Re: [Plone-website] Mooball IT

[Dylan J. <dj...@pr...>]

Hi,

We are all doing it hard. Ultimately the best form of marketing is a
product that is more useful to more people so they recommend it to others.
Its not so hard to restructure business to ensure that solving customer
problems is not solved using customer specific code. Instead we
deliberately decided where possible we are changing core plone, adding
features to other plugins or creating new generic plugins even if it means
the cost is twice as much, in an attempt to make plone more useful. Its not
so hard to do.
Asko is attempting to improve the theming story so they come with prebuilt
content more like WordPress themes you get out of theme forest.
Contributing themes and testing to this effort would also help make plone
more competitive with WordPress.
On 9 Apr 2015 07:54, "beams [via Plone]" <
ml-...@n2...> wrote:

> Dylan,
> I spent many years supporting the Zope community in the early days, mostly
> thought help contributions in the lists. I attended sprints. I was a
> contributor to very early Zope 3 and Im on the Zope Foundation. Ive
> released several open source products in the past. And I do all I can to
> promote Plone generally.
>
> Im doing what I can to attend and sent staff to Python and other open
> source conferences and meetings locally. But since I had a child and our
> business changed about 8 years ago Ive struggled to find time and finances
> to be more active. Dylan, I see the great work you do, the products you
> develop and the general promotion of Plone in Australia, and I genuinely
> wish I was in a position to do the same.  I do regret that and Im very
> aware of it.
>
> I am always looking for new clients to convert to Plone and its certainly
> not my intention to 'poach'. Im sorry you feel that way.
>
> To everyone in the community, Im really sorry if Ive upset you. In the
> past few weeks Ive contacted quite a few. Ive found some new contacts in
> the Plone community and chatted and shared experiences and ideas. Ive found
> a quite a few site owners who were doing it alone and are in need of help.
> Ive found a frightening number of sites moving away from Plone. And Ive had
> a just a two angry responses.
>
> Please accept my apologies.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Dylan Jay <[hidden email]
> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7573586&i=0>> wrote:
>
>> Tom,
>> I have never once seen you contribute to the community in the many years
>> you have taken from it. Perhaps now is the time to do so as part of plone
>> marketing. I'm sure the marketing would welcome you and your companies
>> support. Or alternatively sponsoring the foundation so they have money for
>> more marketing as we have done. This is a form of paying for the software
>> you have built your business on.
>> The very least you could do is try to get new clients instead of poach
>> your competitors existing clients. That grows nothing.
>> On 9 Apr 2015 07:03, "Tom Cameron" <[hidden email]
>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7573586&i=1>> wrote:
>>
>>> Phil,
>>>
>>> In closing, I would like you to ask yourself just one question - how
>>>> would the Plone ecosystem look to our clients and users if we all did this?
>>>
>>>
>>> Most likely it would be a bigger, more active and growing eco system
>>> instead of the current frustrating slow death we are experiencing.
>>>
>>> The primary reason I lose new tenders is because I have to spend so much
>>> time educating people about what Plone is before I can even propose a
>>> solution. Most business just compare overall usage of technologies and the
>>> likes of WordPress win hands down - despite being hopelessly inferior
>>> technology.
>>>
>>> And the primary reason I lose current clients is because they move away
>>> from Plone to WordPress - and the reason they cite is the fear that there
>>> is just no support out there for Plone. That it is far too risky to put
>>> their faith in a technology that nobody users.
>>>
>>> If they were to get regular emails from an active community then they
>>> would see that there is support out there and choices and while that may
>>> keep me 'on my toes', I would much prefer some decent competition than to
>>> have clients walk away to an inferior solution purely due to fear that they
>>> are on a sinking ship.
>>>
>>> Many of the people Ive emailed recently have said (paraphrased) "I wish
>>> you had contacted us a few months ago - we could not get the support we
>>> needed so we have moved to WordPress".
>>>
>>> If we all dont vastly increase our promotion of Plone then Im pretty
>>> certain there will be no ecosystem at all in 5 years time.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tom
>>>
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