From: jott27 <wil...@co...> - 2006-12-27 16:01:49
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Rosegarden is anything but simple. My first attempt was with the Jack command in the sequencer setup set to /usr/bin/qjackctl -s No sound, the sequencer status was MIDI OK, no audio Next, I started TiMidity at boot time. This enabled the sound, and rosegarden played well, although the sequencer status still showed no audio. But qjackctl showed that Jack is running! Next I changed the Jack command in the sequencer setup to /usr/bin/jackd -d alsa -d hw -r44100 -p -n2 With this setting the sequencer status was MIDI OK, audio OK and rosegarden played well, but only if TiMidity was started before (at boot time). I seem to recall that some time ago I used rosegarden on a different distro (SuSE 9.2) without having to use TiMidity. Have know idea how I managed it to play properly. Back in my mind I seem to recall that it had something to do with arTsd interfering with alsa. Knowing siltch about any of this, just leaves me only wondering what goes on . -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Rosegarden-Sound-Server-tf2886563.html#a8064194 Sent from the Rosegarden - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: Pedro Lopez-C. <ped...@gm...> - 2006-12-27 18:47:00
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On Wednesday, 27 December 2006 17:01, jott27 wrote: > Rosegarden is anything but simple. Thou spoke the truth, man. But there are some available resources to learn the basic concepts. Starting with the tutorial (Help -> Rosegarden Tutorial) and the Handbook (Help -> Rosegarden Handbook). Here is the tutorial online: http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/en/chapter-0.html > My first attempt was with the Jack command in the sequencer setup set > to /usr/bin/qjackctl -s qjackctl is a interactive GUI to manage JACK. You should start it from the command line, or from a menu item. Then, use its "Setup..." button to set some parameters, and then press the "Start" button to launch the JACK daemon. > No sound, the sequencer status was MIDI OK, no audio > Next, I started TiMidity at boot time. > This enabled the sound, and rosegarden played well, although the sequencer > status still showed no audio. But qjackctl showed that Jack is running! Timidity is a soft synth. A syhtesizer converts MIDI input data into digital audio. Timidity can take MIDI input from a .mid file, or from ALSA sequencer input ports. The output can go to a .wav file, or the soundcard, using one of the available OSS, ALSA or JACK layers. The command line options are (from man timidity): Available interfaces (-i, --interface option): -id dumb interface -ir remote interface -iA ALSA sequencer interface [...] (some more) Available output modes (-O, --output-mode option): -Od dsp device -Os ALSA pcm device -OR aRts -Oe Enlightened sound daemon -Op Portaudio Driver -Oj JACK device -On Network Audio Server -OO Libao mode [...] (many more) To use Timidity with Rosegarden, you should use its ALSA sequencer interface for MIDI input, and JACK output. You need to start JACK before timidity, of course. I don't like this setup too much, because Timidity is not reliable enough to work with JACK. I prefer FluidSynth, using QSynth as GUI: http://qsynth.sourceforge.net Regards, Pedro |
From: Jim C. <ml...@bu...> - 2006-12-27 22:42:00
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On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 19:46:52 +0100 Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas <ped...@gm...> wrote: > On Wednesday, 27 December 2006 17:01, jott27 wrote: > > Rosegarden is anything but simple. > > Thou spoke the truth, man. > > ... > > To use Timidity with Rosegarden, you should use its ALSA sequencer > interface for MIDI input, and JACK output. You need to start JACK > before timidity, of course. I don't like this setup too much, because > Timidity is not reliable enough to work with JACK. I prefer > FluidSynth, using QSynth as GUI: http://qsynth.sourceforge.net I use fluidsynth and find that it generally works quite well with Rosegarden. (Fedora Core 4, with real-time-LSM-patched 2.6.11 kernel) -- |
From: jott27 <wil...@co...> - 2006-12-27 22:58:37
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Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas wrote: > > > But there are some available resources to learn the basic concepts. > Starting > with the tutorial (Help -> Rosegarden Tutorial) and the Handbook (Help -> > Rosegarden Handbook). > > Here is the tutorial online: > http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/en/chapter-0.html > I read all the tutorials but am still at a loss. > qjackctl is a interactive GUI to manage JACK. You should start it from the > command line, or from a menu item. Then, use its "Setup..." button to set > some parameters, and then press the "Start" button to launch the JACK > daemon. > I thought that I made it clear that qjackctl was setup and is running properly. > Timidity is a soft synth. A syhtesizer converts MIDI input data into > digital > audio. Timidity can take MIDI input from a .mid file, or from ALSA > sequencer > input ports. The output can go to a .wav file, or the soundcard, using one > of > the available OSS, ALSA or JACK layers. The command line options are (from > man timidity): > > To use Timidity with Rosegarden, you should use its ALSA sequencer > interface > for MIDI input, and JACK output. You need to start JACK before timidity, > of > course. I don't like this setup too much, because Timidity is not reliable > enough to work with JACK. I prefer FluidSynth, using QSynth as GUI: > http://qsynth.sourceforge.net > I know that TiMidity is a soft synth. It is for this reason that I started my inquiry, because I have a SBLive! card that has a builtin hard synthesizer and should not have to use TiMidity to do its job. I used rosegarden before without the use of TiMidity, , but have forgotten what I had to do to make it work. Obviously I seem to miss something. Question is WHAT ? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Rosegarden-Sound-Server-tf2886563.html#a8068619 Sent from the Rosegarden - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: Pedro Lopez-C. <ped...@gm...> - 2006-12-28 00:27:29
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On Wednesday, 27 December 2006 23:58, jott27 wrote: > Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas wrote: > > Here is the tutorial online: > > http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/en/chapter-0.html > > I read all the tutorials but am still at a loss. [...] > I know that TiMidity is a soft synth. It is for this reason that I started > my inquiry, > because I have a SBLive! card that has a builtin hard synthesizer and > should not > have to use TiMidity to do its job. > I used rosegarden before without the use of TiMidity, , but have forgotten > what I > had to do to make it work. > Obviously I seem to miss something. Question is WHAT ? The tutorial has a very detailed explanation about setting up cards with hw synth support. The SBLive is used as a model for these cards, with detailed explanations about the ALSA modules needed, and the sounfont loading procedure. There is even a figure! Please read it again and if there is some doubt about the matter, ask a concrete question. Regards, Pedro |
From: Guillaume L. <gla...@te...> - 2006-12-29 14:07:10
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On Wednesday 27 December 2006 23:58, jott27 wrote: > Obviously I seem to miss something. Question is =A0WHAT ? Loading a soundfount ? --=20 Guillaume. http://telegraph-road.org |
From: jott27 <wil...@co...> - 2006-12-30 00:27:34
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Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas wrote: > > The tutorial has a very detailed explanation about setting up cards with > hw > synth support. The SBLive is used as a model for these cards, with > detailed > explanations about the ALSA modules needed, and the sounfont loading > procedure. There is even a figure! Please read it again and if there is > some > doubt about the matter, ask a concrete question. > Well, here are specifics: Jack Audio Connection Kit: Jack server state:active Transport state:stopped. Connections:MIDI 128:rosegarden to 16:SBLive! and 17:Emu10k1 WaveTable. Connections:Audio alsa_pcm to rosegarden rosegarden to alsa_pcm Configure Sequencer settings: Status MIDI OK, audio OK Play sample Glazunov.rg : NO SOUND The only section that deals with SBLive directly is 2.1.3.1 Cards with Synth Support under ALSA Nowhere in the tutorial could I find anything related to "Transport status stopped." Section 3.5.3 The Transport, only deals with the Transport window. I can start the transport , but no sound and the Jack Audio Connection Kit still shows the transport status as stopped. I think I can not be more specific as that. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Rosegarden-Sound-Server-tf2886563.html#a8094258 Sent from the Rosegarden - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: jott27 <wil...@co...> - 2006-12-30 00:39:09
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Guillaume Laurent wrote: > > On Wednesday 27 December 2006 23:58, jott27 wrote: >> Obviously I seem to miss something. Question is WHAT ? > .Loading a soundfount ? > > My sequencer setup shows the proper path to my sound file.: /usr/share/midi/PC51f.sf2 -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Rosegarden-Sound-Server-tf2886563.html#a8094325 Sent from the Rosegarden - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: D. M. M. <mic...@ro...> - 2006-12-30 01:43:47
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On Friday 29 December 2006 7:39 pm, jott27 wrote: > My sequencer setup shows the proper path to my sound file.: > /usr/share/midi/PC51f.sf2 The soundfont loader in Rosegarden is probably broken. I think I remember noticing this years ago. Try running asfxload manually. Try turning up the "Music" or "Synth" channel on your mixer too. If all else fails, run QSynth or something. I got rid of my emu10k1 for a reason, and the reason was I could no longer get the hardware synth to work. Other people have had good results since, and I actually got the same card working in someone else's computer since, but I had no luck with it at the time I got rid of it at all. (And I have a Roland Sound Canvas, so don't really *need* it, hence didn't waste a lot of effort trying to figure it out.) Another thing, I don't mention the JACK transport in that part of the book because it's completely irrelevant. Don't worry about it. JACK transport is if you want to sync JACK apps, so you play with Rosegarden and record with Ardour, say, and they both start at the same time. That's way beyond the basic get-sound-working level you are stuck at. Sorry no time for more detail. I'm in the middle of retiling my dining room. -- D. Michael McIntyre |
From: jott27 <wil...@co...> - 2006-12-30 02:33:00
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D. Michael McIntyre-2 wrote: > > > The soundfont loader in Rosegarden is probably broken. I think I remember > noticing this years ago. Try running asfxload manually. Try turning up > the "Music" or "Synth" channel on your mixer too. > > If all else fails, run QSynth or something. I got rid of my emu10k1 for a > reason, and the reason was I could no longer get the hardware synth to > work. > Other people have had good results since, and I actually got the same card > working in someone else's computer since, but I had no luck with it at the > time I got rid of it at all. (And I have a Roland Sound Canvas, so don't > really *need* it, hence didn't waste a lot of effort trying to figure it > out.) > > Another thing, I don't mention the JACK transport in that part of the book > because it's completely irrelevant. Don't worry about it. JACK transport > is > if you want to sync JACK apps, so you play with Rosegarden and record with > Ardour, say, and they both start at the same time. That's way beyond the > basic get-sound-working level you are stuck at. > > Sorry no time for more detail. I'm in the middle of retiling my dining > room. > Thanks for your note. I keep asking questions and get the answer that I first should read your book. I begun to think that I should first take a reading course to be able to digest what you wrote. After all, I read your book several times already!! Will follow your advice and see where it gets me. I indicated in previous posts that I had no difficulty in getting sound to play when I started up TiMidity before starting rosegarden. I just think that this should not be necessary because SBLive! has a HW synth and should not needing a software synth to help it along. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Rosegarden-Sound-Server-tf2886563.html#a8095035 Sent from the Rosegarden - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: Guillaume L. <gla...@te...> - 2006-12-30 10:00:10
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On Saturday 30 December 2006 01:39, jott27 wrote: > > My sequencer setup shows the proper path to my sound file.: > /usr/share/midi/PC51f.sf2 Does this soundfont works correctly when using another midi player ? For the record, I also ditched my SB Live months ago for the same reason : after upgrading my system, it just wouldn't work anymore. May be an alsa bug or something, but I was so pissed of by the whole thing that I just didn't bother. -- Guillaume. http://telegraph-road.org |
From: Pedro Lopez-C. <ped...@gm...> - 2006-12-30 10:30:31
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On Saturday, 30 December 2006 01:27, jott27 wrote: > Jack Audio Connection Kit: > Jack server state:active > Transport state:stopped. > Connections:MIDI > 128:rosegarden to 16:SBLive! and 17:Emu10k1 WaveTable. > Connections:Audio > alsa_pcm to rosegarden > rosegarden to alsa_pcm > Configure Sequencer settings: > Status MIDI OK, audio OK > Play sample Glazunov.rg : NO SOUND If you are only trying to play MIDI thru the SBLive internal synthesizer, you don't need to start JACK first. JACK is needed for DSSI soft synths (for example XSynth-DSSI), digital audio tracks, and for interoperation with other JACK applications. Also, if you only want to play MIDI thru the WaveTable synthesizer, the connection between 128:rosegarden and 16:SBLive is not needed. This sequencer port is the external MIDI port of your card, used to connect the computer with an external musical instrument (as a synthesizer or expander) using a MIDI cable. It should not be a problem to have those extra resources available, but you need to know how to route the MIDI tracks to the right instruments. This is explained in the tutorial, chapter 5.2 (Routing a Track to a Device and Instrument). The chapter 4 (Studio) is also relevant. My advice is to ensure first that the basic infrastructure is working properly. I mean: the SBLive! internal synth accepts a Sound Font, and ALSA plays MIDI thru this device. To do this, close Rosegarden and open a terminal window... $ asfxload -v /usr/share/midi/PC51f.sf2 (the -v option tells asfxload to be verbose) Does the above command throw some errors? If not, try to play a midi file: $ aplaymidi -p 17:0 file.mid (the option -p 17:0 routes the MIDI stream to the wavetable synth of the SBLive card.) Use "aplaymidi -l" to show the available port numbers. Don't use the port 16:0 unless you have an external MIDI instrument hooked to the computer using a MIDI cable. The program "aplaymidi" belongs to the alsa-utils package, distributed by the ALSA project. > The only section that deals with SBLive directly is > 2.1.3.1 Cards with Synth Support under ALSA > Nowhere in the tutorial could I find anything related to > "Transport status stopped." > Section 3.5.3 The Transport, only deals with the Transport window. > I can start the transport , but no sound and the Jack Audio Connection Kit > still shows the transport status as stopped. The JACK transport can be used for synchronization between two JACK applications. As Michael said, it is not required for basic playing using only Rosegarden. Regards, Pedro |
From: Jim C. <ml...@bu...> - 2006-12-30 15:33:21
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On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 11:00:49 +0100 Guillaume Laurent <gla...@te...> wrote: > On Saturday 30 December 2006 01:39, jott27 wrote: > > > > My sequencer setup shows the proper path to my sound file.: > > /usr/share/midi/PC51f.sf2 > > Does this soundfont works correctly when using another midi player ? > > For the record, I also ditched my SB Live months ago for the same > reason : after upgrading my system, it just wouldn't work anymore. > May be an alsa bug or something, but I was so pissed of by the whole > thing that I just didn't bother. > Guillaume, do you currently use a sound card for MIDI output, and, if so, which one are you using? I ask because I intend to get a sound card for MIDI output from Rosegarden (I'm currently using fluidsynth.), as well as to accept MIDI input from my music keyboard, and would like to end up with a card that works well with Rosegarden. I guess this is a request for advice on good sound cards that work well with Rosegarden and MIDI. (I know I should search the list for previous posts about this - I plan to do that, later; am moving on Monday.) Hopefully the responses will be useful to others, too - e.g., things might have changed since the last discussion about sound cards. Thanks. Jim -- |
From: D. M. M. <mic...@ro...> - 2006-12-30 16:17:21
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On Saturday 30 December 2006 10:33 am, Jim Cochrane wrote: > Guillaume, do you currently use a sound card for MIDI output, and, if > so, which one are you using? I ask because I intend to get a sound > card for MIDI output from Rosegarden (I'm currently using fluidsynth.), > as well as to accept MIDI input from my music keyboard, and would like > to end up with a card that works well with Rosegarden. I don't think anything still exists that fits this bill, Jim. The old emu10k1 (and a few other emuX like the old AWE32 and a few, but not all of the Audigy series) used to be the only cards with a supported hardware synth, and since Guillaume just reported he had a similar experience to mine, I think that's a lost cause. There is no good answer to this question anymore for Linux or Windows either one. Software synths are just a fact of life. Last time I went looking for something to recommend, even Roland/Edirol was selling their Sound Canvas engine as a Windows software product, rather than hardware. If you want MIDI in hardware, I don't think you can get there anymore without buying a dedicated external box, and the pickings there are a lot slimmer than they used to be. I no longer remember what my findings were. There are still a few synth modules on the market. Roland Fantom-XR, JV-something or other, and I think there was still a Studio Canvas that was a scaled down little box that probably doesn't sound as good as my old SC-33. Chris has some odd little box from Kurtzweil that's in no way General MIDI compatible. I think there's a Korg box too. All of them cost from hundreds into lots of hundreds, I'm afraid. Even back in the days when ordinary people really cared about MIDI (providing music for computer games in the age before CD-ROMs mostly) there were precious few cards that actually had this capability. Those are mostly the ones that still worked with Linux until the last year or two, but they're all completely obsolete now. (There was at least one other one I haven't even seen since switching to Linux. The Logitech Soundman Wave actually had an MPU-401 on board, and you could point games at it like it was a real external Sound Canvas, without any special drivers back in the DOS days of huge TSRs to get these features working. It was an ISA card, and didn't sound very good. I may be the only one left on the planet who remembers that thing.) So anyway, bottom line is that for all practical purposes, you're probably stuck with FluidSynth like millions of other people. (Millions of people who use an even worse sounding invisible software synth under Windows.) -- D. Michael McIntyre |
From: Pedro Lopez-C. <ped...@gm...> - 2006-12-30 17:40:36
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On Saturday, 30 December 2006 17:16, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > ... I think there was still a > Studio Canvas that was a scaled down little box that probably doesn't sound > as good as my old SC-33. I bet you that this one sounds much better than your SC-33 or my SC-88: http://www.roland.com/products/en/SD-90/index.html Regards, Pedro |
From: jott27 <wil...@co...> - 2006-12-30 15:30:14
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Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas wrote: > > > If you are only trying to play MIDI thru the SBLive internal synthesizer, > you > don't need to start JACK first. JACK is needed for DSSI soft synths (for > example XSynth-DSSI), digital audio tracks, and for interoperation with > other > JACK applications. > > Also, if you only want to play MIDI thru the WaveTable synthesizer, the > connection between 128:rosegarden and 16:SBLive is not needed. This > sequencer > port is the external MIDI port of your card, used to connect the computer > with an external musical instrument (as a synthesizer or expander) using a > MIDI cable. > > It should not be a problem to have those extra resources available, but > you > need to know how to route the MIDI tracks to the right instruments. This > is > explained in the tutorial, chapter 5.2 (Routing a Track to a Device and > Instrument). The chapter 4 (Studio) is also relevant. > > My advice is to ensure first that the basic infrastructure is working > properly. I mean: the SBLive! internal synth accepts a Sound Font, and > ALSA > plays MIDI thru this device. To do this, close Rosegarden and open a > terminal > window... > > $ asfxload -v /usr/share/midi/PC51f.sf2 > > (the -v option tells asfxload to be verbose) > Does the above command throw some errors? If not, try to play a midi file: > > $ aplaymidi -p 17:0 file.mid > > (the option -p 17:0 routes the MIDI stream to the wavetable synth of the > SBLive card.) Use "aplaymidi -l" to show the available port numbers. Don't > use the port 16:0 unless you have an external MIDI instrument hooked to > the > computer using a MIDI cable. The program "aplaymidi" belongs to the > alsa-utils package, distributed by the ALSA project. > > The JACK transport can be used for synchronization between two JACK > applications. As Michael said, it is not required for basic playing using > only Rosegarden. > > This reply has a rating of ***** plus one more *. It should be added to the rosegarden bible. Maybe as section 0.0.0 entitled as "Idiots guide to play RG with SBLive!" Just following the few command lines made my RG finally play sound. The fact that I have to issue asfxload in a console before playing RG points out, that there is a flaw in the RG software. It should do this completely on its own, because the sequencer setup has the provision to give the path for loading the sound font. There it gives the option to use either sfxload or asfxload. It does not work with either of them. As far as the RG bible goes, it is a great book, but suffers from the assumption that readers know most of it already. The mix of hard synth and soft synth sprinkled with references to jack, qsynth and what have you, makes it very confusing for a newcomer. Micheal, please don't take this as a negative criticism, but ruther as a wellmeaning suggestion. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Rosegarden-Sound-Server-tf2886563.html#a8098874 Sent from the Rosegarden - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: Guillaume L. <gla...@te...> - 2006-12-30 18:17:27
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On Saturday 30 December 2006 18:40, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas wrote: > On Saturday, 30 December 2006 17:16, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > ... I think there was still a > > Studio Canvas that was a scaled down little box that probably doesn't > > sound as good as my old SC-33. > > I bet you that this one sounds much better than your SC-33 or my SC-88: > > http://www.roland.com/products/en/SD-90/index.html Given the price, I guess it can. Yikes. -- Guillaume. http://telegraph-road.org |
From: D. M. M. <mic...@ro...> - 2006-12-30 23:04:36
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On Saturday 30 December 2006 1:18 pm, Guillaume Laurent wrote: > Given the price, I guess it can. Yikes. Back to the lots of dollars thing. Looks like the only people who still carry it in stock are in the $800 range. Ouch. -- D. Michael McIntyre |
From: Guillaume L. <gla...@te...> - 2006-12-30 18:18:49
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On Saturday 30 December 2006 16:33, Jim Cochrane wrote: > > Guillaume, do you currently use a sound card for MIDI output, No, I use fluidsynth, although I'm looking into purchasing a USB-based sound module. -- Guillaume. http://telegraph-road.org |
From: D. M. M. <mic...@ro...> - 2006-12-30 23:04:37
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On Saturday 30 December 2006 10:30 am, jott27 wrote: > As far as the RG bible goes, it is a great book, but suffers from the > assumption that > readers know most of it already. The mix of hard synth and soft synth > sprinkled with > references to jack, qsynth and what have you, makes it very confusing for a > newcomer. I have nothing to say about any of this without resorting to profanity. Write the next book your damn self is about the most polite thing I can find to say at the moment. -- D. Michael McIntyre |
From: jott27 <wil...@co...> - 2006-12-30 23:44:16
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D. Michael McIntyre-2 wrote: > > I have nothing to say about any of this without resorting to profanity. > Write the next book your damn self is about the most polite thing I can > find > to say at the moment. > My 12year old grandson could come up with a better response to my well meaning comments. Hope the New Year will find you in a better mood. Happy New Year. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Rosegarden-Sound-Server-tf2886563.html#a8102852 Sent from the Rosegarden - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: D. M. M. <mic...@ro...> - 2006-12-31 06:26:31
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On Saturday 30 December 2006 6:44 pm, jott27 wrote: > My 12year old grandson could come up with a better response to my well > meaning comments. > Hope the New Year will find you in a better mood. I'm not in a bad mood, I just can't take yet another person complaining that my best effort is an abysmal failure. It haunts me like you can't possibly imagine. I HATE failure, and this book was a failure. I tried, dammit, I tried. I tried, and failed. I didn't make the world a better place, and I didn't even earn enough money to remotely justify the time spent (works out to $0.32 an hour). The whole misadventure was a tragic waste of good breathing hours, and deeply regretable on so many levels. Such a pointless waste of time, that book. So pointless. -- D. Michael McIntyre |
From: Matt M. <mm...@gm...> - 2006-12-31 07:59:35
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No book has ever pleased everyone. I just ordered a copy on Amazon and have found the on line version quite useful. I certainly hope you don't consider it a waste of time. Also, I think that the RoseGarden community seems like a very helpful one. best, mmm On 12/30/06, D. Michael McIntyre <mic...@ro...> wrote: > On Saturday 30 December 2006 6:44 pm, jott27 wrote: > > > My 12year old grandson could come up with a better response to my well > > meaning comments. > > Hope the New Year will find you in a better mood. > > I'm not in a bad mood, I just can't take yet another person complaining that > my best effort is an abysmal failure. > > It haunts me like you can't possibly imagine. I HATE failure, and this book > was a failure. > > I tried, dammit, I tried. I tried, and failed. I didn't make the world a > better place, and I didn't even earn enough money to remotely justify the > time spent (works out to $0.32 an hour). The whole misadventure was a tragic > waste of good breathing hours, and deeply regretable on so many levels. > > Such a pointless waste of time, that book. So pointless. > > -- > D. Michael McIntyre > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > _______________________________________________ > Rosegarden-user mailing list > Ros...@li... - use the link below to unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user > |
From: Joseph Z. <jos...@gm...> - 2006-12-31 09:03:23
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On 12/30/06, D. Michael McIntyre <mic...@ro...> wrote: > Such a pointless waste of time, that book. So pointless. The book did get me started on Rosegarden. I would have never figured anything about it out otherwise. And there are some tips in there, especially about communicating with other parts of the system, that would have remained utterly obscure without it. You've done a great service in writing the book and in your work on the product, disappointing as responses such as the ones you're experiencing now (and, I admit, some of my own early messages) might seem. Illegitimi Non Carborundum! |
From: Gunhild A. <gun...@gm...> - 2006-12-31 14:32:07
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This book has been INCREDIBLY helpful for me. Before I started using Rosegarden I had been using lots of proprietary sequencers but never really understood much of how MIDI actually works, and I had always depended on my husband's help for every little thing that went wrong. I was used to what I thought was the fact of life that learning to use a new music sequencer is an incredibly frustrating task. So I can't possibly begin to explain just how amazed I was when I sat down with the Free Companion (only non-material support from this user so far I'm afraid) only to discover that I actually understood how to do stuff, and was able to set up Rosegarden with all the sounds I wanted ALL BY MYSELF just from reading that book. It's hard to express how amazed I was. For me, this was the turning point where I went from the general feeling of not really "understanding computers" to the much more pleasant feeling of having a chanse of actually being able to figure things out myself, without having to ask my husband everytime I get stuck. And not just that, I also learned more about what MIDI actually is from reading that book than from having had music technology as a subject both at high school and at the university. Perhaps the one thing I like the most about the book is the incredibly friendly and helpful tone it is written in. It can describe things that seemingly go way above my head, but it does so in a such a patient and encouraging way that I'm inspired to try to understand it anyway. The fact that Rosegarden does not produce sound by itself bummed me out a bit as well to begin with, before I learned what that means and how to deal with it. But I don't think it is fair to criticize the book for explaining JACK and QSynth and what have you when any newcomer would be completely lost without that info. It's no exaggeration to say that you did make the world (at least my world) a better place by writing that book. The fact that not everyone understands Everything just from reading it does not make it a failure. Happy new year's eve, everyone! Gunhild. su den 31.12.2006 klokka 01:25 (-0500) skreiv D. Michael McIntyre: > On Saturday 30 December 2006 6:44 pm, jott27 wrote: > > > My 12year old grandson could come up with a better response to my well > > meaning comments. > > Hope the New Year will find you in a better mood. > > I'm not in a bad mood, I just can't take yet another person complaining that > my best effort is an abysmal failure. > > It haunts me like you can't possibly imagine. I HATE failure, and this book > was a failure. > > I tried, dammit, I tried. I tried, and failed. I didn't make the world a > better place, and I didn't even earn enough money to remotely justify the > time spent (works out to $0.32 an hour). The whole misadventure was a tragic > waste of good breathing hours, and deeply regretable on so many levels. > > Such a pointless waste of time, that book. So pointless. > |