rssview-developers

Re: [Rssview-developers] Proposal for Release Plan

[Martin K. <ci...@gm...>]

Am Freitag, 9. April 2004 18:14 schrieb Christoph Walcher:

> Bug [ 927822 ] Older articles show up again
> Bug [ 927820 ] Started RssView, selected channel's article view is greyed

Let's fix the stuff, which users simply don't expect to happen.
The bugs above are surely some of them.

It would be also a good idea to make the folder-icons work, like
users expect it. When you select a folder icon, the view should
show all news (recursively) under the folder and its children.

For beta, which should also test if our persistance mechanism
really works well. Some people reported issues about it to me.

> * Work to do for productive release:
> Bug [ 932377 ] RssView application icon does not look good
> Performance enhancements
> Fix bugs found in beta release

These are minor problems.

> While collecting bug reports and feature requests for this email I noticed
> that there are Trackers I really don't know how to deal with. Here's the
> list:
>
> * Bugs:
> [ 727713 ] Proxy support not working.

Forget it, I tried many approaches. I always failed. It's simply
to complicated to implement proxy authentication and if it's
complicated, it means it's not our issue, but Java's one.

I found workarounds, but these are really bad hacks including
BASE64-decoding etc.

Let's forget it for now.

> [ 932253 ] ISO-8859-1 character encoding not recognized

This one should be already fixed by a previous patch by
Francesco.

> * Feature Requests:
> [ 927865 ] RSS Version 1.0 and RSS-PRISM enhancement
> [ 908485 ] Article order in the "Article View" mode
> [ 765037 ] Allow proxy setting for each feed.
> [ 736864 ] Support for Proxy Authentication
> [ 732945 ] Browser Settings

No RFEs for release, please.

> How should we handle these bugs/requests. I suggest to neglect all Proxy
> releated Trackers because this should be configured via Java-Plugin
> preferences (or am I wrong).

I'm not sure if the Java-Plugin preferences thingy offers proxy
authentication. Let's forget it for now (see above).

> Informa kernel really looks good but it's definitly hard work to integrate
> Informa into RssView. I'd suggest to use Informa but before beginning
> integration we should do a productive release of rssview.
>
> Ciao
> Christoph
>
> PS: I'm writing a Prototype using Informa kernel - just as an experiment :)

Wow. Keep us up-to-date about your progress. I believe that our code
will get cleaner if we use a library as a parser.

Martin

RE: [Rssview-developers] Proposal for Release Plan

[Christoph W. <chr...@we...>]

Martin Krzysiak wrote:
> Am Freitag, 9. April 2004 18:14 schrieb Christoph Walcher:
>=20
>> Bug [ 927822 ] Older articles show up again
>> Bug [ 927820 ] Started RssView, selected channel's article view is
>> greyed
>=20
> Let's fix the stuff, which users simply don't expect to happen. The
> bugs above are surely some of them.=20

Ok, but we should try to collect the things "users simply don't expect =
to
happen" in our bug tracker.

> It would be also a good idea to make the folder-icons work, like
> users expect it. When you select a folder icon, the view should show
> all news (recursively) under the folder and its children. =20

Filed a bug report I think i can correct with reasonable effort.

> For beta, which should also test if our persistance mechanism really
> works well. Some people reported issues about it to me.=20

For me the persistence mechanism works fine - there are some performance
problems if too many data sets were stored. We should not spend the time =
for
a fix if we plan to migrate to informa.

>> * Work to do for productive release:
>> Bug [ 932377 ] RssView application icon does not look good
>> Performance enhancements Fix bugs found in beta release
>=20
> These are minor problems.

Of course - mentioning application icon issue was a joke...

>> While collecting bug reports and feature requests for this email I
>> noticed that there are Trackers I really don't know how to deal
>> with. Here's the list:
>>=20
>> * Bugs:
>> [ 727713 ] Proxy support not working.
>=20
> Forget it, I tried many approaches. I always failed. It's simply to
> complicated to implement proxy authentication and if it's
> complicated, it means it's not our issue, but Java's one. =20
>=20
> I found workarounds, but these are really bad hacks including
> BASE64-decoding etc.=20
>=20
> Let's forget it for now.

Yes! But we should kick these issues out of our trackers too.

>> [ 932253 ] ISO-8859-1 character encoding not recognized
>=20
> This one should be already fixed by a previous patch by Francesco.
>=20
>> * Feature Requests:
>> [ 927865 ] RSS Version 1.0 and RSS-PRISM enhancement
>> [ 908485 ] Article order in the "Article View" mode
>> [ 765037 ] Allow proxy setting for each feed.
>> [ 736864 ] Support for Proxy Authentication
>> [ 732945 ] Browser Settings
>=20
> No RFEs for release, please.

Yes!

>> How should we handle these bugs/requests. I suggest to neglect all
>> Proxy releated Trackers because this should be configured via
>> Java-Plugin preferences (or am I wrong).
>=20
> I'm not sure if the Java-Plugin preferences thingy offers proxy
> authentication. Let's forget it for now (see above).=20
>=20
>> Informa kernel really looks good but it's definitly hard work to
>> integrate Informa into RssView. I'd suggest to use Informa but before
>> beginning integration we should do a productive release of rssview.
>>=20
>> Ciao
>> Christoph
>>=20
>> PS: I'm writing a Prototype using Informa kernel - just as an
>> experiment :)
>=20
> Wow. Keep us up-to-date about your progress. I believe that our code
> will get cleaner if we use a library as a parser.=20

Some words to the prototype. I found a way to migrate softly to informa. =
We
could use informa for now like we use the RssParser class and "map" the
ChannelIF objects informa uses to our RssChannel objects. We would not =
be
able to display all benefits of RSS 1.0 or 2.0 but we could read these =
Feeds
and display basic (RSS 0.91) informations. What do you think about this
approach? To be realistic this would take a couple of hours (2-3).

Ciao
Christoph

Re: [Rssview-developers] Proposal for Release Plan

[Martin K. <ci...@gm...>]

Am Samstag, 10. April 2004 01:06 schrieb Christoph Walcher:
> > I found workarounds, but these are really bad hacks including
> > BASE64-decoding etc.
> >
> > Let's forget it for now.
>
> Yes! But we should kick these issues out of our trackers too.

An RFE can stay for long time. I marked the bug as a dupe
and moved it to the RFE forum.

Someone has written a solution for this, but did not submit a patch.

> Some words to the prototype. I found a way to migrate softly to informa. We
> could use informa for now like we use the RssParser class and "map" the
> ChannelIF objects informa uses to our RssChannel objects. We would not be
> able to display all benefits of RSS 1.0 or 2.0 but we could read these
> Feeds and display basic (RSS 0.91) informations. What do you think about
> this approach? To be realistic this would take a couple of hours (2-3).

Using informa in release could fix a couple of problems. If it does not
introduce new problems, we can try it out. Will you tag the tree
if you commit the informa patch, please?

Martin

Re: [Rssview-developers] Proposal for Release Plan

[Matthias S. <sch...@su...>]

Hi *,

at least one bug i filed is related to XML/RDF Parsing ( 927822 ). 

The phenomena of older articles reapear only exists on some RDF Feeds like:

'http://www.golem.de/golem_backend.rdf'
'http://www.theregister.co.uk/feeds/latest.rdf
'http://www.macosxhints.com/backend/geeklog.rdf'
'http://www.wired.com/news_drop/netcenter/netcenter.rdf'
'http://www.heise.de/newsticker/heise.rdf'
'http://www.ftd.de/static/ticker/ftd-topnews.rdf'
'http://www.osnews.com/files/recent.rdf'

Therefore I have moved the category of this Bug to XML-Parsing and switched 
the Resolution to 'later', because this highly depends on the parsing 
decisions we have to make.

Although I would like to see a new release and would like to recommend a 
feature-freeze, there are probably two things we have to make first:

1.) Switch to informa, to get rid of parsing-related bugs.
2.) Make Folders persistent, and let users group their feeds in these folders.

I think, that giving the user the ability to create folders and then forget 
about them after a restart is a no-no. So we have to option to disable this 
feature, or make it work for a new RssViewer release.

Christoph, you have closed the corresponding Bug, have you fixed this?

cheers,

Matthias

Am Samstag, 10. April 2004 08:02 schrieb Martin Krzysiak:
> Am Samstag, 10. April 2004 01:06 schrieb Christoph Walcher:
> > > I found workarounds, but these are really bad hacks including
> > > BASE64-decoding etc.
> > >
> > > Let's forget it for now.
> >
> > Yes! But we should kick these issues out of our trackers too.
>
> An RFE can stay for long time. I marked the bug as a dupe
> and moved it to the RFE forum.
>
> Someone has written a solution for this, but did not submit a patch.
>
> > Some words to the prototype. I found a way to migrate softly to informa.
> > We could use informa for now like we use the RssParser class and "map"
> > the ChannelIF objects informa uses to our RssChannel objects. We would
> > not be able to display all benefits of RSS 1.0 or 2.0 but we could read
> > these Feeds and display basic (RSS 0.91) informations. What do you think
> > about this approach? To be realistic this would take a couple of hours
> > (2-3).
>
> Using informa in release could fix a couple of problems. If it does not
> introduce new problems, we can try it out. Will you tag the tree
> if you commit the informa patch, please?
>
> Martin
>
>
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RE: [Rssview-developers] Proposal for Release Plan

[Christoph W. <chr...@we...>]

Matthias Schmidt wrote:
> Hi *,
> 
> at least one bug i filed is related to XML/RDF Parsing ( 927822 ).
> 
> The phenomena of older articles reapear only exists on some RDF Feeds
> like: 
> 
> 'http://www.golem.de/golem_backend.rdf'
> 'http://www.theregister.co.uk/feeds/latest.rdf
> 'http://www.macosxhints.com/backend/geeklog.rdf'
> 'http://www.wired.com/news_drop/netcenter/netcenter.rdf'
> 'http://www.heise.de/newsticker/heise.rdf'
> 'http://www.ftd.de/static/ticker/ftd-topnews.rdf'
> 'http://www.osnews.com/files/recent.rdf'

Thanks, thats important - never had any Problems with my Feeds :)

> Therefore I have moved the category of this Bug to XML-Parsing and
> switched the Resolution to 'later', because this highly depends on
> the parsing decisions we have to make.
> 
> Although I would like to see a new release and would like to
> recommend a feature-freeze, there are probably two things we have to
> make first: 
> 
> 1.) Switch to informa, to get rid of parsing-related bugs.
> 2.) Make Folders persistent, and let users group their feeds in these
> folders. 

Folders should be persistent - I'll have a look...

Ciao
Christoph