Thread: [Rainbowportal-devel] Re: Rainbow analyzing
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From: Mario E. <ma...@so...> - 2004-06-10 09:01:21
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Hi Bill, One thing that was *very* important to me to decide about Rainbow instead of DNN was that Rainbow was born with the internationalization problem in mind while DNN was thought for USA. I agree with all that you says about documentation, support, larger developer team, community and the afforts they made to facilitate developers and designers to make modules, skins, etc. Anyway I think that the Rainbow portal it's very solid and it's a really good solution, that with a little push of all of us involved in one way or another, can make it really great. In addition to that, I have a big hope en the v.next, specially if it can integrate DNN modules and others things, It would be great if both portals and comunities could collaborate. Regards, and sorry for my english. Mario Endara ----- Original Message ----- From: <rai...@li...> To: <rai...@li...> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 5:06 AM Subject: Rainbowportal-devel digest, Vol 1 #372 - 1 msg > Send Rainbowportal-devel mailing list submissions to > rai...@li... > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rainbowportal-devel > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > rai...@li... > > You can reach the person managing the list at > rai...@li... > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Rainbowportal-devel digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Rainbowportal-devel digest, Vol 1 #371 - 1 msg (Bill Ross) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: "Bill Ross" <bc...@mc...> > To: <rai...@li...> > Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 08:27:08 -0500 > Subject: [Rainbowportal-devel] Re: Rainbowportal-devel digest, Vol 1 #371 - 1 msg > > I like to keep in touch with this competing faction/solution, just to see > what is being said about Rainbow. I find it interesting how in-accurate the > view of Rainbow has become... I would be nice to set the record straight. > > The major points I get from posts of this kind are: > > - There is a lot of "disinformation" out there regarding Rainbow. > - DNN has a much larger group of developers contributing and offering > support for its modules > - Like it or not, Rainbow and DNN compete for "new" and undecided developer > or user support resources exploring ASP.NET Web based CMS solutions. > - Because DNN's documentation is better and DNN already has a larger > developer/support community, new people are picking DNN, in spite of > preferring C# and Rainbow (what I believe to be the superior solution by > far). > > I offer this information only because in response to the constant requests > for support and Rainbow documentation, the Rainbow Forums group al to often > answers by pointing out that there is "too much to do....and too few > developers", if the Rainbow Forums group responds at all. > > Open and collaborative efforts depend on the establishment of a relationship > founded in "trust". When exploring Rainbow as a serious "business" > solution compared to DNN, one of the highest selection criteria evaluated is > "Documentation/Developer support". While C# fans, purists and hobbyist > will always be attracted Rainbow, DNN's larger developer community and > better documentation/end-user support will continue to slow our progress > when competing for professional managed IT Business clients(in the US) where > application documentation and developer support our extremely critical. > > Can we discuss how to best address this problem? > > Bill > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ------------------- > A post from the ASP Net Forums 2.0 ... > > http://forums.asp.net/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=449635 > > We get people all the time posting items in the DNN forums inquiring about a > C# version of DotNetNuke. Its unfortunate that people are compelled to be so > shortsighted when it comes to programming language. If you think there is a > language issue when working with DNN then you are definitely missing the > point. DotNetNuke is a portal framework which is highly extensible - you can > build your plug-ins in any .NET CLR language and then package and deploy > them using a common API. This allows C# developers to build value-added > features in the language of their choice. In fact, there are a large number > of C# custom modules for DotNetNuke already. > > In terms of integrating the Forums with DotNetNuke, I believe there is a > huge benefit to the entire .NET community ( ie. we could really compete head > to head with the PHPNuke/PhpBB competition ). There are also benefits in > allowing the Forums to focus on strictly Forums-related implementation > rather than re-inventing/maintaining the authentication, registration, roles > management, site navigation, site framework wheel. I believe that your group > needs to continue developing the Forums specific software and DNN needs to > continue focussing on the base portal architecture. The interesting thing > however is that Rob Howard comes up with so many amazing fundamental site > enhancements which manifest themselves in the Forums code base first - we do > not want to restrict him from implementing these extremely high value > concepts ( many of which are framework rather than Forums related ). > > There are certainly a number of reasons why DNN is much more popular than > Rainbow ( aside from the name - ha! ): > > 4. While Rainbow focussed on adding incremental portal features, DotNetNuke > took a more holistic view of the portal application and were not afraid to > rip out and replace core areas which needed improvement. Rather than > worrying about straying too far from our IBuySpy roots, we realized early on > that a complete overhaul of the portal architecture was in order. DotNetNuke > 2.0 is a ground up rewrite including a new DAL, BLL, and UI layer. > > 3. Rainbow initially took a strict open source purist stance - meaning all > modules built for Rainbow should be free and open source as well. DotNetNuke > leveraged the best of both open source and commercial worlds - encouraging > developers to build value added extensions which they could then sell to the > community. This financial incentive is often what it takes to attract the > higher level software developers rather than the hobbyists. > > 2. DotNetNuke focussed on application extensibility - what good is a portal > application unless you can easily install new modules. One of the first > major enhancements was the ability to build your custom module as a private > assembly, package it as a ZIP, and install it at runtime directly into your > portal environment using the portal's administration UI ( this approach is > far superior to forcing your users to copy the neccessary source code files > in place, add the neccessary items to VS.NET, and recompile the entire > project ). > > 1. Finally, the most important thing which boosted the popularity of > DotNetNuke was Microsoft formal acknowledgement of the project ( including a > link on the www.asp.net site ). This early focus by myself on marketing and > promotion of the project through various high traffic channels certainly > helped promote DNN to a much wider audience. > > It is important to note that DotNetNuke has a Core Team of 30 developers - > all of whom invest their valuable time on a pro-bono, volunteer basis for > the benefit of the community ( ie. like yourselves, we are autonomous and > are not a development branch of Microsoft ). We definitely appreciate all > that Microsoft has done to encourage growth in our community - and in return > we provide them with a number of key benefits, both tangible ad intangible. > > I think you guys have done a fabulous job on the ASP.NET Forums V2 - hats > off to the entire team. Hopefully our communities have the opportunity to > collaborate in the future. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <rai...@li...> > To: <rai...@li...> > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 10:05 PM > Subject: Rainbowportal-devel digest, Vol 1 #371 - 1 msg > > > > Send Rainbowportal-devel mailing list submissions to > > rai...@li... > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rainbowportal-devel > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > rai...@li... > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > rai...@li... > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Rainbowportal-devel digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. RE: Code refresh (manu) > > > > -- __--__-- > > > > Message: 1 > > From: "manu" <ma...@du...> > > To: "'Christoph Schramm'" <sc...@co...>, > > <rai...@li...> > > Subject: RE: [Rainbowportal-devel] Code refresh > > Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:23:59 +0200 > > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C44C8A.51886E70 > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="us-ascii" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > I have wrote a breaf guideline for submitting changes that target the > core: > > > > http://wiki.rainbowportal.net/ow.asp?Sending+contributes+Best+practices > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: rai...@li... > > [mailto:rai...@li...] On Behalf Of > > Christoph Schramm > > Sent: sabato 5 giugno 2004 17.33 > > To: rai...@li... > > Subject: RE: [Rainbowportal-devel] Code refresh > > > > > > > > We at COMMONdigital did some core-code-changes... including: > > > > > > > > - The possibility to have modules to be shown alone at the page > > (eg. if an image is clicked at image gallery). And it stays in same tab > now. > > > > - ImageMenu, of course > > > > > > > > And some minor things... > > > > > > > > What to do now? > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: rai...@li... > > [mailto:rai...@li...] On Behalf Of John > M > > Sent: Samstag, 5. Juni 2004 14:58 > > To: mgr...@gt...; rai...@li... > > Subject: RE: [Rainbowportal-devel] Code refresh > > > > > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > We are working hard on killing off all the bugs and we are planning on > doing > > monthly releases (Starting with the start of July). You can always access > > cvs but since so many things are changing it is not as stable as RC3 from > > time to time. > > > > Stay tuned. > > > > John > > > > >From: "Mark A. Gregory" <mgr...@gt...> > > > > >To: <rai...@li...> > > > > >Subject: [Rainbowportal-devel] Code refresh > > > > >Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:54:28 +1000 > > > > > > > > > >What is the best way to get the latest build? > > > > > > > > > >I see on sourceforge the RC3 build. > > > > > > > > > >Is there going to be a new build soon? > > > > > > > > > >As the bugs are being killed off, it would be good to see a new build > > > > >each month until the major bugs are gone. > > > > > > > > > >Cheers > > > > >Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >This SF.Net email is sponsored by the new InstallShield X. > > > > >From Windows to Linux, servers to mobile, InstallShield X is the one > > > > >installation-authoring solution that does it all. 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From: Christoph S. <sc...@co...> - 2004-06-10 13:32:41
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Hi everyone, As I stated sometimes we're a company which will use Rainbow for some big commercial projects (if we can get them). One problem for us was the starting point, something like a documentation where we can find the bug tracker, some forums which are frequently visited and so one... Regards Chris -----Original Message----- From: rai...@li... [mailto:rai...@li...] On Behalf Of Mario Endara Sent: Donnerstag, 10. Juni 2004 11:01 To: rai...@li... Subject: [Rainbowportal-devel] Re: Rainbow analyzing Hi Bill, One thing that was *very* important to me to decide about Rainbow instead of DNN was that Rainbow was born with the internationalization problem in mind while DNN was thought for USA. I agree with all that you says about documentation, support, larger developer team, community and the afforts they made to facilitate developers and designers to make modules, skins, etc. Anyway I think that the Rainbow portal it's very solid and it's a really good solution, that with a little push of all of us involved in one way or another, can make it really great. In addition to that, I have a big hope en the v.next, specially if it can integrate DNN modules and others things, It would be great if both portals and comunities could collaborate. Regards, and sorry for my english. Mario Endara ----- Original Message ----- From: <rai...@li...> To: <rai...@li...> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 5:06 AM Subject: Rainbowportal-devel digest, Vol 1 #372 - 1 msg > Send Rainbowportal-devel mailing list submissions to > rai...@li... > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rainbowportal-devel > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > rai...@li... > > You can reach the person managing the list at > rai...@li... > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Rainbowportal-devel digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Rainbowportal-devel digest, Vol 1 #371 - 1 msg (Bill Ross) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: "Bill Ross" <bc...@mc...> > To: <rai...@li...> > Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 08:27:08 -0500 > Subject: [Rainbowportal-devel] Re: Rainbowportal-devel digest, Vol 1 #371 - 1 msg > > I like to keep in touch with this competing faction/solution, just to see > what is being said about Rainbow. I find it interesting how in-accurate the > view of Rainbow has become... I would be nice to set the record straight. > > The major points I get from posts of this kind are: > > - There is a lot of "disinformation" out there regarding Rainbow. > - DNN has a much larger group of developers contributing and offering > support for its modules > - Like it or not, Rainbow and DNN compete for "new" and undecided developer > or user support resources exploring ASP.NET Web based CMS solutions. > - Because DNN's documentation is better and DNN already has a larger > developer/support community, new people are picking DNN, in spite of > preferring C# and Rainbow (what I believe to be the superior solution by > far). > > I offer this information only because in response to the constant requests > for support and Rainbow documentation, the Rainbow Forums group al to often > answers by pointing out that there is "too much to do....and too few > developers", if the Rainbow Forums group responds at all. > > Open and collaborative efforts depend on the establishment of a relationship > founded in "trust". When exploring Rainbow as a serious "business" > solution compared to DNN, one of the highest selection criteria evaluated is > "Documentation/Developer support". While C# fans, purists and hobbyist > will always be attracted Rainbow, DNN's larger developer community and > better documentation/end-user support will continue to slow our progress > when competing for professional managed IT Business clients(in the US) where > application documentation and developer support our extremely critical. > > Can we discuss how to best address this problem? > > Bill > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ------------------- > A post from the ASP Net Forums 2.0 ... > > http://forums.asp.net/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=449635 > > We get people all the time posting items in the DNN forums inquiring about a > C# version of DotNetNuke. Its unfortunate that people are compelled to be so > shortsighted when it comes to programming language. If you think there is a > language issue when working with DNN then you are definitely missing the > point. DotNetNuke is a portal framework which is highly extensible - you can > build your plug-ins in any .NET CLR language and then package and deploy > them using a common API. This allows C# developers to build value-added > features in the language of their choice. In fact, there are a large number > of C# custom modules for DotNetNuke already. > > In terms of integrating the Forums with DotNetNuke, I believe there is a > huge benefit to the entire .NET community ( ie. we could really compete head > to head with the PHPNuke/PhpBB competition ). There are also benefits in > allowing the Forums to focus on strictly Forums-related implementation > rather than re-inventing/maintaining the authentication, registration, roles > management, site navigation, site framework wheel. I believe that your group > needs to continue developing the Forums specific software and DNN needs to > continue focussing on the base portal architecture. The interesting thing > however is that Rob Howard comes up with so many amazing fundamental site > enhancements which manifest themselves in the Forums code base first - we do > not want to restrict him from implementing these extremely high value > concepts ( many of which are framework rather than Forums related ). > > There are certainly a number of reasons why DNN is much more popular than > Rainbow ( aside from the name - ha! ): > > 4. While Rainbow focussed on adding incremental portal features, DotNetNuke > took a more holistic view of the portal application and were not afraid to > rip out and replace core areas which needed improvement. Rather than > worrying about straying too far from our IBuySpy roots, we realized early on > that a complete overhaul of the portal architecture was in order. DotNetNuke > 2.0 is a ground up rewrite including a new DAL, BLL, and UI layer. > > 3. Rainbow initially took a strict open source purist stance - meaning all > modules built for Rainbow should be free and open source as well. DotNetNuke > leveraged the best of both open source and commercial worlds - encouraging > developers to build value added extensions which they could then sell to the > community. This financial incentive is often what it takes to attract the > higher level software developers rather than the hobbyists. > > 2. DotNetNuke focussed on application extensibility - what good is a portal > application unless you can easily install new modules. One of the first > major enhancements was the ability to build your custom module as a private > assembly, package it as a ZIP, and install it at runtime directly into your > portal environment using the portal's administration UI ( this approach is > far superior to forcing your users to copy the neccessary source code files > in place, add the neccessary items to VS.NET, and recompile the entire > project ). > > 1. Finally, the most important thing which boosted the popularity of > DotNetNuke was Microsoft formal acknowledgement of the project ( including a > link on the www.asp.net site ). This early focus by myself on marketing and > promotion of the project through various high traffic channels certainly > helped promote DNN to a much wider audience. > > It is important to note that DotNetNuke has a Core Team of 30 developers - > all of whom invest their valuable time on a pro-bono, volunteer basis for > the benefit of the community ( ie. like yourselves, we are autonomous and > are not a development branch of Microsoft ). We definitely appreciate all > that Microsoft has done to encourage growth in our community - and in return > we provide them with a number of key benefits, both tangible ad intangible. > > I think you guys have done a fabulous job on the ASP.NET Forums V2 - hats > off to the entire team. Hopefully our communities have the opportunity to > collaborate in the future. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <rai...@li...> > To: <rai...@li...> > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 10:05 PM > Subject: Rainbowportal-devel digest, Vol 1 #371 - 1 msg > > > > Send Rainbowportal-devel mailing list submissions to > > rai...@li... > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rainbowportal-devel > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > rai...@li... > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > rai...@li... > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Rainbowportal-devel digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. RE: Code refresh (manu) > > > > -- __--__-- > > > > Message: 1 > > From: "manu" <ma...@du...> > > To: "'Christoph Schramm'" <sc...@co...>, > > <rai...@li...> > > Subject: RE: [Rainbowportal-devel] Code refresh > > Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:23:59 +0200 > > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C44C8A.51886E70 > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="us-ascii" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > I have wrote a breaf guideline for submitting changes that target the > core: > > > > http://wiki.rainbowportal.net/ow.asp?Sending+contributes+Best+practices > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: rai...@li... > > [mailto:rai...@li...] On Behalf Of > > Christoph Schramm > > Sent: sabato 5 giugno 2004 17.33 > > To: rai...@li... > > Subject: RE: [Rainbowportal-devel] Code refresh > > > > > > > > We at COMMONdigital did some core-code-changes... including: > > > > > > > > - The possibility to have modules to be shown alone at the page > > (eg. if an image is clicked at image gallery). And it stays in same tab > now. > > > > - ImageMenu, of course > > > > > > > > And some minor things... > > > > > > > > What to do now? > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: rai...@li... > > [mailto:rai...@li...] On Behalf Of John > M > > Sent: Samstag, 5. Juni 2004 14:58 > > To: mgr...@gt...; rai...@li... > > Subject: RE: [Rainbowportal-devel] Code refresh > > > > > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > We are working hard on killing off all the bugs and we are planning on > doing > > monthly releases (Starting with the start of July). You can always access > > cvs but since so many things are changing it is not as stable as RC3 from > > time to time. > > > > Stay tuned. > > > > John > > > > >From: "Mark A. Gregory" <mgr...@gt...> > > > > >To: <rai...@li...> > > > > >Subject: [Rainbowportal-devel] Code refresh > > > > >Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:54:28 +1000 > > > > > > > > > >What is the best way to get the latest build? > > > > > > > > > >I see on sourceforge the RC3 build. > > > > > > > > > >Is there going to be a new build soon? > > > > > > > > > >As the bugs are being killed off, it would be good to see a new build > > > > >each month until the major bugs are gone. > > > > > > > > > >Cheers > > > > >Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >This SF.Net email is sponsored by the new InstallShield X. > > > > >From Windows to Linux, servers to mobile, InstallShield X is the one > > > > >installation-authoring solution that does it all. 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God news for all... This will definately change... Rainbow has aquired 2 commercial software (open source licence for = rainbow project) that will be the central container for all rainbow-related documentation. There are already volounteers the are collecting sparse documentation = and are organizing this public space. As soon as we are ready we will publish the links... In the next few weeks we may need some volounteer for reviewing and collecting documentation... Anybody out here? Manu -----Original Message----- From: rai...@li... [mailto:rai...@li...] On Behalf Of Christoph Schramm Sent: gioved=EC 10 giugno 2004 15.33 To: rai...@li... Subject: RE: [Rainbowportal-devel] Re: Rainbow analyzing Hi everyone, As I stated sometimes we're a company which will use Rainbow for some = big commercial projects (if we can get them). One problem for us was the starting point, something like a documentation where we can find the bug tracker, some forums which are frequently visited and so one... Regards Chris -----Original Message----- From: rai...@li... [mailto:rai...@li...] On Behalf Of = Mario Endara Sent: Donnerstag, 10. Juni 2004 11:01 To: rai...@li... Subject: [Rainbowportal-devel] Re: Rainbow analyzing Hi Bill, One thing that was *very* important to me to decide about Rainbow = instead of DNN was that Rainbow was born with the internationalization problem in = mind while DNN was thought for USA. I agree with all that you says about documentation, support, larger developer team, community and the afforts they made to facilitate = developers and designers to make modules, skins, etc. Anyway I think that the Rainbow portal it's very solid and it's a really good solution, that with a little push of all of us involved in one way = or another, can make it really great. In addition to that, I have a big = hope en the v.next, specially if it can integrate DNN modules and others things, = It would be great if both portals and comunities could collaborate. Regards, and sorry for my english. Mario Endara ----- Original Message ----- From: <rai...@li...> To: <rai...@li...> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 5:06 AM Subject: Rainbowportal-devel digest, Vol 1 #372 - 1 msg > Send Rainbowportal-devel mailing list submissions to > rai...@li... > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rainbowportal-devel > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > rai...@li... > > You can reach the person managing the list at > rai...@li... > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Rainbowportal-devel digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Rainbowportal-devel digest, Vol 1 #371 - 1 msg (Bill Ross) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: "Bill Ross" <bc...@mc...> > To: <rai...@li...> > Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 08:27:08 -0500 > Subject: [Rainbowportal-devel] Re: Rainbowportal-devel digest, Vol 1 #371 - 1 msg > > I like to keep in touch with this competing faction/solution, just to = see > what is being said about Rainbow. I find it interesting how = in-accurate the > view of Rainbow has become... I would be nice to set the record = straight. > > The major points I get from posts of this kind are: > > - There is a lot of "disinformation" out there regarding Rainbow. > - DNN has a much larger group of developers contributing and offering > support for its modules > - Like it or not, Rainbow and DNN compete for "new" and undecided developer > or user support resources exploring ASP.NET Web based CMS solutions. > - Because DNN's documentation is better and DNN already has a larger > developer/support community, new people are picking DNN, in spite of > preferring C# and Rainbow (what I believe to be the superior solution = by > far). > > I offer this information only because in response to the constant = requests > for support and Rainbow documentation, the Rainbow Forums group al to often > answers by pointing out that there is "too much to do....and too few > developers", if the Rainbow Forums group responds at all. > > Open and collaborative efforts depend on the establishment of a relationship > founded in "trust". When exploring Rainbow as a serious "business" > solution compared to DNN, one of the highest selection criteria = evaluated is > "Documentation/Developer support". While C# fans, purists and = hobbyist > will always be attracted Rainbow, DNN's larger developer community and > better documentation/end-user support will continue to slow our = progress > when competing for professional managed IT Business clients(in the US) where > application documentation and developer support our extremely = critical. > > Can we discuss how to best address this problem? > > Bill > = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - -- > ------------------- > A post from the ASP Net Forums 2.0 ... > > http://forums.asp.net/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=3D449635 > > We get people all the time posting items in the DNN forums inquiring = about a > C# version of DotNetNuke. Its unfortunate that people are compelled to = be so > shortsighted when it comes to programming language. If you think there = is a > language issue when working with DNN then you are definitely missing = the > point. DotNetNuke is a portal framework which is highly extensible - = you can > build your plug-ins in any .NET CLR language and then package and = deploy > them using a common API. This allows C# developers to build = value-added > features in the language of their choice. In fact, there are a large number > of C# custom modules for DotNetNuke already. > > In terms of integrating the Forums with DotNetNuke, I believe there is = a > huge benefit to the entire .NET community ( ie. we could really = compete head > to head with the PHPNuke/PhpBB competition ). There are also benefits = in > allowing the Forums to focus on strictly Forums-related implementation > rather than re-inventing/maintaining the authentication, registration, roles > management, site navigation, site framework wheel. I believe that your group > needs to continue developing the Forums specific software and DNN = needs to > continue focussing on the base portal architecture. The interesting = thing > however is that Rob Howard comes up with so many amazing fundamental = site > enhancements which manifest themselves in the Forums code base first - = we do > not want to restrict him from implementing these extremely high value > concepts ( many of which are framework rather than Forums related ). > > There are certainly a number of reasons why DNN is much more popular = than > Rainbow ( aside from the name - ha! ): > > 4. While Rainbow focussed on adding incremental portal features, DotNetNuke > took a more holistic view of the portal application and were not = afraid to > rip out and replace core areas which needed improvement. Rather than > worrying about straying too far from our IBuySpy roots, we realized = early on > that a complete overhaul of the portal architecture was in order. DotNetNuke > 2.0 is a ground up rewrite including a new DAL, BLL, and UI layer. > > 3. Rainbow initially took a strict open source purist stance - meaning = all > modules built for Rainbow should be free and open source as well. DotNetNuke > leveraged the best of both open source and commercial worlds - = encouraging > developers to build value added extensions which they could then sell = to the > community. This financial incentive is often what it takes to attract = the > higher level software developers rather than the hobbyists. > > 2. DotNetNuke focussed on application extensibility - what good is a portal > application unless you can easily install new modules. One of the = first > major enhancements was the ability to build your custom module as a private > assembly, package it as a ZIP, and install it at runtime directly into your > portal environment using the portal's administration UI ( this = approach is > far superior to forcing your users to copy the neccessary source code files > in place, add the neccessary items to VS.NET, and recompile the entire > project ). > > 1. Finally, the most important thing which boosted the popularity of > DotNetNuke was Microsoft formal acknowledgement of the project ( = including a > link on the www.asp.net site ). This early focus by myself on = marketing and > promotion of the project through various high traffic channels = certainly > helped promote DNN to a much wider audience. > > It is important to note that DotNetNuke has a Core Team of 30 = developers - > all of whom invest their valuable time on a pro-bono, volunteer basis = for > the benefit of the community ( ie. like yourselves, we are autonomous = and > are not a development branch of Microsoft ). We definitely appreciate = all > that Microsoft has done to encourage growth in our community - and in return > we provide them with a number of key benefits, both tangible ad intangible. > > I think you guys have done a fabulous job on the ASP.NET Forums V2 - = hats > off to the entire team. Hopefully our communities have the opportunity = to > collaborate in the future. > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: <rai...@li...> > To: <rai...@li...> > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 10:05 PM > Subject: Rainbowportal-devel digest, Vol 1 #371 - 1 msg > > > > Send Rainbowportal-devel mailing list submissions to > > rai...@li... > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rainbowportal-devel > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > rai...@li... > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > rai...@li... > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Rainbowportal-devel digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. RE: Code refresh (manu) > > > > -- __--__--=20 > > > > Message: 1 > > From: "manu" <ma...@du...> > > To: "'Christoph Schramm'" <sc...@co...>, > > <rai...@li...> > > Subject: RE: [Rainbowportal-devel] Code refresh > > Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:23:59 +0200 > > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > > ------=3D_NextPart_000_0054_01C44C8A.51886E70 > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset=3D"us-ascii" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > I have wrote a breaf guideline for submitting changes that target = the > core: > > > > = http://wiki.rainbowportal.net/ow.asp?Sending+contributes+Best+practices > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: rai...@li... > > [mailto:rai...@li...] On Behalf = Of > > Christoph Schramm > > Sent: sabato 5 giugno 2004 17.33 > > To: rai...@li... > > Subject: RE: [Rainbowportal-devel] Code refresh > > > > > > > > We at COMMONdigital did some core-code-changes... including: > > > > > > > > - The possibility to have modules to be shown alone at the = page > > (eg. if an image is clicked at image gallery). And it stays in same = tab > now. > > > > - ImageMenu, of course > > > > > > > > And some minor things... > > > > > > > > What to do now? > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: rai...@li... > > [mailto:rai...@li...] On Behalf = Of John > M > > Sent: Samstag, 5. Juni 2004 14:58 > > To: mgr...@gt...; rai...@li... > > Subject: RE: [Rainbowportal-devel] Code refresh > > > > > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > We are working hard on killing off all the bugs and we are planning = on > doing > > monthly releases (Starting with the start of July). You can always access > > cvs but since so many things are changing it is not as stable as RC3 from > > time to time. > > > > Stay tuned. > > > > John > > > > >From: "Mark A. Gregory" <mgr...@gt...> > > > > >To: <rai...@li...> > > > > >Subject: [Rainbowportal-devel] Code refresh > > > > >Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:54:28 +1000 > > > > > > > > > >What is the best way to get the latest build? > > > > > > > > > >I see on sourceforge the RC3 build. > > > > > > > > > >Is there going to be a new build soon? > > > > > > > > > >As the bugs are being killed off, it would be good to see a new = build > > > > >each month until the major bugs are gone. > > > > > > > > > >Cheers > > > > >Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------=20 > > > > >This SF.Net email is sponsored by the new InstallShield X. > > > > >From Windows to Linux, servers to mobile, InstallShield X is the = one > > > > >installation-authoring solution that does it all. 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From: manu <ma...@du...> - 2004-06-11 10:18:57
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Hi all, Just a quick note to inform all that we are defining a strong naming convention for DB scripts and it will published in few days... (we are basically following MS raccomandations) We have set up a Testing installation using Latin1_BIN and we are currently fixing all problems on base scripts that may prevent Rainbow running on a Case sensitive binary order SQL database instances. Plase do not change in any way current script base: you changes will be overwritten. After that we plan to do all changes on C# code files. Any volounteer for beta testing Case sensitive installations? Question: Rb prefix should be RB_ using PascalCase convention... Any problem if we change prefix from rb_ to RB_ ?? Thanks Manu |
From: Travis O. <ol...@ca...> - 2004-06-11 11:16:28
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<html><head><meta name=3D"Generator" content=3D"PSI HTML/CSS Generator"/> <style type=3D"text/css"><!-- body{font-family:'Tahoma';font-size:10pt;font-color:'#000000';} LI{display:list-item;margin:0.00in;} p{display:block;margin:0.00in;} body{} --></style> </head><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#F0F0F0" ><p><SPAN style=3D"font-size:10pt;">i have a= local and remote system i could put it up on for a test run.</SPAN></p> <p><SPAN style=3D"font-size:10pt;">if you still need.</SPAN></p> <p> </p> <p><SPAN style=3D"font-size:10pt;">Travis Olsen.<br /><br />On Fri, 11 Jun= 2004 12:18:32 +0200, manu wrote:<br /></SPAN><SPAN= style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:navy;">>=A0Hi all,</SPAN><SPAN= style=3D"font-size:10pt;"><br /></SPAN><SPAN= style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:navy;">>=A0Just a quick note to inform all= that we are defining a strong</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"font-size:10pt;"><br= /></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:navy;">>=A0naming convention= for DB scripts and it will published in few</SPAN><SPAN= style=3D"font-size:10pt;"><br /></SPAN><SPAN= style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:navy;">>=A0days... (we are basically following= MS raccomandations)</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"font-size:10pt;"><br /></SPAN><SPAN= style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:navy;">>=A0We have set up a Testing= installation using Latin1_BIN and we are</SPAN><SPAN= style=3D"font-size:10pt;"><br /></SPAN><SPAN= style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:navy;">>=A0currently fixing all problems on= base scripts that may prevent</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"font-size:10pt;"><br= /></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:navy;">>=A0Rainbow running on a= Case sensitive binary order SQL database</SPAN><SPAN= style=3D"font-size:10pt;"><br /></SPAN><SPAN= style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:navy;">>=A0instances.</SPAN><SPAN= style=3D"font-size:10pt;"><br /></SPAN><SPAN= style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:navy;">>=A0Plase do not change in any way= current script base: you changes</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"font-size:10pt;"><br= /></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:navy;">>=A0will be overwritten.= After that we plan to do all changes on C#</SPAN><SPAN= style=3D"font-size:10pt;"><br /></SPAN><SPAN= style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:navy;">>=A0code files.</SPAN><SPAN= style=3D"font-size:10pt;"><br /></SPAN><SPAN= style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:navy;">>=A0Any volounteer for beta testing= Case sensitive installations?</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"font-size:10pt;"><br= /></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:navy;">></SPAN><SPAN= style=3D"font-size:10pt;"><br /></SPAN><SPAN= style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:navy;">>=A0Question:</SPAN><SPAN= style=3D"font-size:10pt;"><br /></SPAN><SPAN= style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:navy;">>=A0Rb prefix should be RB_ using= PascalCase convention... 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