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Re: [Semediawiki-user] Semediawiki-user Digest, Vol 39, Issue 19 Re: Complete user manual for Semantic MediaWiki 1.4.3 as PDF
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From: Wloka <wl...@on...> - 2009-08-14 15:30:06
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Hi, since on the semantic-mediawiki.org site is no copyright reference given, I haven't wrote for this reason a reference to the original author. But my enquiries result in the fact (according to German right), that a creator has automatically ownership, even if no copyright is noted. So, I will change the copyright reference in the manual accordingly. Regards, Dominika -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: sem...@li... [mailto:sem...@li...] Gesendet: Freitag, 14. August 2009 00:23 An: sem...@li... Betreff: Semediawiki-user Digest, Vol 39, Issue 19 Send Semediawiki-user mailing list submissions to sem...@li... To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to sem...@li... You can reach the person managing the list at sem...@li... When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Semediawiki-user digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Complete user manual for Semantic MediaWiki 1.4.3 as PDF (Daniel Friesen) 2. Re: Complete user manual for Semantic MediaWiki 1.4.3 as PDF (Yaron Koren) 3. Re: Allowing options if the page exists (Jack D. Pond) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:24:28 -0700 From: Daniel Friesen <li...@da...> Subject: Re: [Semediawiki-user] Complete user manual for Semantic MediaWiki 1.4.3 as PDF To: sem...@li... Message-ID: <h61lot$mao$1...@ge...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Nooo... Republishing a copyrighted non-licensed document under GFDL is copyright infringement. Republishing a GFDL licensed document is following the license. When it comes to the pieces big projects like say, MediaWiki, are actually composed up of lots of separate copyright. Each contributor holds the copyright to whatever chunk of code they authored, they all agree to license it under the GPL (modifying and redistributing GPL code can only be done under the GPL; unless everyone that holds copyright agrees to do something else) It's also possible to transfer copyright from one person to another, or from one person to a single entity. Like how the FSF requires contributors to most GNU code to either transfer copyright to the FSF or make it PD (preferably the fomer; the idea being so that the FSF actually has the copyright to protect the program against the people who violate the GPL). A copyright statement is necessary, however the statement needs to be correct. If it was written by a bunch of people the primary people need to be listed and the rest can be included with a "[...] and others." just like what you see on any Special:Version page: "This wiki is powered by MediaWiki, copyright (C) 2001-2008 Magnus Manske, Brion Vibber, Lee Daniel Crocker, Tim Starling, Erik M?ller, Gabriel Wicke, ?var Arnfj?r? Bjarmason, Niklas Laxstr?m, Domas Mituzas, Rob Church, Yuri Astrakhan, Aryeh Gregor, Aaron Schulz and others." ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name] Yaron Koren wrote: > Well, you may not be aware of it, but almost all of the text of this > document was actually written by people outside of Ontoprise, despite > the "Copyright ? 2009 Ontoprise GmbH" statement - which actually makes > that copyright statement doubly strange to me. Doesn't that change the > nature of the issue? > > Also, I'm not convinced that re-publishing a GFDL-licensed document, > with minor changes, constitutes copyright infringement - I thought > that was the whole point of open-source licenses. But now we may be on > two separate topics. > > -Yaron > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Daniel Friesen > <li...@da... > <mailto:li...@da...>> wrote: > > Ya, that's why you're not allowed to release it under the GFDL. What > you'd be doing is called copyright infringement. > > ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) > [http://daniel.friesen.name] > > Yaron Koren wrote: > > Are you sure about that? What if I were to make an exact copy of the > > document, only changing each page to a light green background, then > > re-published it under GFDL - surely I wouldn't hold the copyright to > > that work, would I? > > > > -Yaron > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Daniel Friesen > > <li...@da... > <mailto:li...@da...> > > <mailto:li...@da... > <mailto:li...@da...>>> > wrote: > > > > Copyright is necessary. Every open-source project released > under a > > FOSS > > is copyrighted to someone. > > A License doesn't do anything at all on it's own, it's > nothing but a > > document. Using a license means you're stating "I have the > > copyright to > > this, but you can do this with it" and the license is what > defines > > what > > can be done with it. Copyright is what allows the rights > that the > > license gives to be exercised. > > > > ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) > > [http://daniel.friesen.name] > > > > Yaron Koren wrote: > > > Alright, cool. I still think that "copyright" line doesn't > > belong; see > > > here: > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright > > > > > > From the first line: "Copyright gives the author of an > original work > > > exclusive right for a certain time period in relation to > that work, > > > including its publication, distribution and adaptation" - that > > clearly > > > isn't the case here. > > > > > > -Yaron > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:36 AM, Wloka > > > <wloka@ontoprise..de > <mailto:wl...@on...> > > <mailto:wl...@on... > <mailto:wl...@on...>> > > > <mailto:wl...@on... > <mailto:wl...@on...> > > <mailto:wl...@on... > <mailto:wl...@on...>>>> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Yaron, > > > > > > > > > > > > I?ve updated the SMW manual so far. The licence was > not changed, > > > the manual is dual-licensed with GFDL and still CC-By. I > > apologize > > > for missing authors, but it?s impossible to note all > > contributors > > > having worked on this huge documentation. As you > proposed, I?ve > > > added ?et al.? to the authors list. > > > > > > > > > > > > @all: You can download now the updated manual from > SMW+ User > > Forum > > > > > > http://smwforum.ontoprise.com/smwforum/images/2/2f/Manual_SMW_143.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Dominika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > *Von:* Yaron Koren > > [mailto:ya...@gm... > <mailto:ya...@gm...> > > <mailto:ya...@gm... > <mailto:ya...@gm...>> > > > > <mailto:ya...@gm... > <mailto:ya...@gm...> > > <mailto:ya...@gm... > <mailto:ya...@gm...>>>] > > > *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 12. August 2009 00:38 > > > *An:* Wloka > > > *Cc:* > > > sem...@li... > <mailto:sem...@li...> > > > <mailto:sem...@li... > <mailto:sem...@li...>> > > > > > > <mailto:sem...@li... > <mailto:sem...@li...> > > > <mailto:sem...@li... > <mailto:sem...@li...>>> > > > *Betreff:* Re: [Semediawiki-user] Complete user manual for > > > Semantic MediaWiki 1.4.3 as PDF > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > It's great that you put this together; it should be quite > > helpful. > > > A few thoughts, though: > > > > > > - By "SMW User group", do you mean "SMW+ User Forum"? > Or is it > > > both now? > > > - The first page of the manual states "Copyright ? 2009 > > Ontoprise > > > GmbH", but it also says that the manual is available > under GFDL. > > > Are those not mutually contradictory? I'm not a > > copyright/license > > > expert, so I could be wrong. > > > - Similarly, the manual gets all, or nearly all, of > its content > > > from semantic-mediawiki.org > <http://semantic-mediawiki.org> <http://semantic-mediawiki.org> > > <http://semantic-mediawiki.org>, whose > > > content is distributed via CC-By. Are you allowed to > just change > > > the license to GFDL? > > > - The authors are listed as "Dominika Wloka, Markus > Kr?tzsch, > > > Denny Vrandecic", although there have been other > authors of the > > > content from semantic-mediawiki.org > <http://semantic-mediawiki..org> > > <http://semantic-mediawiki.org> > > > <http://semantic-mediawiki.org>; I contributed a good > > amount, for > > > one thing. At the very least, the authors list should > contain > > > something like "et al.", to note the other > contributors; perhaps > > > it should also list more people. > > > - It's also odd that you, Dominika, are listed as the sole > > author > > > of the SMW+ Forum's SMW documentation, since a good amount > > of that > > > is copied from semantic-mediawiki.org > <http://semantic-mediawiki.org> > > <http://semantic-mediawiki.org> > > > <http://semantic-mediawiki.org> as well. > > > > > > -Yaron > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Wloka > > > <wl...@on... > <mailto:wl...@on...> > > <mailto:wl...@on... > <mailto:wl...@on...>> > > > <mailto:wl...@on... > <mailto:wl...@on...> > > <mailto:wl...@on... > <mailto:wl...@on...>>>> wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have created a PDF of the user manual for the latest SMW > > release > > > 1.4.3. You can get it from the SMW User group here: > > > > > > http://smwforum.ontoprise.com/smwforum/images/2/2f/Manual_SMW_143.pdf > > > > > > Have fun! > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Dominika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - - - > > > > > > Dominika Wloka > > > > > > Professional Services > > > ontoprise GmbH ? /know how to use Know-how/ > > > > > > - - - > > > > > > ontoprise erweitert Freelancer-Portal von Etengo mit > > semantischen > > > Technologien zum intelligenten Skill-Matching > > > > > > <http://www.ontoprise.de/deutsch/start/news/news-de/semantische-technologien -zum-intelligenten-skill-matching/> > > > > > > - - - > > > An der RaumFabrik 29; 76227 Karlsruhe > > > Tel.: +49 721 509809-0; Fax: +49 721 509809-11 > > > > > > mailto:wl...@on... > <mailto:wl...@on...> > > <mailto:wl...@on... > <mailto:wl...@on...>> > > > <mailto:wl...@on... > <mailto:wl...@on...> > > <mailto:wl...@on... > <mailto:wl...@on...>>>; www: > > > _http://www.ontoprise.de <http://www.ontoprise.de/>_ > > > Sitz der Gesellschaft: Karlsruhe; Amtsgericht > Mannheim, HRB > > 109540 > > > Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Prof. Dr. J?rgen Angele, Dipl.Wi.-Ing. > > Hans-Peter > > > Schnurr > > > - - - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free > Crystal Reports > > > 2008 30-Day > > > trial. 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Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:52:23 -0400 From: Yaron Koren <ya...@gm...> Subject: Re: [Semediawiki-user] Complete user manual for Semantic MediaWiki 1.4.3 as PDF To: Daniel Friesen <li...@da...> Cc: sem...@li... Message-ID: <55d...@ma...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Right, but the document *is* GFDL-licensed, so I still don't think it would be copyright infringement. In any case, the rest of what you wrote makes a lot of sense. So, Dominika - would it possible to at least expand the copyright statement? -Yaron On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Daniel Friesen <li...@da...>wrote: > Nooo... Republishing a copyrighted non-licensed document under GFDL is > copyright infringement. > > Republishing a GFDL licensed document is following the license. When it > comes to the pieces big projects like say, MediaWiki, are actually > composed up of lots of separate copyright. Each contributor holds the > copyright to whatever chunk of code they authored, they all agree to > license it under the GPL (modifying and redistributing GPL code can only > be done under the GPL; unless everyone that holds copyright agrees to do > something else) > It's also possible to transfer copyright from one person to another, or > from one person to a single entity. Like how the FSF requires > contributors to most GNU code to either transfer copyright to the FSF or > make it PD (preferably the fomer; the idea being so that the FSF > actually has the copyright to protect the program against the people who > violate the GPL). > > A copyright statement is necessary, however the statement needs to be > correct. If it was written by a bunch of people the primary people need > to be listed and the rest can be included with a "[...] and others." > just like what you see on any Special:Version page: > "This wiki is powered by MediaWiki, copyright (C) 2001-2008 Magnus > Manske, Brion Vibber, Lee Daniel Crocker, Tim Starling, Erik M?ller, > Gabriel Wicke, ?var Arnfj?r? Bjarmason, Niklas Laxstr?m, Domas Mituzas, > Rob Church, Yuri Astrakhan, Aryeh Gregor, Aaron Schulz and others." > > ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name] > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:22:14 -0400 From: "Jack D. Pond" <jac...@ps...> Subject: Re: [Semediawiki-user] Allowing options if the page exists To: "'pipi'" <pip...@in...>, "'SMW user list'" <sem...@li...> Message-ID: <463FAE5C30C944408E3322A1BDE859DB@JDPLaptopDV7> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Here's a way around this that will edit the exiting information if it exists, otherwise create and edit new page - although admittedly not elegant. Also, according to the Extension:Semantic_Forms documentation: Special:EditData - lets a user edit an existing page using a user-defined form. (See example of page) This page is somewhat deprecated. (the "somewhat deprecated" clause bothers me) Assumption: You have Extension:ParserFunctions loaded [[ {{#ifexist: <<your page name>> | Special:EditData/<<your form name>>/<<your page name>> | Special:AddData/<<your form name>>/<<your page name>> }} | <<your link text>>]] Example: <<your page name>> = Example Page <<your form name>> = Example Form <<your text name>> = Click here to edit [[ {{#ifexist: Example Page | Special:EditData/Example Form/Example Page | Special:AddData/Example Form/Example Page }} | Click here to edit]] > -----Original Message----- > From: pipi [mailto:pip...@in...] > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:40 PM > To: SMW user list > Subject: [Semediawiki-user] Allowing options if the page exists > > Hi friends! > > I'm using Special:AddData to create a new page, and page > title is derived from a value of a field across 'page name' > parameter of {{{info tag. If the page exists, the new one > overrides it. How can I warn the user the existing page, or > how can I allow two options for him/her: > 1. ) Override. > 2. ) Go to existing page or editing the old page with form. > > Many thanks: PiPi > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal > Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, > integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, > core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal > Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Semediawiki-user mailing list > Sem...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user > ------------------------------ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Semediawiki-user mailing list Sem...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-user End of Semediawiki-user Digest, Vol 39, Issue 19 ************************************************ |