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#335 em and en dashes in the Guidelines

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2012-08-09
2012-01-08
Pablo Rodriguez
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Hi there,

I don't know whether I'm reporting a real typo (it might be a stylistic question).

I haven't read the full TEI Guidelines and the TEI Lite documentation, but there seems to be a parenthetical use of dashes with additional spaces. The question is that for this parenthetical use both em and en dashes are deployed.

Shouldn't it be only one dash for this use (whichever it might be)?

Thanks for your help,

Pablo

Discussion

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  • Martin Holmes
    Martin Holmes
    2012-04-04

    We shouldn't be mixing em and en dashes in parenthetical usage. We should standardize on em dashes, and make them all spaceless. I think that's what I've already done, but I'll go through again and check.

    In one sense this is trivial, but to a percentage of readers (I'm one of them, because I spend a lot of time proofing) this sort of inconsistency is glaring and jarring, and it looks unprofessional.

     
  • James Cummings
    James Cummings
    2012-04-13

    I agree with the need for consistency, and although I share Lou's preferences with this, am happy with the resolution as is. I think this is green to go and when Martin has done, and checked this, it should be marked as resolved and noted in the style guide if it isn't already.

    -James

     
  • James Cummings
    James Cummings
    2012-04-13

    • status: open --> open-accepted
     
  • Martin Holmes
    Martin Holmes
    2012-04-15

    OK, to summarize:

    We now believe that:

    - ONLY em dashes should be used parenthetically (not en dashes or hyphens)

    - There should be NO spaces around them when they are used in this way (this means I'll have to change all parenthetical em dashes, because I had previously introduced spaces in the minority of cases in which they weren't already there)

    - The only exception to the above (currently) is where we refer to the titles of ISO documents, where we must follow the ISO practice of using spaces.

    - En dashes should be used for numerical ranges such as dates, page-ranges, etc.

    - En dashes should not have spaces around them.

    All in favour say aye. Absent any objections, I'll start implementing this, and it should be added to the style guide. Where is the style guide again? Should I create one as a working paper?

     
  • Martin, I believe the style guide, as it exists now, is part of tcw20, starting here: http://www.tei-c.org/Activities/Council/Working/tcw20.xml#house-style-orthography and is also stored at P5/Source/Guidelines/en/style-guide.txt.

    In order to avoid maintaining this documentation in two places, Kevin recommended over email (as you have done here) that we create a new working paper for the style guide, and simply point to it from the places that separately store this information.

    I volunteered to put this together, however, I don't know how to set up a new working paper (or where to find the TEI source for the existing working papers to use as examples). Perhaps we could look at this together so I can learn this?

     
  • Martin Holmes
    Martin Holmes
    2012-04-20

    • status: open-accepted --> pending-accepted
     
  • Martin Holmes
    Martin Holmes
    2012-04-20

    I don't want to close this ticket until the decision in my comment of 2012-04-15 is recorded in the Style Guide Becky is creating, so I'm going to set it to Pending. I'll assign it to Becky as soon as she's been added to the SF system.

     
  • Martin Holmes
    Martin Holmes
    2012-04-20

    Assigning this to Rebecca (partly to check I that assigning tickets to her will work).

     
  • Martin Holmes
    Martin Holmes
    2012-04-20

    • assigned_to: martindholmes --> rwelzenb
    • status: pending-accepted --> open-accepted
     
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