From: Mark D. <ma...@ki...> - 2006-07-22 18:20:28
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Has anyone looked at JEP-0172: User Nickname? It's a draft now. Using something other than vCards for the nickname is a good thing. I have a partial implementation in my local tree. When you change your nick it sends an empty message containing your nick to people who are subscribed to you. Do we want to implement PubSub (JEP-0060) or PEP (JEP-0163)? Do we want to use the "Alias" field in the account editor to set our nickname? -Mark |
From: Richard L. <rl...@wi...> - 2006-07-23 20:06:22
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On Sat, 2006-07-22 at 13:23 -0500, Mark Doliner wrote: > Has anyone looked at JEP-0172: User Nickname? It's a draft now. Using > something other than vCards for the nickname is a good thing. I have a > partial implementation in my local tree. When you change your nick it se= nds > an empty message containing your nick to people who are subscribed to you= . >=20 > Do we want to implement PubSub (JEP-0060) or PEP (JEP-0163)? Do we want = to > use the "Alias" field in the account editor to set our nickname? I think whatever we do needs to be consistent with MSN. So, if we do that, MSN needs to be changed. On MSN, the nice thing about "alias" now is that it's local-only, so if you do change your server nickname, the display of your name doesn't change locally. Perhaps we need a "server nickname" field in the account editor, and MSN could be updated to use that too? Richard |
From: Kevin M S. <ke...@si...> - 2006-07-24 17:48:44
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Richard Laager wrote: > On Sat, 2006-07-22 at 13:23 -0500, Mark Doliner wrote: >> Has anyone looked at JEP-0172: User Nickname? It's a draft now. Usin= g >> something other than vCards for the nickname is a good thing. I have = a >> partial implementation in my local tree. When you change your nick it= sends >> an empty message containing your nick to people who are subscribed to = you. >> >> Do we want to implement PubSub (JEP-0060) or PEP (JEP-0163)? Do we wa= nt to >> use the "Alias" field in the account editor to set our nickname? >=20 > I think whatever we do needs to be consistent with MSN. So, if we do > that, MSN needs to be changed. On MSN, the nice thing about "alias" now= > is that it's local-only, so if you do change your server nickname, the > display of your name doesn't change locally. >=20 > Perhaps we need a "server nickname" field in the account editor, and MS= N > could be updated to use that too? >=20 <The list appears to have eaten my post, so resending.> I think that's a better solution. I use the alias to represent how I want to see myself, not necessarily how I want to broadcast myself to other people, so having a secondary field for how the remote server identifies me seems better. We could apply this to ICQ as well if someone wants to code that aspect up. Kevin |
From: Ethan B. <ebl...@cs...> - 2006-07-23 20:54:09
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Mark Doliner spake unto us the following wisdom: > Do we want to implement PubSub (JEP-0060) or PEP (JEP-0163)? Do we want = to > use the "Alias" field in the account editor to set our nickname? (Somehow I missed the second part of this the first time around...) I feel pretty strongly that we should _not_ use the alias field in the account editor to set a remote nickname, and that it should remain local. I alias almost all of my frequently-seen buddies to very short names, and alias my own accounts to one character (=1B$B;d=1B(B) whenever possible. These two aliases seem parallel to me, and I think having one public and one private would be confusing; additionally, people most assuredly aren't going to call me either =1B$B;d=1B(B or Me or whateve= r the most common account aliases are. I suspsect most of us don't call ourselves by our given names or nicknames, and as such our account aliases will not be these things. That said, having a remote nickname field doesn't seem at all unreasonable to me. Differentiating the two fields may be a little tricky. Ethan Ethan --=20 The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws [that have no remedy for evils]. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. -- Cesare Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishments", 1764 |
From: Luke S. <lsc...@us...> - 2006-07-24 17:57:53
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On Sat, Jul 22, 2006 at 01:23:26PM -0500, Mark Doliner wrote: > Has anyone looked at JEP-0172: User Nickname? It's a draft now. Using > something other than vCards for the nickname is a good thing. I have a > partial implementation in my local tree. When you change your nick it sends > an empty message containing your nick to people who are subscribed to you. > > Do we want to implement PubSub (JEP-0060) or PEP (JEP-0163)? Do we want to > use the "Alias" field in the account editor to set our nickname? > > -Mark Nearly every account I regularly use has the alias set to "Me" which works just fine, since I'm the only one that sees it. I don't really want to change that. luke |
From: Etan R. <de...@ed...> - 2006-07-24 20:45:46
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2006, Richard Laager wrote: > On Sat, 2006-07-22 at 13:23 -0500, Mark Doliner wrote: >> Has anyone looked at JEP-0172: User Nickname? It's a draft now. Using >> something other than vCards for the nickname is a good thing. I have a >> partial implementation in my local tree. When you change your nick it sends >> an empty message containing your nick to people who are subscribed to you. >> >> Do we want to implement PubSub (JEP-0060) or PEP (JEP-0163)? Do we want to >> use the "Alias" field in the account editor to set our nickname? > > I think whatever we do needs to be consistent with MSN. So, if we do > that, MSN needs to be changed. On MSN, the nice thing about "alias" now > is that it's local-only, so if you do change your server nickname, the > display of your name doesn't change locally. > > Perhaps we need a "server nickname" field in the account editor, and MSN > could be updated to use that too? > > Richard I'm of two minds on this issue, the first is that given the incredibly large number of people who have always assumed that the 'Alias' field in the Modiy Account dialog is the server alias indicates that putting such a field there would make sense, the other is that I think that is a singularly bad place for something like that (it also makes it annoying to change). I happen to think that putting non-account setup stuff into the Modify Account dialog is a poor idea, especially when it is something that can reasonably be changed on-the-fly. Is there a reason we don't just put it as part of 'Set User Info' or add an MSN-like 'Set Friendly Name' (obviously with a better name, since that one is terrible) for this purpose? -Etan |
From: Jonty <jo...@el...> - 2006-07-26 11:41:14
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Along this thread, I've been meaning to suggest: Would anyone have an objection to "Alias" being changed to "Local Alias" for clarity? A large number of people are confused by this. Cheers, Jonty On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 16:45 -0400, Etan Reisner wrote: > On Sun, 23 Jul 2006, Richard Laager wrote: > > > On Sat, 2006-07-22 at 13:23 -0500, Mark Doliner wrote: > >> Has anyone looked at JEP-0172: User Nickname? It's a draft now. Using > >> something other than vCards for the nickname is a good thing. I have a > >> partial implementation in my local tree. When you change your nick it sends > >> an empty message containing your nick to people who are subscribed to you. > >> > >> Do we want to implement PubSub (JEP-0060) or PEP (JEP-0163)? Do we want to > >> use the "Alias" field in the account editor to set our nickname? > > > > I think whatever we do needs to be consistent with MSN. So, if we do > > that, MSN needs to be changed. On MSN, the nice thing about "alias" now > > is that it's local-only, so if you do change your server nickname, the > > display of your name doesn't change locally. > > > > Perhaps we need a "server nickname" field in the account editor, and MSN > > could be updated to use that too? > > > > Richard > > I'm of two minds on this issue, the first is that given the incredibly > large number of people who have always assumed that the 'Alias' field in > the Modiy Account dialog is the server alias indicates that putting such > a field there would make sense, the other is that I think that is a > singularly bad place for something like that (it also makes it annoying > to change). > > I happen to think that putting non-account setup stuff into the > Modify Account dialog is a poor idea, especially when it is something > that can reasonably be changed on-the-fly. > > Is there a reason we don't just put it as part of 'Set User Info' or add > an MSN-like 'Set Friendly Name' (obviously with a better name, since > that one is terrible) for this purpose? > > -Etan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > _______________________________________________ > Gaim-devel mailing list > Gai...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gaim-devel > |
From: Mark D. <ma...@ki...> - 2006-08-03 08:03:10
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Done. Thanks for the suggestion -Mark On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:46:27 +0100, Jonty wrote > Along this thread, I've been meaning to suggest: > Would anyone have an objection to "Alias" being changed to "Local Alias" > for clarity? A large number of people are confused by this. > > Cheers, > Jonty > > On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 16:45 -0400, Etan Reisner wrote: > > On Sun, 23 Jul 2006, Richard Laager wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 2006-07-22 at 13:23 -0500, Mark Doliner wrote: > > >> Has anyone looked at JEP-0172: User Nickname? It's a draft now. Using > > >> something other than vCards for the nickname is a good thing. I have a > > >> partial implementation in my local tree. When you change your nick it sends > > >> an empty message containing your nick to people who are subscribed to you. > > >> > > >> Do we want to implement PubSub (JEP-0060) or PEP (JEP-0163)? Do we want to > > >> use the "Alias" field in the account editor to set our nickname? > > > > > > I think whatever we do needs to be consistent with MSN. So, if we do > > > that, MSN needs to be changed. On MSN, the nice thing about "alias" now > > > is that it's local-only, so if you do change your server nickname, the > > > display of your name doesn't change locally. > > > > > > Perhaps we need a "server nickname" field in the account editor, and MSN > > > could be updated to use that too? > > > > > > Richard > > > > I'm of two minds on this issue, the first is that given the incredibly > > large number of people who have always assumed that the 'Alias' field in > > the Modiy Account dialog is the server alias indicates that putting such > > a field there would make sense, the other is that I think that is a > > singularly bad place for something like that (it also makes it annoying > > to change). > > > > I happen to think that putting non-account setup stuff into the > > Modify Account dialog is a poor idea, especially when it is something > > that can reasonably be changed on-the-fly. > > > > Is there a reason we don't just put it as part of 'Set User Info' or add > > an MSN-like 'Set Friendly Name' (obviously with a better name, since > > that one is terrible) for this purpose? > > > > -Etan |