From: Ingmar <ing...@gm...> - 2006-09-24 14:29:39
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Hi there! I'm currently evaluating a way of offering the user forms to edit Mediawiki pages. (MW with the Semantic Mediawiki ext). Now I saw Wikidata, but am unsure about what it really is. I was especially impressed by http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Wikidata-mockup.png So what I need is basically a relational system with templates containing forms. Is there anything ready-made out there? Cheers, Ingmar |
From: MovGP0 <mo...@gm...> - 2006-09-24 21:52:21
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Hi,=20 Wikidata is another Development that has nothing to do with Semantic = Media Wiki, except that there are Plans to use the Wikidata-Data and = make them searchable in a semantic Way. But this is the future... The idea behind ''Semantic MediaWiki'' (aka. SMW; aka. SemediaWiki) ist = to mark informations for storing them within an semantic Database. The = Example from your URL in SMW might look like: =20 <Example> The [[rdfs:type::Film]] '''[[Title:=3DGone with the Wind]]''' created in = the [[:Year:=3D1939]] was titled the most magnificent picture ever. Its = an epic story of a [[about::woman]] who can cope with everything in the = [[about::United States Civil War]] except losing the [[about::love]] of = the man she wants to another. It has a Runtime of [[Duration:=3D238 = min|238 Minutes]] and was created in the [[created::United States of = America|US]] in [[Color Format::Technicolor]].=20 The actors are:=20 *[[Actor::Thomas Mitchel]] as [[Character:=3DGerald O'Hara]] </Example> Note: The last two links might need a better syntax than the current = implementation of SMW actually allows.=20 Wikidata is more about handling of typed Tables using Templates. Afaik = is the syntax not public till now (so don't kill me if I'm completly = wrong), but it might rely on the syntax for Templates. An Example as I = might do such a thing might be: <Example> {| !colspan=3D"2" {{highlight1}} width=3D"300px"| [[{{:Data|Type|Film}}]] |- ! Year || {{{:Data|Year|Year|Autolinking of years}}} |- | Tagline || {{{:Data|Tagline|String}}} |- | Plot summary || {{{:Data|Plot summary|String|255|Maximum 255 = characters<br/>Autolink to Wikidata}}} |- |colspan=3D"2"| Actor(s) and Character(s)=20 |- |colspan=3D"2"| {{{:Data|Actor(s) =3D = Character(s)|HashList|String|String|ul|One pair of actors/characters per = line<br/>Names will be autolinked}}} |- | Runtime || {{{:Data|Runtime (min.)|Integer}}} [[Minute|min.]] |- | Country || [[{{{:Data|Country|String|Autolinking of country names}}}]] |- | Color Format || {{{:Data|Color|String}}}=20 |- |} </Example> Surely, it might be possible to do both, Wikidata and SMW within the = same Template:=20 <Example> {| !colspan=3D"2" {{highlight1}} width=3D"300px"| = [[rdfs:type::{{:Data|Type|Film}}]] |- ! Year || [[Year:=3D{{{:Data|Year|Year|Autolinking of years}}}]] |- </Example> etc.=20 The currently discussed interoperability solution might be to provide an = Interface, where the Data from the Wikidata-Databases can get extracted = by a script and imported into the SMW-Datastore. Anyway I feel this = double-tabling frustrating, cause it will lead to additional cost of = computer resources (namely Memory, CPU, and Bandwith). The better = solution might be to store all within the SMW-Database and implement the = Wikidata-Tables just as Database-Views using a kind of = Privot-Functionality.=20 If you want to have more information about Wikidata you might want to = visit http://wiktionaryz.org/ which is the first implementation of = Wikidata, even it seems to specialize to Languages only. As far as I've = seen that it is still not editable for the common :-( ys, MovGP0 > Ingmar wrote:=20 > > Hi there! > > I'm currently evaluating a way of offering the user forms to edit = Mediawiki pages. (MW with the Semantic Mediawiki=20 > ext). Now I saw Wikidata, but am unsure about what it really is. I was = especially impressed by > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Wikidata-mockup.png > > So what I need is basically a relational system with templates = containing forms. Is there anything ready-made out=20 > there? > > Cheers, > Ingmar |
From: Markus <ma...@ai...> - 2006-09-30 18:34:04
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On Sunday 24 September 2006 23:52, MovGP0 wrote: > Hi, > Wikidata is another Development that has nothing to do with Semantic Media > Wiki, except that there are Plans to use the Wikidata-Data and make them > searchable in a semantic Way. But this is the future... In fact, Wikidata is in active development and is not looking entirely=20 different from the mock-up you saw. There is also a non-public demo for=20 Wikidata as used with WiktionaryZ. The reason why Wikidata is not productiv= e=20 yet is that it is a re-implementation of the whole wiki, and they still hav= e=20 some features that need to be added. Especially Wikidata does not support=20 versioning at the moment -- when you change something, the earlier version = is=20 gone. That's why the demo is not public (but intereted people can get acces= s=20 by writing an email to Gerard Meysen or Erik Moeller). Semantic MediaWiki (SMW), in contrast, extends MediaWiki and just reuses mo= st=20 of its features. It enables annotation of articles and thus allows you to=20 collect "relational" data in normal wiki articles. But in contrast to=20 Wikidata, SMW has no fixed schema and is thus more flexible but also less=20 efficient if your application really has one fixed schema. See the online=20 docu for more info: http://ontoworld.org/wiki/SMW. > > The idea behind ''Semantic MediaWiki'' (aka. SMW; aka. SemediaWiki) ist to > mark informations for storing them within an semantic Database. The Examp= le > from your URL in SMW might look like: > > <Example> <snip> > </Example> I am sorry to say that the above example is not functional in the current S= MW,=20 or at least it syntax in a way that is not working as the example suggests.= I=20 think the docu is the best place to start for getting the idea and syntax.= =20 Its rather simple, really. > > Note: The last two links might need a better syntax than the current > implementation of SMW actually allows. (in other words: the example does not work in SMW ;-) > > Wikidata is more about handling of typed Tables using Templates. Afaik is > the syntax not public till now (so don't kill me if I'm completly wrong), > but it might rely on the syntax for Templates.=20 I am not sure. It displays special forms instead of free-form wiki-text, an= d I=20 don't know how the schema for those forms is defined. Basically each articl= e=20 becomes a view on a relational database -- which is the reason why=20 implementing versioning is so complicated and will still take some time. Anyway, the demo is not "secret" but just non-public. Everybody who wants t= o=20 know details will surely get information. There also as a=20 Wikidata/WiktionaryZ talk by Eric during Wikimaina this year, ad you might = be=20 able to find information from this. > An Example as I might do=20 > such a thing might be: > <snip> > > The currently discussed interoperability solution might be to provide an > Interface, where the Data from the Wikidata-Databases can get extracted by > a script and imported into the SMW-Datastore. Anyway I feel this > double-tabling frustrating, cause it will lead to additional cost of > computer resources (namely Memory, CPU, and Bandwith). The better solution > might be to store all within the SMW-Database and implement the > Wikidata-Tables just as Database-Views using a kind of > Privot-Functionality. It is not discussed yet how SMW and Wikidata can directly interoperate when= =20 used in one wiki. However, Eric ensures me that Wikidata will eventually=20 feature an RDF export which would then allow you to combine SMW-data and=20 Wikidata-data in applications. AFAIK Wikidata currently does not provide a= =20 way for querying the database, so the question of how to query SMW from=20 Wikidata does not arise yet. For the converse I could imagine that SMW's=20 Inline Queries and upcoming browing features could be extended to access=20 Wikidata as well. But this remains to be seen when Wikidata is available. > > If you want to have more information about Wikidata you might want to vis= it > http://wiktionaryz.org/ which is the first implementation of Wikidata, ev= en > it seems to specialize to Languages only. As far as I've seen that it is > still not editable for the common :-( True, but I am sure everyone of us could get logins, if we ask nicely :-)=20 Regards, Markus > > > ys, MovGP0 > > > Ingmar wrote: > > > > Hi there! > > > > I'm currently evaluating a way of offering the user forms to edit > > Mediawiki pages. (MW with the Semantic Mediawiki ext). Now I saw > > Wikidata, but am unsure about what it really is. I was especially > > impressed by > > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Wikidata-mockup.png > > > > So what I need is basically a relational system with templates containi= ng > > forms. Is there anything ready-made out there? > > > > Cheers, > > Ingmar > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share > your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn > cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=3Djoin.php&p=3Dsourceforge&CID=3D= DEVDEV > _______________________________________________ > Semediawiki-devel mailing list > Sem...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel =2D-=20 Markus Kr=F6tzsch Institute AIFB, University of Karlsruhe, D-76128 Karlsruhe ma...@ai... phone +49 (0)721 608 7362 www.aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de/WBS/ fax +49 (0)721 693 717 |