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Re: [Tiki-devel] Fastest way to (some parts of) Tiki Suite?
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From: Marc L. <ma...@ma...> - 2011-11-16 08:50:37
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On 2011-11-15 6:04 PM, "Xen" <xe...@ne...> wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > After taking most of my summer off from web development, I'm back at it > and I see we are at Tiki 8! Awesome, that was fast! Great Work :) > :-) > The multi-Tiki installation project I'm working on would very much like > to be using components of the Tiki Suite. Any advice on the fastest way > to get there? Up and running ASAP with at least these components to > start with: > ) LDAP users & groups > ) BigBlueButton Web conferencing & e-learning > ) Jabber & Telephony (SIP) server > > > > * BIGBLUEBUTTON > I logged into the Tiki Meeting Room here: http://tiki.org/live > Soooo Coool! :) I totally want to get this running and integrated with > Tiki. Awesome! > I suggest you get BBB 0.8 (in Beta now), which has better sound, and record & playback. > > * JABBER/SIP > I've installed and admin'd a few Jabber servers in past years, currently > using openfire (which I've found to be quite easy to admin). I found > LDAP configuration dox here: > http://www.igniterealtime.org/builds/openfire/docs/latest/documentation/ldap-guide.html > I don't see anything suggesting that I couldn't use openfire in this combo. > Indeed, Tiki Suite permits you to swap components, but it will be more difficult to connect with a community. ejabberd on ClearOS Enterprise: www.clearfoundation.com/docs/howtos/ejabberd SIP/PBX: http://dev.tiki.org/blue.box Can you elaborate on your PBX needs? > > * CLEAROS/LDAP > LDAP is very important for us to move forward in our project. I > previously asked this list something about LDAP/TikiSuite and I recall > being directed towards ClearOS which includes LDAP. We are currently > using CentOS and I think switching to ClearOS would also mean switching > server host provider. I'm wondering: > ClearOS is based on RHEL/CentOS. > ) Can someone recommend a server host provider for ClearOS? That is a very important question. Can you do research/ask questions on the ClearOS forums? > Something > that can easily expand to meet the needs of a TikiSuite farm. I welcome that idea! What I'd like to see: an easy subscription model https://suite.tiki.org/Tiki+Suite+SaaS > We are > currently using cloud hosting "smart servers" from Liquid Web > and very pleased at how that works and their service. Operating systems > from them at this time include Debian, CentOS, and Ubuntu. > http://www.liquidweb.com/SmartServers/ > Sometimes, you can ask them to use a custom install CD... http://www.thrustvps.com/ let us install ClearOS. > ) I understand ClearOS comes with some of the core Tiki Suite components > and sounds like TikiSuite/ClearOS would be very integrated. Is ClearOS > required? Couldn't one just install/configure LDAP, BigBlueButton, and > any other TikiSuite components on any OS, like CentOS? How > not-recommended is that? > Of course you can. The risk I see is that, over time, you'll be adding services and you'll end up maintaining something which can become complex. For example, you may eventually want to offer IMAP and webmail... And you'll end up redoing some of the work ClearOS does beautifully. > ) If using CentOS is an option, at least for now, I'd like to get > openLDAP running on it. I installed openLDAP and stalled at the > configuration. Granted that it is acceptable to use LDAP for Tiki on > CentOS on our way to TikiSuite, I'd like to offer some payment to a Tiki > user/dev with experience configuring openLDAP (from scratch) to work > specifically/securely for Tiki users/groups (with the TikiSuite in mind) > -- I'd like someone to create nice step-by-step documentation of that > process for the Tiki LDAP documentation. I see settings here: > http://doc.tiki.org/LDAP+authentication > and I've found openldap howtos, I'd just really like some > straightforward steps to get it done quick and be sure it's done right. > We want straightforward steps here too: www.clearfoundation.com/docs/howtos/tiki_wiki_cms_groupware https://suite.tiki.org/Tiki+on+Clearos > Where is the proper forum to request such services? I see consultants > here: http://info.tiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Consultants > and wondering if this list is a good place for that or slurp all the > emails from that page to contact the consultants? > Sure, it's a good place. Perhaps we should add a form on info.tiki.org/Consultants to make it easier to reach everyone in one operation. > > I'm still learning LDAP... and based on my current understanding, my > thinking is to have multiple LDAP servers running on the same host > (which I was able to do, and it's because multiple Tikis are running on > the same host) -- one LDAP for each Tiki installation which will be at > its own subdomain. You should check on ClearOS forums on how to do this. It's certainly not the default as ClearOS's main use case is a SME. > As needed, each Tiki with its corresponding LDAP > server can easily move to another host. The idea being that in the pool > of many Tiki's, users are primarily registered/associated with one Tiki > which is the Master authenticator for all the other Tiki's in the pool. > So each Tiki is the Master authenticator for its registered users > @itssubdomain for all the other participating Tikis. > > For example: Tiki's at these domains: > 1.example.com > 2.example.com > 3.example.com > dev.example.com > > Usernames are email addresses, like: > user1@1.example.com > user2@1.example.com > us...@de... > > Example use cases: > user2@1.example.com is registered at 1.example.com and can also log into > 2.example.com and 3.example.com with "Visitor" permissions. > > us...@de... and all other users at dev.example.com would be in > a "Developer" group and could log into 1.example.com, 2.example.com, and > 3.example.com with "Developer" permissions. > Sounds like fun :-) Beyond Tiki auth, why do you need LDAP? > > > > ) I also noticed this config tip at https://tiki.org/Tiki+on+Clearos > LDAP authentication > works for 6.x, but not 7.x and trunk (yet!) > > Anyone know if that information is current? Or some work needed to get > that working with latest Tiki? > We got the basics working for ClearOS 5.x and then we shifted our focus on Tiki 8.x Since then, ClearOS 6 Beta1 has been released so it would be nice to update with this: www.clearfoundation.com/ClearFoundation-Blog/415-clearos-enterprise-610-beta-1-released.html In fact, Tiki Suite will only be based on ClearOS 6.x because 5.x is too old and it forces us to tweak/install packages... > > > Much thanks for any guidance on this, My suggestion is to first experiment with ClearOS Enterprise and see if it can work for you. If that doesn't work, then fallback to ClearOS Core or Centos. Don't overlook a technology because your current host doesn't support it. Best regards, M :-) > --Xen > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > RSA(R) Conference 2012 > Save $700 by Nov 18 > Register now > http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 > _______________________________________________ > TikiWiki-devel mailing list > Tik...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-devel On 2011-11-15 6:04 PM, "Xen" <xe...@ne...> wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > After taking most of my summer off from web development, I'm back at it > and I see we are at Tiki 8! Awesome, that was fast! Great Work :) > > The multi-Tiki installation project I'm working on would very much like > to be using components of the Tiki Suite. Any advice on the fastest way > to get there? Up and running ASAP with at least these components to > start with: > ) LDAP users & groups > ) BigBlueButton Web conferencing & e-learning > ) Jabber & Telephony (SIP) server > > > > * BIGBLUEBUTTON > I logged into the Tiki Meeting Room here: http://tiki.org/live > Soooo Coool! :) I totally want to get this running and integrated with > Tiki. Awesome! > > > * JABBER/SIP > I've installed and admin'd a few Jabber servers in past years, currently > using openfire (which I've found to be quite easy to admin). I found > LDAP configuration dox here: > > http://www.igniterealtime.org/builds/openfire/docs/latest/documentation/ldap-guide.html > I don't see anything suggesting that I couldn't use openfire in this combo. > > > * CLEAROS/LDAP > LDAP is very important for us to move forward in our project. I > previously asked this list something about LDAP/TikiSuite and I recall > being directed towards ClearOS which includes LDAP. We are currently > using CentOS and I think switching to ClearOS would also mean switching > server host provider. I'm wondering: > > ) Can someone recommend a server host provider for ClearOS? Something > that can easily expand to meet the needs of a TikiSuite farm. We are > currently using cloud hosting "smart servers" from Liquid Web > and very pleased at how that works and their service. Operating systems > from them at this time include Debian, CentOS, and Ubuntu. > http://www.liquidweb.com/SmartServers/ > > ) I understand ClearOS comes with some of the core Tiki Suite components > and sounds like TikiSuite/ClearOS would be very integrated. Is ClearOS > required? Couldn't one just install/configure LDAP, BigBlueButton, and > any other TikiSuite components on any OS, like CentOS? How > not-recommended is that? > > ) If using CentOS is an option, at least for now, I'd like to get > openLDAP running on it. I installed openLDAP and stalled at the > configuration. Granted that it is acceptable to use LDAP for Tiki on > CentOS on our way to TikiSuite, I'd like to offer some payment to a Tiki > user/dev with experience configuring openLDAP (from scratch) to work > specifically/securely for Tiki users/groups (with the TikiSuite in mind) > -- I'd like someone to create nice step-by-step documentation of that > process for the Tiki LDAP documentation. I see settings here: > http://doc.tiki.org/LDAP+authentication > and I've found openldap howtos, I'd just really like some > straightforward steps to get it done quick and be sure it's done right. > > Where is the proper forum to request such services? I see consultants > here: http://info.tiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Consultants > and wondering if this list is a good place for that or slurp all the > emails from that page to contact the consultants? > > > I'm still learning LDAP... and based on my current understanding, my > thinking is to have multiple LDAP servers running on the same host > (which I was able to do, and it's because multiple Tikis are running on > the same host) -- one LDAP for each Tiki installation which will be at > its own subdomain. As needed, each Tiki with its corresponding LDAP > server can easily move to another host. The idea being that in the pool > of many Tiki's, users are primarily registered/associated with one Tiki > which is the Master authenticator for all the other Tiki's in the pool. > So each Tiki is the Master authenticator for its registered users > @itssubdomain for all the other participating Tikis. > > For example: Tiki's at these domains: > 1.example.com > 2.example.com > 3.example.com > dev.example.com > > Usernames are email addresses, like: > user1@1.example.com > user2@1.example.com > us...@de... > > Example use cases: > user2@1.example.com is registered at 1.example.com and can also log into > 2.example.com and 3.example.com with "Visitor" permissions. > > us...@de... and all other users at dev.example.com would be in > a "Developer" group and could log into 1.example.com, 2.example.com, and > 3.example.com with "Developer" permissions. > > > > > ) I also noticed this config tip at https://tiki.org/Tiki+on+Clearos > LDAP authentication > works for 6.x, but not 7.x and trunk (yet!) > > Anyone know if that information is current? Or some work needed to get > that working with latest Tiki? > > > > Much thanks for any guidance on this, > --Xen > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > RSA(R) Conference 2012 > Save $700 by Nov 18 > Register now > http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 > _______________________________________________ > TikiWiki-devel mailing list > Tik...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-devel > |