Re: [Widelands-public] Widelands-public Digest, Vol 42, Issue 10
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From: Bryan P. <bry...@gm...> - 2009-11-26 21:47:42
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I'm not a coder in any way, shape, or form. I am decent at RTS's, and I'd be glad to help with balance and documentation. On 11/26/09, wid...@li... <wid...@li...> wrote: > Send Widelands-public mailing list submissions to > wid...@li... > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/widelands-public > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wid...@li... > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wid...@li... > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Widelands-public digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Meeting after new year ? (Holger Rapp) > 2. Re: Meeting after new year ? (Peter Schwanemann) > 3. Re: syncstream files (Timo) > 4. Re: Meeting after new year ? (Erik) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:42:22 +0100 > From: Holger Rapp <Hol...@gm...> > Subject: Re: [Widelands-public] Meeting after new year ? > To: wid...@li... > Message-ID: <C6D...@gm...> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Okay, > >> So to conclude: >> The meeting will be ~ from 2nd to 5th in Karlsruhe. >> Of course an internet connection is kind of a must. >> Until now (besides Erik, you and me), Martin Quinson from France and >> Adam Piggott from Great Britain showed interest in participation. >> But as >> far as I know, both weren't sure until now. > More conclusion on that: Entropia.de, which is the local hackerspace > (a subgroup of the CCC). They were very enthusiastic about supporting > us, some of them even played widelands before. Some of them might even > participate. > I've only been there once but remember the space as cozy and big > enough for around 10 people to work and chill there. And surely enough > they have internet. > > >> Cool! First it was a simple idea and now it comes to life! :) > Year. We will start on the 2th and hack our way through till the 4th > in the evening. Peter, maybe you can skip the first day of class (Not > that I *would* suggest you *should*, I mean, you know, as a lecturer > myself, I do *not support* this..... :) ) > >> So one last important question: Is there a good pizza service in >> Karlsruhe ;) ? > Theres is a good fairly tasty thai food shop around the corner and a > good indian restaurant. Plus some Kebabs and Bars. I have yet to find > a good pizza service in Karlsruhe.... But there are a few. > > What remains are projects. There is plenty to do. I want to target the > following things > > - Fix the current build system > - Evaluate cmake as a fast/cross platform/cross IDE alternative to > scons > - Finally unite the two whitespace checker (join forces Erik?) > - Enhance the Homepage > - Work on the bugs that showed up > - Update django to the latest security version on the server > - Add more niceties. > > Other stuff on widelands (I might not be helping too much there): > - Donkeys? > - Battle/Conquering? > - Graphics system? > > More suggestions? It would be nice to have one person to speak to for > each project, just in case that thousands of people want to join in on > the coding. > > I started playing around with a prototype engine using OpenGL in > Python. I tried to follow along the lines of the s25rttr project but > didn't achieve a nice blended/non-gl look. This might also be a > project to push this a little further on these three days. > > We should also announce this on widelands-announce and on the homepage > as soon as we have some definite projects fixed. > > Cheers, > Holger > >> Holger Rapp wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>>> I just noticed, that my lessons at university already start again on >>>> 4st >>>> January (at 11:45). >>>> >>> I have time from the 2nd to the 6th; on the 4th my mother has her >>> birthday >>> and I would leave the get together for a while to go to stuttgart. My >>> appartement >>> is big enough for ~6 people (including me); I would prefer a bigger >>> place, but >>> we must consider that fast internet is a must for proper development. >>> >>> >>>> So I wondered how long and from what day on we could meet? >>>> >>> I seems pretty fixed now: eric leaves at the 5th, you are busy from >>> the morning of >>> the 4th. Who else will participate? Should we post this on the the >>> homepage? >>> >>> There is local hackerspace in karlsruhe; I'll contact them, maybe we >>> can stay there. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Holger >>> >>> >>>> Seems you two (Holger and Erik) are busy on new year, so do you have >>>> time from the 2nd of January on, or later (or even earlier)? >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Peter >>>> >>>> >>>> Erik wrote: >>>> >>>>> Erik skrev: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Other places and times could also work. There are flights to/from >>>>>> Hahn >>>>>> (Hunsr?ck). Other companies have direct flights to/from Frankfurt. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Never mind what I wrote about Ryanair. I have now booked flights >>>>> with >>>>> Lufthansa to/from Frankfurt am Main. Arrival at 2009-12-29, >>>>> departure at >>>>> 2010-01-05. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports >>>>> 2008 30-Day >>>>> trial. 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I want to target the >> following things >> >> - Fix the current build system >> - Evaluate cmake as a fast/cross platform/cross IDE alternative to >> scons >> - Finally unite the two whitespace checker (join forces Erik?) >> - Enhance the Homepage >> - Work on the bugs that showed up >> - Update django to the latest security version on the server >> - Add more niceties. >> >> Other stuff on widelands (I might not be helping too much there): >> - Donkeys? >> - Battle/Conquering? >> - Graphics system? >> >> More suggestions? It would be nice to have one person to speak to for >> each project, just in case that thousands of people want to join in on >> the coding. >> > All of them sound interesting and somehow important, however I will keep > to Widelands functionality. Conquering seems to work pretty fine atm., > so I thought about donkeys as well and about animated battles - already > talked with Thoralf about an implementation some time ago. > Further points coming to my mind would be: > * "Stop storing this ware in this warehouse" - feature (+ "outsource > this ware to other warehouses" - feature) > * Balancing of oreproduction: Widelands is still quite expensive in > iron/gold/marble/coal production - in S2 you needed 1 fish to produce 1 > ore, our system is more complex, so perhaps we should allow to produce > more ore per snack/ration/... - will properly speed up production of > tools and wares an thus speed up expansion. > * Adding more notification messages and sounds (like "you lost your > militarysites", "this mine is empty", etc.) - this task is quite easy, > so if a newcomer wants to join us, this is a good place to start. :) > > Well there are surely a lot more things - just take a look on the > feature request and the bug list ;) > >> I started playing around with a prototype engine using OpenGL in >> Python. I tried to follow along the lines of the s25rttr project but >> didn't achieve a nice blended/non-gl look. This might also be a >> project to push this a little further on these three days. >> >> We should also announce this on widelands-announce and on the homepage >> as soon as we have some definite projects fixed. >> >> Cheers, >> Holger >> >> >>> Holger Rapp wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I just noticed, that my lessons at university already start again on >>>>> 4st >>>>> January (at 11:45). >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I have time from the 2nd to the 6th; on the 4th my mother has her >>>> birthday >>>> and I would leave the get together for a while to go to stuttgart. My >>>> appartement >>>> is big enough for ~6 people (including me); I would prefer a bigger >>>> place, but >>>> we must consider that fast internet is a must for proper development. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> So I wondered how long and from what day on we could meet? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I seems pretty fixed now: eric leaves at the 5th, you are busy from >>>> the morning of >>>> the 4th. Who else will participate? Should we post this on the the >>>> homepage? >>>> >>>> There is local hackerspace in karlsruhe; I'll contact them, maybe we >>>> can stay there. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Holger >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Seems you two (Holger and Erik) are busy on new year, so do you have >>>>> time from the 2nd of January on, or later (or even earlier)? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Peter >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Erik wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Erik skrev: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Other places and times could also work. There are flights to/from >>>>>>> Hahn >>>>>>> (Hunsr?ck). Other companies have direct flights to/from Frankfurt. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Never mind what I wrote about Ryanair. I have now booked flights >>>>>> with >>>>>> Lufthansa to/from Frankfurt am Main. Arrival at 2009-12-29, >>>>>> departure at >>>>>> 2010-01-05. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports >>>>>> 2008 30-Day >>>>>> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - >>>>>> and focus on >>>>>> what you do best, core application coding. 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Discover what's new with >> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >> _______________________________________________ >> Widelands-public mailing list >> Wid...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/widelands-public >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:06:12 +0100 > From: Timo <tim...@gm...> > Subject: Re: [Widelands-public] syncstream files > To: wid...@li... > Message-ID: <4B0...@gm...> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > here is a patch to delete replays and syncstream dumps on startup. > Syncstreams are deleted by default. For replay a number of days can be > given on command line after which replays are deleted. It's not (yet) > configurable in the options menu. > > Timo wrote: >> Hi everybody, >> >> This patch disables the syncstream dump for all games except network >> games in debug builds. >> >> Deleten of syncstream files and old savegames on startup will follow. >> >> Bye >> Timo >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: remove_replays_and_syncstreams.patch > Type: text/x-patch > Size: 3355 bytes > Desc: not available > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:45:23 +0100 > From: Erik <es...@gm...> > Subject: Re: [Widelands-public] Meeting after new year ? > To: wid...@li... > Message-ID: <4B0...@gm...> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Holger Rapp skrev: >> Year. We will start on the 2th and hack our way through till the 4th >> in the evening. Peter, maybe you can skip the first day of class (Not >> that I *would* suggest you *should*, I mean, you know, as a lecturer >> myself, I do *not support* this..... :) ) > > Who would ever do something like that... ;-) > > >>> So one last important question: Is there a good pizza service in >>> Karlsruhe ;) ? >> Theres is a good fairly tasty thai food shop around the corner and a >> good indian restaurant. Plus some Kebabs and Bars. I have yet to find >> a good pizza service in Karlsruhe.... But there are a few. > > Is there also some German food in Karlsruhe by any chance? :-) > > >> What remains are projects. There is plenty to do. I want to target the >> following things >> >> - Fix the current build system >> - Evaluate cmake as a fast/cross platform/cross IDE alternative to >> scons > > I have still not found a way to make KDevelop 3.9.* execute scons (or > stop crashing, for that matter). > > I have plenty of problems with the current build system: > * By default it uses -j 2 and tries to link widelands and test_economy > at the same time. Both require a lot of memory, so it thrashes for > several minutes whenever I forget to add -j 1 to the command line (not > that it is very fast when I do either). > * It runs all configure checks on each rebuild (such as trying to > enable each compiler flag). This really slows down development. > * In release mode, it rebuilds all localizations, even if nothing > changed (remember that the basic purpose of a build system is to keep > track of what actually needs to be rebuilt. And trying to kill it with > Ctrl-C does not work either (it comes back like a zombie all the time). > * It links in several stages. First the object files, then various > smaller libraries, then it links everything into widelands and in > addition to that, it seems to link everything into test_economy as well. > So it has the same executable code 4 times! This makes the working set > so huge that after a rebuild, at least the animations have been evicted > from disk cache, so starting the application for testing is always slow. > Even the whole source + 4 x object code is too big for the memory, so > even when just rebuilding repeatedly, it has to access the disk all the > time. KDevelop also needs several 100MB for semantic analysis and > highlighting. > > By the way, this person is very experienced dealing with lots of > software with build systems of various quality: > http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2008/10/02/good-developers-dont-necessarily-create-good-build-systems > > >> - Enhance the Homepage >> - Work on the bugs that showed up > > Yes, definitely! > > >> - Update django to the latest security version on the server > > Really want to wait with that until the meeting??? > > >> More suggestions? > > Besides the Google Summer of Code issue that I already mentioned, I > would continue with the things that I already have in the roadmap (and > especially everything that is required to create a "meta-tribe"), if > there is any time left for it at the meeting. > > >> just in case that thousands of people want to join in on the coding. > > Sounds overoptimistic, now that we have 3 people. > > > By the way, what is the meeting called? Widelands International > Developers Conference (WIDCon) 2010? > > > > ------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus > on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Widelands-public mailing list > Wid...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/widelands-public > > > End of Widelands-public Digest, Vol 42, Issue 10 > ************************************************ > |