#280 clarification of <colloc>

GREEN
closed-fixed
Kevin Hawkins
1(low)
2013-12-26
2011-03-30
Kevin Hawkins
No

1. The element <colloc> is defined as containing a "collocate", but this term isn't defined in the Guidelines or in widely available dictionaries.

2. <colloc type="prep"> is unclear: does this mean that the value of <colloc> goes before what's in <orth> or that what goes in <orth> goes before this collocate? According to people who know French better than me, the example is supposed to mean the latter, but I would not have guessed that by reading of the markup. This example needs a bit of glossing.

3. Perhaps we should add to the element definition recommended values for @type, explaining that "prep" means that what's in <orth> goes before this collocate.

Discussion

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  • Martin Holmes
    Martin Holmes
    2013-04-08

    Looking at this for the first time, it strikes me that the <colloc> element doesn't seem to provide any way to encode how the collocation is formed -- for instance words, does the word in the <colloc> element come before or after the headword?

    Wouldn't some kind of <phr>-based structure be better for showing the headword in the context of a collocation?

     
  • Piotr Banski
    Piotr Banski
    2013-04-08

    Example @types would be fine, but (as on many other occasions) I would suggest not to recommend any specific values, because at that point, the Guidelines would go beyond their aim, and fail. They aren't meant to be guidelines for dictionary writing, are they.

     
  • Piotr Banski
    Piotr Banski
    2013-04-08

    Martin, the ordering could be indicated by @type more or less directly, e.g. "object" or "_ of NP", etc. -- I suggest to leave that to the particular system (which every serious dictionary is).

     
  • Kevin Hawkins
    Kevin Hawkins
    2013-04-08

    That's right: while it's not explained in the element definition for <colloc> (perhaps an oversight that we should fix), in section 9.3.2 (#DITPGR) it gives an example using @type. Confusion over how to interpret this led to questions (2) and (3) in this ticket.

     
  • Kevin Hawkins
    Kevin Hawkins
    2013-11-13

    • assigned_to: Laurent Romary --> Kevin Hawkins
    • Priority: 5 --> 1(low)
     
  • Kevin Hawkins
    Kevin Hawkins
    2013-11-13

    Per discussion at Council meeting, we agreed to remove @type on <colloc> from the example in section 9.3.2 and in the spec for <colloc> because it's misleading.

     
    • Piotr Banski
      Piotr Banski
      2013-11-13

      Will <colloc> be in att.typed, though? Or are you breaking backwards compatibility?

       
  • Kevin Hawkins
    Kevin Hawkins
    2013-11-13

    We didn't discuss explicitly, but I wasn't planning to change its class. Therefore people would be free to continue using @type on their own if they like, whether they used it to indicate a type of collocate, the part of speech of the content of the element, or something else.

     
    • Piotr Banski
      Piotr Banski
      2013-11-13

      Great, thanks. It would be bad to see @type go altogether.

       
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