Hi Barry,

Part of the objective I suggest is to NOT have duplication of function, 
     menus allowing removal of some parts of Settings panes, like slide bars,
     (and providing clarification of what Save means and when, where and how to do it).
     Or perhaps rearrange the panes so that they totally do not or totally do duplicate menu/keystroke functionality.
     Or if not that maybe find some way to provide indication in panes for what settings are duplicative.

The type of keyboard layout is, today, just a software setting.
     Perhaps more of a problem is muddling of keystrokes that start with the first letter of an English word.
     Provided everything else like Help files and Preference panes is in the native language for a user, though, 
         would it be acceptable to have menus and their keystroke equivalents be in English,
         and be normally operated with the keyboard set to the same?
         A little English is very widely known, and pull-down menus provide a very ready tutorial for keystroke equivalents. 

Yes, there is a problem here.
Maybe duplication within panes does need to be provide so some can avoid the English.
But one thing for sure is that there is tremendous user interface reach and power in keystroke equivalents with menus, and not just on laptops.
The words that say it all are "intuitive" and "facile,"  as in Apple's track record for software.
Stellarium is missing some (or a lot).

Please read my hopefully now more readable notes.
Ed






On Mar 19, 2012, at 9:24 PM, Barry Gerdes wrote:

Hi
Key stroke (key bindings) are very useful. particularly on lap tops although not so important on desktops where a mouse works well.
The biggest problems we have with key bindings is twofold, the number with duplicate functions and the use of non USA keyboards. Check through the help file for the current key bindings for those that are already in use before commiting new ones
 
Barry Gerdes
Beaumont Hills Observatory
S 33' 41' 44"    E 150' 56' 32"

  

From: edtakken@cox.net
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:46:55 -0400
To: stellarium-pubdevel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [Stellarium-pubdevel] Re 2: New Idea: DSO viewing options

I should have added that keystroke equivalents give both 
   ease of learning for the beginner via the menus, and 
   good (perhaps the best possible) facile and fine-tuned control for the experienced users and astronomers.
Ed.
PS:  Just updated my notes at takken.us/stellarium.  Hopefully they are more readable now.


Hi Tom,
It is the keystroke equivalents that are magic.
The menus after a while are just a help display.
Sub-menus can be used to make things fit on a small display.
Ed


On Mar 19, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Thomas Morris wrote:

Hi Ed,

I'm not convinced that replacing the nebula sliders with a drop-down
menu would be more intuitive although I'm no expert on GUI design.
Bear in mind that non-numerical information needs translations unless
you use icons, potentially causing layout problems. Also drop-down
menus wouldn't fit on a small screen (e.g. smartphone).

Thanks,
Thomas

On 19 March 2012 21:14,  <edtakken@cox.net> wrote:
Hi Thomas and Brian,

I think the way to do this one, as well as make the user interface both more
facile and intuitive, is with drop-down menus.
I put a draft of my idea at  takken.us/stellarium, but need to do more to
explain it.
I suggest that the present slide bars are an encumbrance for the user.

Ed Takken






On Mar 19, 2012, at 1:30 PM, Thomas Morris wrote:

Hi Brian,

Perhaps this could be implemented as a plug-in? ("extended DSO
controls" or something like that). Personally I would like some
extended controls particularly for making full use of the new NGC data
catalogue. (Galaxy display based on surface brightness for example,
which would certainly be useful for objects at low altitude.)

Thanks,
Thomas

On 19 March 2012 17:03, Bogdan Marinov <daggerstab@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 1:48 AM, bdwashbu <bdwashbu@gmail.com> wrote:

Cool!


I have a prototype image here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/81471534@N00/6848489598/lightbox/


Oh, my, more interface clutter. While users have requested a way to

select which categories of DSOs are displayed, I think that a separate

slider for each is overkill.


Also, a comment on a previous question of yours:


On 18 March 2012 14:15, bdwashbu <bdwashbu@gmail.com> wrote:

I also think that the sliders should be ticked and a label show their

current value, because I'm not even sure what their value currently

represents. (I assume apparent magnitude)


The sliders are deliberately unitless and don't represent apparent

magnitude. Instead, they control the number of objects shown on the

screen with a somewhat unclear formula which includes apparent

magnitude and dynamic eye adaptation.


Please also have in mind that one of the reasons Stellarium is popular

with educators and people who are total beginners in astronomy is the

simplicity of its interface. New features should be carefully

designed. Just slapping hack over hack as has been the tendency

recently won't lead to anything good. We already kicked out the

planetarium users, let's not alienate more groups.


Bogdan


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