[B]], [[B]] doesn't
exist, and [[C]] has a link to [[A]], then it appears that an article
has been written, causing readers to waste their time following
the link and causing writers to pass up the chance to write a new
article. Furthermore, [[A]] doesn't appear on the Mostwanted
list.

However, there is some sense in these redirects. If there are
several possible names for an article, or even if there is only one
name that best fits our conventions but other possibilities that are
well known to be common mistakes, or common variations that
might appear in the text of an article, then it's nice if the redirect
from [[A]] to [[B]] is there, even if [[B]] isn't written, in order
to anticipate [[B]]'s arrival. Unfortunately, this really doesn't
work in light of the previous paragraph.

Here is how we fix that problem, and make redirects to
nonexistent pages harmless (or better). If as before, [[A]]
redirects to [[B]], [[B]] doesn't exist, and [[C]] links to [[A]],
then this link shall be rendered in [[C]] using the style for
nonexistent pages. Furthermore, the URL for that link shan't
have &noredirect in it, so that people that click on the link will be
editing [[B]], which is probably what they want. However, since
this may be surprising, there shall be a big notice warning people
that this is happening, along with a link to the &noredirect URL,
so that they can edit [[A]] itself if they think that the redirect is
wrong. (This big notice could be along the lines of the big notice
warning people when they're editing an old version of an article.)

As for the Mostwanted list, we will get an additional bonus
feature. If [[A]] redirects to [[B]] and [[B]] doesn't exist, then
any link to [[A]] *or* [[B]] shall be added to the Mostwanted
count for [[B]]. [[A]] itself still won't show up on Mostwanted.
This is what makes the idea not only a convenience but actually a
positive good. If [[A]] and [[B]] are both names for the same
thing, then they *should* combine in Mostwanted, to get a more
accurate idea of what articles are really most wanted.

Of course, if you make [[A]] redirect to [[B]], then it's best to
write [[B]] as well, but sometimes people don't have the time or
the knowledge for it at the moment.

I'll give you an example from real life. While I was
disambiguating [[Corn]] a while back, I found myself going
through a lot of CIA pages on various countries' economies, and I
noticed that there were at least 3 versions of [[Soybean]] (that
plus [[Soy]] and [[Soya]]), none of which existed. Now, I could
have changed these all to have the same name, but I didn't want
to start a search through articles for "soy" when I was already
busy with "corn". Also, they're all fairly common names, and they
*should* be redirects in the end. So I put them all (plus [[Soya
bean]] just in case) on my watchlist. By and by, Vicki (IIRC)
created one of the articles (writing what I never could have), and
then I made the rest redirects. But it would have been easier if I
could have made the redirects right away and been done with it.
Furthermore, the article might well have been written sooner,
since Vicki only wrote it because she found it on Mostwanted. It
should have been one of the top 10 most wanted articles, but
because the wants were distributed among several names, even
the top version was down the list a bit.

Discussion

  • Nobody/Anonymous

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    Yep, you're a mastermind alright. Oh, great idea BTW.

    -- mav

     
  • Evan Prodromou

    Evan Prodromou - 2003-11-30
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