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 Re: [Workrave-user] Inactivity timeout configuration From: Kees-Jan Dijkzeul - 2009-08-15 08:51:47 ```I guess you hit the nail on its head: Workrave is designed for controlling the time spent typing. If you are trying to solve any other problem than that, one needs to wonder if 1. The problem can really be solved 2. It would be a meaningful extension to workrave As to point 1, I guess experience shows that the answer is "no", and not for lack of trying. The fundamental problem is that workrave cannot read your mind and hence cannot know that you are using the computer, unless you are typing and/or using the mouse. Of course you can make some educated guesses, by fidding with activity timeouts, or assuming the user is always using the computer ("Suspend timers when inactive", anyone?) At one point I even proposed adding webcam support to workrave, such that workrave can "see" you using the computer. The point is that all of these educated guesses are bound to be wrong for someone, and hence require extensive UI support to configure, which brings me to point 2. Workrave tries to adhere to the unix design goal to "do one thing, and do it well", as well as to have the right defaults, instead of adding configuration (Gnome's "less is more" philosophy). I am pretty happy with where we are in that respect. If your problem is "controlling the time spent typing", there is no tool I'd recommend over workrave (and believe me, I've looked), even though configuration is a bit complex already. Of course, elements of workrave could be reused to solve other problems as well. Workrave has really nice break windows. If only we could measure the time someone is "using" the computer (as opposed to typing), we could show breaks for that as well. Additionally, we could add "breaks" for events at specific times, like lunch or coffee breaks. Workrave also has quite sophisticated activity measurement. We could add new clocks to measure the time spent in the morning, the afternoon or the evening. We could... Eh... I'm getting ahead of myself. The point is, that although parts of workrave could be re-used to do other things, that does not necessarily mean that it is a meaningful extension to workrave, because it does not contribute to solving the problem of "controlling the time spent typing", and will need a lot of configuration in the UI, which will confuse the main audience. This is not to say that those other problems are in any way "invalid" or "unimportant". Just that extending workrave is (imho) not the right solution. Groetjes, Kees-Jan ```
 Re: [Workrave-user] feature-request: Time profiles From: Joe Wells - 2009-08-14 07:43:44 ```bartlett morgan writes: > I hope I'm not going to 'left-field' here but on purely face value, those > ideals you mentioned - working in blocks, spending time with family etc - sound > like things that you could achieve by being more disciplined in your approach > than relying on something like software to do.I think software like Workrave > should serve to enhance ones discipline level, not create it for you. I don't > think any software can do that for you really. Nonetheless, relatively small changes in Workrave could make a big difference in how much help it can provide in enhancing discipline. I think it can help to understand the situation if you think of your computer as an extension of your brain. If there are some things you are having difficulty getting the biological part of your brain to handle, you can compensate with the silicon part of your brain. -- Joe > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:54 AM, Joe Wells wrote: > > Paul Kohler writes: > > > I'd like to be able to limit the amount of time I spend working or > > browsing during certain time intervals. A hypothetical example: during a > > normal work morning, I could put in up to 5 hours; after making|having > > lunch I could put in another 4 hours before dinner; after dinner, I > > would prefer to spend time with the family, so I'd have an upper limit > > of 1 hour for browsing before bed. > > Yes, it would be nice if Workrave directly supported what you are > asking for. > > I don't know if this helps, but here is what I did. > > I ended up doing this separately, by writing a program that analyzed > ~/.workrave/idlelog..log.  Anyway, I needed to make it reward-based > rather than relying on Workrave to block me.  See earlier messages on > this mailing list. > > You might also try programmatically adjusting Workrave's settings via > cron jobs that run at specific times.  For an example of how to do > this, see this bug report: > >  http://issues.workrave.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=770 > > I hope this message is helpful. > > -- > With my best regards, > > Joe > > > I'm new to this mailing list, so please do let me know if this is > > already suggested. > > > > Paul > > -- > Bartlett Morgan ```
 Re: [Workrave-user] Inactivity timeout configuration From: Joe Wells - 2009-08-14 07:39:19 ```Ray Satiro writes: > Hi Javier, > > I use activity insensitive timers as well. We discussed the issue > you describe last year but there isn't a real demand for it. Well, _I_ also want it. It seems to me that the issue is that Workrave is designed for controlling time spent _typing_, whereas some of us would prefer to have something for controlling time spent _using_ the computer. Workrave seems to already be in good shape for controlling typing, but the way inactivity detection works (the timeouts, etc.) has trouble with accurately measuring use (which includes periods of sitting at the computer reading and occasionally pressing 1 or 2 keys). It may be enough to just give a good user interface to the controls Workrave already has. I think there are some GConf settings that can be used but I have never had time to figure them out and verify which settings have the right effect for me. It does not help that Workrave's GConf settings are poorly documented. Not only is the documentation sketchy for those controls that are documented, but Workrave also has lots of undocumented GConf settings. (I once searched through the source code for this and realized that many settings have never been mentioned anywhere outside the source code.) -- Joe > I understand where you're > coming from and I'll revisit the issue later this year. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hello all, > > I was wondering if it's possible to configure the inactivity timeout in any > way. > > The use case for this is the following: - If 'Suspend timer when inactive' > option is not set for all timers, the time tracked isn't exactly the time I've > been working, but the time the computer has been switched on. - If 'Suspend > timer when inactive' option is set for all timers, the time tracked is also not > completely accurate because I may spend some time reading without pressing any > key or moving the mouse. > > Hence, I'd like to have a way to configure the inactivity timeout so that I can > set it to a reasonable amount depending on the type of activity I'm doing. For > example, a timeout of 30 seconds would be more accurate than one of 5 seconds > in my case. > > Best regards, Javier ```
 Re: [Workrave-user] Inactivity timeout configuration From: Javier Collado - 2009-08-11 13:13:17 ```Thanks for your response Ray. 2009/8/11 Ray Satiro : > Hi Javier, > > I use activity insensitive timers as well. We discussed the issue you > describe last year but there isn't a real demand for it. I understand where > you're coming from and I'll revisit the issue later this year. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hello all, > > I was wondering if it's possible to configure the inactivity timeout in any > way. > > The use case for this is the following: - If 'Suspend timer when inactive' > option is not set for all timers, the time tracked isn't exactly the time > I've been working, but the time the computer has been switched on. - If > 'Suspend timer when inactive' option is set for all timers, the time tracked > is also not completely accurate because I may spend some time reading > without pressing any key or moving the mouse. > > Hence, I'd like to have a way to configure the inactivity timeout so that I > can set it to a reasonable amount depending on the type of activity I'm > doing. For example, a timeout of 30 seconds would be more accurate than one > of 5 seconds in my case. > > Best regards, Javier > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus > on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now.  http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Workrave-user mailing list > Workrave-user@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/workrave-user > > ```
 Re: [Workrave-user] Using workrave with a wireless mouse From: Ray Satiro - 2009-08-11 11:45:15 Attachments: Message as HTML ```Hello Marc, As Kees-Jan says, the answer depends on the version and operating system you are using. If you are using Workrave 1.8.5 on Windows I can give instructions for an alternate activity monitor. But first check under your mouse for dust, dirt, hair, smudges, etc. Workrave 1.8.5 on Windows uses a built in Windows function to check input. Other programs also use the same function. For example, Windows screensaver. Enable your screensaver and set idle time to one minute. If you do not notice your screensaver coming on after one minute of idle it is because Windows detects recent input. A faulty mouse -- like a misfiring laser mouse -- is not the only hardware that can can cause this issue but it is the most likely, like 99%. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, The workrave program is not working for me when I have a wireless mouse plugged in. The computer never goes into "rest" mode as I assume that the wireless receiver is continuously sending a signal. Is there a workaround for this? Thank you, Marc Schmitter Employee Health Specialist Saint Francis Memorial Hospital 900 Hyde Street, 2nd Floor San Francisco, CA 94109 Tel: 415-353-6842 Fax: 415-353-6810 ```
 Re: [Workrave-user] Using workrave with a wireless mouse From: Kees-Jan Dijkzeul - 2009-08-11 06:47:26 ```Hi, Many people use workrave with wireless mice (me being one of them), and it should "just work" Just to be sure: * Which operating system are you using? (i.e. which version of Windows/Linux/...) * Which mouse are you using? * Which version of workrave are you using? * When you open the "statistics" window of workrave, on the "activity" tab. can you confirm that the top two items ("Mouse usage" and "Mouse movement") keep increasing even if you are not touching the mouse? Thanks! Groetjes, Kees-Jan ```
 Re: [Workrave-user] Inactivity timeout configuration From: Ray Satiro - 2009-08-11 03:01:32 Attachments: Message as HTML ```Hi Javier, I use activity insensitive timers as well. We discussed the issue you describe last year but there isn't a real demand for it. I understand where you're coming from and I'll revisit the issue later this year. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hello all, I was wondering if it's possible to configure the inactivity timeout in any way. The use case for this is the following: - If 'Suspend timer when inactive' option is not set for all timers, the time tracked isn't exactly the time I've been working, but the time the computer has been switched on. - If 'Suspend timer when inactive' option is set for all timers, the time tracked is also not completely accurate because I may spend some time reading without pressing any key or moving the mouse. Hence, I'd like to have a way to configure the inactivity timeout so that I can set it to a reasonable amount depending on the type of activity I'm doing. For example, a timeout of 30 seconds would be more accurate than one of 5 seconds in my case. Best regards, Javier ```
 [Workrave-user] Using workrave with a wireless mouse From: Schmitter, Marc - SFMH - 2009-08-10 19:11:06 Attachments: Message as HTML ```Hi, The workrave program is not working for me when I have a wireless mouse plugged in. The computer never goes into "rest" mode as I assume that the wireless receiver is continuously sending a signal. Is there a workaround for this? Thank you, Marc Schmitter Employee Health Specialist Saint Francis Memorial Hospital 900 Hyde Street, 2nd Floor San Francisco, CA 94109 Tel: 415-353-6842 Fax: 415-353-6810 Marc.Schmitter@... P Printing in haste, makes more waste; keep it green and read from your screen ```
 [Workrave-user] Inactivity timeout configuration From: Javier Collado - 2009-08-04 08:27:34 ```Hello all, I was wondering if it's possible to configure the inactivity timeout in any way. The use case for this is the following: - If 'Suspend timer when inactive' option is not set for all timers, the time tracked isn't exactly the time I've been working, but the time the computer has been switched on. - If 'Suspend timer when inactive' option is set for all timers, the time tracked is also not completely accurate because I may spend some time reading without pressing any key or moving the mouse. Hence, I'd like to have a way to configure the inactivity timeout so that I can set it to a reasonable amount depending on the type of activity I'm doing. For example, a timeout of 30 seconds would be more accurate than one of 5 seconds in my case. Best regards, Javier ```

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