Re: [Salix-main] Salix Live Xfce 14.1 beta3

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Please allow me to add to this discussion.   I believe that no matter 
how a hard drive installation of Salix is done (either from Live or 
installed media) the user should expect the same experience, from 
booting through the various applications that are installed. With 
regards to booting Live media, I don't think that the boot method 
matters as the mere fact that the act of booting is different from that 
of a hard drive.  In case of Live media, one needs to insert or plugin 
the media, then select the appropriate media to boot, whereas the hard 
drive boot just requires the power up of the system.

As for grub or elilo as the choice to UEFI boot the Live media, from my 
experience, grub is not necessary better option.  I have tried both 
Fedora and Mint Live media, both using grub.  They both use a plain text 
menu with no color of graphics.  The elilo menu screen that I posted in 
the forum although not great, is actually better looking than the grub 
menus.

Anyway it all maybe a moot point since I could not get the beta3 to UEFI 
boot at all.  I first installed Live using the install_on_usb-grub.sh 
script.  This resulted in two boot option showing up in the UEFI menu, 
with neither able to boot.  In both cases, my system booted to the 
default boot option which is my hard drive Salix installation.  I then 
tried dd'ing the image to the USB stick,  This resulted in a single boot 
option in the UEFI menu. Selecting this option resulted into booting 
into a grub prompt without any indication on how to boot any OS.

Here's what the usb stick partitioning look for the two methods that I 
used to install on the usb stick.

*_Using install_on_usb-grub_*

Two UEFI boot menu opts, neither booted.

Model: ADATA USB Flash Drive (scsi)
Disk /dev/sdb: 4058MB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: gpt
Disk Flags: pmbr_boot

Number  Start   End     Size    File system  Name Flags
128     17.4kB  1049kB  1031kB               BIOS boot partition bios_grub
  1      1049kB  34.6MB  33.6MB  fat16        EFI System boot
  2      34.6MB  4058MB  4023MB  fat32        Microsoft basic data
*_
_**_dd'ing image to the usb stick _*

one UEFI boot menu options, boots to grub prompt.

Disk /dev/sdb: 4057 MB, 4057989120 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 493 cylinders, total 7925760 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x726679b6

    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1   *           0     1595391      797696    0  Empty
/dev/sdb2             136        2183        1024   ef  EFI (FAT-12/16/32)
rich[~]$

Regards

Rich Lapointe (laprjns)

On 10/23/2014 07:02 PM, tim.beech wrote:
> As I understand it there is no reason Live shouldn't boot with Grub or
> in any other way that works. The point is that the Salix installed by
> Live (with SLI) should be identical to the original Salix 14.1 release.
> So *that* can't boot with Grub. But Live itself can; and it seems that
> is a better option because it is more flexible and looks better.
>
> I'm sorry, I'm probably repeating myself.
>
> On Fri, 24 Oct 2014, Dimitris Tzemos wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 00:37:17 +0300 (EEST)
>> George Vlahavas<vla...@gm...>  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm sorry, but this is wrong.
>>>
>>> We cannot have one boot manager when installed from a standard
>>> installation iso and then another when installed from a live iso.
>>>
>> we could since elilo is limited. We used grub in the old live isos. But
>> it is simple to prepare a live iso with elilo menus since they has been
>> tested. In this case menus will have limited choises up to 15 and user
>> has to type to boot e.g. with persistence or acpi=off. elilo menus are
>> ungly.
>>
>>> In general, we don't want to get to have cases like "you get A if you
>>> install from the standard iso and B if you install from live". Where
>>> does it stop? An installation from live should be identical to a
>>> standard installation as much as possible.
>>>
>>> I'm already perplexed as to why avahi and remmina are present in the
>>> live iso. I know it was like that in previous live isos (in 13.37) as
>>> well, but that's no excuse really and these are also cases where live
>>> differs from standard and it shouldn't. If people think that we
>>> should have that in a Salix installation, then we should also have
>>> them in a standard installation, not only live. This is a decision
>>> for Salix in general, not specific to live and it should be made
>>> before the next salix release (14.2 or whatever).
>>>
>> i think remina is useful. avahi is mabe need i have to see it. If
>> they can be removed why not.
>>> *If* we move to grub, that has to be done for the standard iso first
>>> (in our next release) and then live should just follow. This is a
>>> decision to make for the distribution in general. It's not a decision
>>> that has to be made separately for live. And as far as I remember,
>>> there was already a discussion about lilo+elilo/grub before releasing
>>> 14.1 and we ended up deciding that we should stick to the same ones
>>> as slackware. Once again, this is a discussion for the next release.
>>>
>>> Otherwise, the feeling I'm getting is that Salix is a random mashup
>>> of different software. Should it be?
>>>
>> the only difference is the boot loader everything else is the same,
>> lists are the same except live list need for live.
>>
>> Again just tell me to prepare a live with elilo since bash flash-plugin
>> latest versions are included in iso images.
>>
>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2014, Dimitris Tzemos wrote:
>>>
>>>> Live ISO images
>>>> 32-bit (i686):
>>>> (size: 761 MB, md5sum: 62ae4691c92ec866c659331d63d729c7)
>>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/salix/files/14.1/salixlive-xfce-14.1-beta3.iso/download
>>>>
>>>> 64-bit (x86_64):
>>>> (size: 779 MB, md5sum: bca6490913f75ee86027878eec6cfb54)
>>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/salix/files/14.1/salixlive64-xfce-14.1-beta3.iso/download
>>>>
>>>> iso images boot on syslinux and after installation grub installed.
>>>> This has been tested on 32 bit (boot from usb, installation to hd)
>>>> I dont know on uefi boot if grub enabled.
>>>> This need test from users having uefi system.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> SLI 1.2.1 has now a progress bar and install grub.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for testing
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