From: Soisson, S. M. <ste...@me...> - 2006-01-30 15:03:20
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I believe that even the large Phillips (22") that you list is no longer being made and that what is in stock at places is just old inventory (could be wrong though). It is hard to believe, but these monitors just aren't being made anymore. We literally have people in our modeling group hording these displays for a rainy day. I've just given up on stereo and switched to using higher-end LCD displays. Less energy, less heat, and less eye fatigue for me. Steve -----Original Message----- From: own...@dl... [mailto:own...@dl...] On Behalf Of Warren DeLano Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 2:59 PM To: pym...@li... Cc: cc...@dl...; vm...@ks...; pd...@sd...; o-...@o-...; CCL Subscribers Subject: [ccp4bb]: Current Stereo 3D Display Info *** For details on how to be removed from this list visit the *** *** CCP4 home page http://www.ccp4.ac.uk *** Folks, Whether you favor Macintosh, Linux, or Windows for stereo 3D visualization, you're going to need some specific (and increasingly rare) hardware. To help you find it, we've just updated our information page on stereo-3D-capable displays, cards, emitters, and glasses: http://pymol.sf.net/stereo3d.html Remarkably, we can now only find one company selling a brand new CRT monitor suitable for stereo 3D. If you find any others, please do let us know! Cheers, Warren -- Warren L. DeLano, Ph.D. Principal Scientist . DeLano Scientific LLC . 400 Oyster Point Blvd., Suite 213 . South San Francisco, CA 94080 USA . Biz:(650)-872-0942 Tech:(650)-872-0834 . Fax:(650)-872-0273 Cell:(650)-346-1154 . mailto:wa...@de... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck & Co., Inc. (One Merck Drive, Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA 08889), and/or its affiliates (which may be known outside the United States as Merck Frosst, Merck Sharp & Dohme or MSD and in Japan, as Banyu) that may be confidential, proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named on this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete it from your system. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
From: Anastassis P. <a.p...@nk...> - 2006-01-31 11:09:00
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Hi all - While on the subject and after thanking Warren for providing the excellent resource ...: We have some nice 3D monitors and Nvidia cards in Linux PC's we do stereo with. Warren correctly points out that you need: 1280x960 @ 120 Hz requires H-sync of 123 kHz 1344x1008 @ 120 Hz requires H-sync of 130 kHz 1400x1050 @ 120 Hz requires H-sync of 136 kHz (In fact you need your monitor to switch to these refresh rates only when in stereo, but thats a detail) However, I am totally unable to convince the NVidia drivers we have for Linux to operate at the sync rates I want them to and Warren advices! Thus, we have noticeable flicker at stereo mode (in the non-stereo windows only) which is a shame, given our excellent monitors. Is that expected or can be corrected ? Could anyone please advice me how to set the Nvidia Linux drivers to operate at the proper sync rates then ? Tassos PS - Iiyama Vision Master Pro 514 / HM204DT (H-sync: 142 kHz) is still available by some European vendors new and is great, we have two, plus an old trusty EIZO T966 which is also cool. (Warren, I could not find that on your list,its a good machine, does 136 and you might be able to find one still) On Jan 28, 2006, at 20:59, Warren DeLano wrote: > *** For details on how to be removed from this list visit the *** > *** CCP4 home page http://www.ccp4.ac.uk *** > > > Folks, > > Whether you favor Macintosh, Linux, or Windows for stereo 3D > visualization, you're going to need some specific (and increasingly > rare) hardware. > > To help you find it, we've just updated our information page on > stereo-3D-capable displays, cards, emitters, and glasses: > > http://pymol.sf.net/stereo3d.html > > Remarkably, we can now only find one company selling a brand new CRT > monitor suitable for stereo 3D. If you find any others, please do let > us know! > > Cheers, > Warren > > -- > Warren L. DeLano, Ph.D. > Principal Scientist > > . DeLano Scientific LLC > . 400 Oyster Point Blvd., Suite 213 > . South San Francisco, CA 94080 USA > . Biz:(650)-872-0942 Tech:(650)-872-0834 > . Fax:(650)-872-0273 Cell:(650)-346-1154 > . mailto:wa...@de... > > |
From: Stephen G. <ste...@us...> - 2006-01-31 12:39:12
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Hi there, Most modern monitors are very clever and tell the X server their preferred sync rates (which never exceed 85 Hz). You can override this functionality by adding Option "UseEdidFreqs" "0" to the "Device" section of your Xorg (or XFree86) config file. You will also need to specify your own Modeline to control the monitor timings. The program 'gtf', which should come standard in most linux distros, will help you do this. Typing 'gtf' without args will give you a short blurb on how to use the program. Shove the modeline output by gtf into the "Monitor" section of your Xorg config file, set this new modeline as the default timing in the "Screen" section of the config file, and you should be in business. HTH, Stephen P.S. See http://o-info.bioxray.dk/pipermail/o-info/2003-April/006676.html for more details. On 1/31/06, Anastassis Perrakis <a.p...@nk...> wrote: > Hi all - > > While on the subject and after thanking Warren for providing the excellen= t > resource ...: > > We have some nice 3D monitors and Nvidia cards in Linux PC's we do stereo > with. > > Warren correctly points out that you need: > > 1280x960 @ 120 Hz requires H-sync of 123 kHz > 1344x1008 @ 120 Hz requires H-sync of 130 kHz > 1400x1050 @ 120 Hz requires H-sync of 136 kHz > (In fact you need your monitor to switch to these refresh rates only when= in > stereo, but thats a detail) > > However, I am totally unable to convince the NVidia drivers we have for > Linux to > operate at the sync rates I want them to and Warren advices! Thus, we hav= e > noticeable flicker at stereo > mode (in the non-stereo windows only) which is a shame, given our excelle= nt > monitors. > Is that expected or can be corrected ? > > Could anyone please advice me how to set the Nvidia Linux drivers to oper= ate > at the proper sync rates then ? > > Tassos > > PS - Iiyama Vision Master Pro 514 / HM204DT (H-sync: 142 kHz) is still > available by some European vendors new and is great, we have two, plus an > old trusty EIZO T966 which is also cool. (Warren, I could not find that o= n > your list,its a good machine, does 136 and you might be able to find one > still) > > > > > On Jan 28, 2006, at 20:59, Warren DeLano wrote: > > *** For details on how to be removed from this list visit the *** > *** CCP4 home page http://www.ccp4.ac.uk *** > > > Folks, > > Whether you favor Macintosh, Linux, or Windows for stereo 3D > visualization, you're going to need some specific (and increasingly > rare) hardware. > > To help you find it, we've just updated our information page on > stereo-3D-capable displays, cards, emitters, and glasses: > > http://pymol.sf.net/stereo3d.html > > Remarkably, we can now only find one company selling a brand new CRT > monitor suitable for stereo 3D. If you find any others, please do let > us know! > > Cheers, > Warren > > -- > Warren L. DeLano, Ph.D. > Principal Scientist > > . DeLano Scientific LLC > . 400 Oyster Point Blvd., Suite 213 > . South San Francisco, CA 94080 USA > . Biz:(650)-872-0942 Tech:(650)-872-0834 > . Fax:(650)-872-0273 Cell:(650)-346-1154 > . mailto:wa...@de... > > > > -- Stephen Graham Crystallography Group School of Molecular and Microbial Biosciences University of Sydney |
From: Philippe B. <phi...@un...> - 2006-01-31 14:18:14
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Hi Stuart, Well, 20,000 =A3 (ex VAT) for a 20" UXGA is probably not something a lab=20= can afford as easily as a CRT + graphic board... unless you would like=20= to ship some free for advertisement (-; Best regards, Philippe Le 31 janv. 06, =E0 14:25, Stuart McKay a =E9crit : > Anastassis, > =A0 > Interesting to read about the demise of the CRT and your problems with=20= > flickering screens. > =A0 > You (and the other BB members) may be interested to learn of an=20 > alternative technology from IRIS-3D in the UK.=A0Historically=20 > targeted=A0at the=A0Oil and Gas Sector for subsurface imaging,=A0it is = now=20 > being evaluated in the Life Sciences. This product does not suffer=20 > from the flickering issues mentioned in this thread, being based=20 > around dual projection LCD technology and not requiring special=20 > glasses to view: > =A0 > The IRIS=A0solution is a glasses-free 3D display system that enables = you=20 > to work at up to UXGA resolution in stereo mode, is 2D/3D compatible,=20= > can be used in a normal office environment,=A0does not suffer from=20 > stereo cross-talk (this means no more ghosting, eye-strain or=20 > headaches - enabling you=A0to concentrate on your data=A0rather than = be=20 > distracted by the display technology) and is compatible with all=20 > stereo enabled software on a wide range of=A0SW/HW platforms. > =A0 > More information is available from the company website or by=20 > contacting me directly. > =A0 > Regards, > =A0 > Stuart > ........................... > Stuart McKay, PhD > CEO > IRIS-3D Ltd > James Weir Building > 75 Montrose St > Glasgow G1 1XJ > Scotland, UK > =A0 > (T) +44-141-548-2423 > (F) +44-141-552-5105 > (M) +44 7786 073663 > =A0 > http://www.iris3d.com > =A0 > =A0 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Anastassis Perrakis >> To: Warren DeLano >> Cc: pym...@li... ; CCP4 Board ; ono ; Albert = Pauw >> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb]: Current Stereo 3D Display Info >> >> Hi all - >> >> While on the subject and after thanking Warren for providing the=20 >> excellent resource ...: >> >> We have some nice 3D monitors and Nvidia cards in Linux PC's we do=20 >> stereo with. >> >> Warren correctly points out that you need: >> >> =A0 =A01280x960=A0 @ 120 Hz requires H-sync of 123 kHz=A0 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 1344x1008 @ 120 Hz requires H-sync of 130 kHz=A0 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 1400x1050 @ 120 Hz requires H-sync of 136 kHz =A0 >> >> (In fact you need your monitor to switch to these refresh rates only=20= >> when in stereo, but thats a detail) >> >> However, I am totally unable to convince the NVidia drivers we have=20= >> for Linux to >> operate at the sync rates I want them to and Warren advices! Thus, we=20= >> have noticeable flicker at stereo >> mode (in the non-stereo windows only) which is a shame, given our=20 >> excellent monitors. >> Is that expected or can be corrected ? >> >> Could anyone please advice me how to set the Nvidia Linux drivers to=20= >> operate at the proper sync rates then ? >> >> Tassos >> >> PS=A0- Iiyama Vision Master Pro 514 / HM204DT (H-sync: 142 kHz) is=20 >> still available by some European vendors new and is great, we have=20 >> two, plus an old trusty EIZO T966 which is also cool. (Warren, I=20 >> could not find that on your list,its a good machine, does 136 and you=20= >> might be able to find one still) >> >> >> On Jan 28, 2006, at 20:59, Warren DeLano wrote: >> >>> ***=A0 For details on how to be removed from this list visit the=A0 = *** >>> ***=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 CCP4 home page http://www.ccp4.ac.uk =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 *** >>> >>> >>> Folks, >>> >>> Whether you favor Macintosh, Linux, or Windows for stereo 3D >>> visualization, you're going to need some specific (and increasingly >>> rare) hardware. =A0 >>> >>> To help you find it, we've just updated our information page on >>> stereo-3D-capable displays, cards, emitters, and glasses: >>> >>> http://pymol.sf.net/stereo3d.html >>> >>> Remarkably, we can now only find one company selling a brand new CRT >>> monitor suitable for stereo 3D.=A0 If you find any others, please do=20= >>> let >>> us know! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Warren >>> >>> -- >>> Warren L. DeLano, Ph.D.=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 >>> Principal Scientist >>> >>> . DeLano Scientific LLC =A0 >>> . 400 Oyster Point Blvd., Suite 213=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 >>> . South San Francisco, CA 94080 USA=A0 =A0 >>> . Biz:(650)-872-0942=A0 Tech:(650)-872-0834=A0 =A0 =A0 >>> . Fax:(650)-872-0273=A0 Cell:(650)-346-1154 >>> . mailto:wa...@de... =A0 =A0 =A0 >>> >>> |
From: Morten K. <mo...@bi...> - 2006-02-02 21:49:32
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> these displays for a rainy day. I've just given up on stereo and > switched > to using higher-end LCD displays. Less energy, less heat, and less > eye > fatigue for me. Let me quote myself from a posting to o-info from September 1994: > Real men don't Use Stereo A few hours later, Eleanor replied: > Morten - you are getting old! 15 years ago: > Real Men Don't Use Colour. > Eleanor You can add another 10 years to the 15... Boy, I hate to be right! In fact, I am actually considering giving up on colour... ;-) /Morten -- Morten Kjeldgaard, asc. professor, MSc, PhD Department of Molecular Biology, Aarhus University Gustav Wieds Vej 10 C, DK-8000 Aarhus C, Denmark. Lab +45 89425026 * Mobile +45 51860147 * Fax +45 86123178 Home +45 86188180 * http://www.bioxray.dk/~mok |