From: Arthur S. <aj...@ix...> - 2001-12-25 10:52:27
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> Bruce writes - > I will attempt to say nothing more about any of this. Which I guess gives me the last word. No I don't have any *proof* that the issue in the classroom is not as you analyze. It does seem that you somehow *knew* it was going to be *the* issue, and that the classroom experience you report is only confirming your own foresight. I was a Python and programming beginner not very long ago, so *I* know perhaps better than you what were the significant issues and what were the minor issues in getting up to speed. Do you have a basis to tell me that my own real lived experience was not lived, not accurately reported, or that besides being the crankiest of bastards, I am somehow outside the norm. You refuse to address, among other things, the fact that VPython is distributed with Numeric, and that you *cannot* expect your students to use it without disaster if they are not introduced to its typing and numerical coercian rules - a discussion in which the old div operator behavior is given context. From there on - one would think - its their *job* to keep it straight, and simply a few of the many of the things I expect you would expect them to keep straight in the course of a course. For the record: From my perspective the issue here is not the div operator change, and , never has been. It is about science, about evidence and the reporting of evidence, and about common sense. Art |