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#708 Notation: Tuplet using existing note durations does not work

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wont-fix
nobody
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2012-10-02
2005-01-26
William
No

The option to make a tuplet from a group of selected
notes without changing the existing durations of the
notes doesn't work. If you select n notes and select
"Timing is already correct; update display only" in the
tuplet dialog, the dialog initially assumes you want
n+1 notes to be played in the time of n notes; if you
correct the values to be n and n-1, respectively, the
operation actually puts only n-1 notes into the
n-tuplet and omits the n-th note from the n-tuplet.
There seems to be no way to convert exactly n notes
into a tuplet which is played in the time of n-1 notes.

Discussion

  • Chris Cannam
    Chris Cannam
    2005-02-01

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    How strange. I know that I've used this function
    quite extensively myself in the past, but you're right,
    it doesn't appear to be working now.

     
  • Chris Cannam
    Chris Cannam
    2005-02-11

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    This function works in certain circumstances, namely if
    the notes you've selected have a duration no longer
    than the intended tuplet duration. e.g. if you record
    three quavers at precisely quaver-triplet durations
    and then run this function on them, it will work (although
    you'll still have to correct an incorrect estimate for the
    tuplet group type in the tuplet dialog first).

    The underlying problem is that the function that actually
    does the work doesn't appear to have access to the
    actual selection any more when it does the group
    operation, so the only way it knows when to stop
    grouping is to use the theoretical duration of the
    resulting group. That works OK for the normal tuplet
    case but not at all well for the "already correct" case.

     
  • William
    William
    2005-02-15

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    Right. I'd think that converting n selected notes into an
    n-tuplet of notes played in the time of (n-1) notes is such
    a basic commonly used operation we shouldn't force the user
    to jump through such difficult hoops to get it right
    first-time. As I recall - though it's been a while since I
    tested it - there were other values of n,m in the tuplet
    dialog which have similar problems.
    Can't we keep the selection around somehow for the benefit
    of slotTupletGroup()? Without that, I don't see how we can
    make the tuplet dialog appear to do a better job for the
    user.

     
    • status: open --> wont-fix
    • milestone: None --> Live With It