RE: [Rainbowportal-devel] changes in methods,standards,etc

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Jonathon,

please let me know which Yahoo links you want deleted from this page:
http://www.rainbowportal.net/site/3405/support.aspx

or better yet, since you are an admin, just delete them yourself :)

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From: rai...@li...
[mailto:rai...@li...] On Behalf Of
Jonathan Minond
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:50 PM
To: rai...@li...
Subject: RE: [Rainbowportal-devel] changes in methods,standards,etc

Well, 

Portal Web Sites should be a private list

Portal Modules should be private list

Portal Recruits should be public

Portal Themes should be private, but too few people work on themes, so maybe
it's wise to start it off public to see if we spark interest.

These are not "support" groups.

The only support areas are

Asp.net forum

Rainbowportal.net forums

Yahoo Rainbow Portal Support Group

These are all public

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From: rai...@li...
[mailto:rai...@li...] On Behalf Of Mark
McFarlane
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:31 PM
To: rai...@li...
Subject: RE: [Rainbowportal-devel] changes in methods,standards,etc

Are you recommending private forums to be used by the teams?

I don't think we want too many public forums because we don't have enough
'answerers' browsing

 the forums we have already.

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From: rai...@li...
[mailto:rai...@li...] On Behalf Of
Jonathan Minond
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:13 PM
To: rai...@li...
Subject: RE: [Rainbowportal-devel] changes in methods,standards,etc

Chris you should add 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RainbowRecruits/

to the yahoo group list.

Also RainbowPortal is actual RainbowPortal Support ( The support is an
important aspect of the name )

The best goal is to infatuate recruits with as many people as possible. The
people who actually start doing something then get positioned in their
desired groups. This way we can avoid filling groups with mixed discussions.

For example

Rainbow Support Group is for rainbow support. not discussion rainbow dev or
things that didn't come from a support or request. it should not be place to
have policy discussions and such.

Rainbow Modules - This is to discuss module development, enhancements,
features, etc. Not the place to discuss themes, or support or how to do
something in a module. its how to improve the modules, and make new ones

Rainbow Themes - This is to discuss making themes, contributing themes, how
to make themes a better world so we can squash DNN :-)  everyone here should
realize that DNN's main "up" on RB is that they are supper easy to skin, and
have hundreds of samples out there.. this motivates peope.

Rainbow Portal Websites - I am not 100% sure this needs to be a "public"
link. if you aren't involved in rainbow, you do not have much place sparking
random conversation here. This should be people interested in developing the
rainbow community, building support sites, finding the makers of free and
custom components, themes, etc.finding ways to increase rainbow marketing
power, and public appearance.. these are the backbone discussions that have
nothing to do with RainbowPortal the application. but more RainbowPortal the
community and market.

SF Mailing Lists..

1)       They suck :-) as we have seen in the past couple days with the
message delays and misorder.

2)       There are 5 mailing lists there, localization, documents, graphic,
modules and dev

I am personally on most of them, and unless I haven't realized, most of them
are pretty much dead. Saying there are mailing lists that don't do anything,
does not help our cause one bit. Close the lists, and turn them into a forum
on rainbowportal.net when the Forum module is included in the very near
future. Kill the links to them, kill all advertising to them.

Ok, that's my speech of the evening :-) 

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From: rai...@li...
[mailto:rai...@li...] On Behalf Of Chris
Farrell
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 6:42 PM
To: rai...@li...
Subject: RE: [Rainbowportal-devel] changes in methods,standards,etc

There are several people who have admin to the Rainbowportal.net site.  You
mention yahoo forums, I'm assuming
you mean the yahoo groups.  I added several of these a while ago and added a
few more the other day.  They are
listed under support/documentation.

Chris Farrell

At 12:07 AM 4/13/2005, you wrote:

I sent this comment earlier but none of my comments are making it to the
community mailing list. Trying again.

----- Original Message -----
From: "k w" 
To: rai...@li...
Subject: RE: [Rainbowportal-devel] changes in methods,standards,etc
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:41:28 -0500

Who is in charge of managing Rainbowportal.net? I think we should have
additional people who are responsible for managing this site. We need to
manage timely update of information. We should also use this site to manage
team participation and to let interested developers know how to participate
and who to contact. Let's get organized team! Let's use the forums at
rainbowportal.net. If you think that the YAF modification is ready then
let's use that one instead.  Chris has offered to manage the project so we
have a dedicated project manager who can coordinate things. Well at least
Chris,Graz and Manu can work together on this. If you look at the forum at
rainbowportal.net, we have had many users come and go because they did not
get any help. New users of Rainbow do not know about the Yahoo forums. Let's
support the portal from one central location. This location should be at
rainbowportal.net main web site.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Farrell" 
To: rai...@li... 
Subject: RE: [Rainbowportal-devel] changes in methods,standards,etc 
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:51:35 -0400 

> 
> Exactly!!!! Right now Rainbow has essentially zero leadership when 
> it comes to any type of 
> contribution. 
> 
> 1: I could contribute whatever I want and not tell anyone(I won't, 
> but I could). That 
> leaves a LOT of room for people with less than excellent moral 
> character to wreak havoc. 
> I could intentionally add security flaws and then exploit them, 
> etc. I could contribute bad 
> code not knowing any better, or just be a sloppy developer(we all 
> know they exist). 
> 
> 2: How are standards enforced? Simple answer, they aren't. Take 
> a look at the code. 
> Even if you wanted to follow the standards as many of us do, if you 
> take even a short break 
> you have no real way of knowing which way is the current and preferred
method. 
> 
> 3: QA as you mentioned. Lots of people looking to gain experience 
> and be a part of something, 
> they have ambition and great attitudes, lots of time, just need a 
> bit of coaching to get started. 
> 
> 4: My pet peeve. There is very little if any support for any of 
> the rainbow developers in terms of 
> getting people to contribute. Rainbow in its current form really 
> doesn't function as a team, it is 
> more of a bunch of loners each doing their own thing and throwing 
> the results into the grab bag. 
> A coordinator could help balance workload across contributors and 
> make sure that people 
> contributing have the resources they need to make their projects a 
> success. Ex. Jes with Zen, 
> Bill with redoing the DAL, John M with breaking modules into their 
> own projects, etc. 
> 
> Of course the problem is a lack of communication channels. It 
> cannot be the responsibility of 
> the coordinator to go investigate and try to figure out what has 
> been changed. People need to 
> tell the coordinator what is being changed so that the coordinator 
> can keep docs up to date. 
> 
> I for one would be more than willing to help with coordination on 
> module development and on 
> keeping the site up to date if it were structured decently. 
> 
> Chris Farrell 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 11:16 AM 4/11/2005, you wrote: 
> > Maybe we need a tester team that can QA everybody's stuff? 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: rai...@li... 
> > [mailto:rai...@li...] On Behalf Of 
> > Chris Farrell 
> > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 6:00 AM 
> > To: rai...@li... 
> > Subject: [Rainbowportal-devel] changes in methods,standards,etc 
> > 
> > There has been quite a bit of change recently in Rainbow standards, best

> > 
> > practices, etc etc. 
> > Is anyone keeping track of all these in a document somewhere? 
> > 
> > I haven't been an active developer on Rainbow for a few months. Should 
> > I 
> > want to contribute 
> > something, how am I supposed to know the current standards? 
> > 
> > Additionally, it would be nice if we went back to the old system of 
> > team-leads to ensure quality. 
> > When I first started, all of my module development was channeled through

> > 
> > Jakob or Ender and 
> > they helped me to ensure that my code was compliant and of acceptable 
> > quality. 
> > 
> > Just an idea. I would maybe be interested in being a module team leader 
> > if 
> > we layed out a 
> > workflow method and enforced it. 
> > 
> > Chris Farrell 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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