From: Luke Schierer <lschiere@us...> - 2005-08-26 02:56:32
On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 08:03:48PM -0400, Leif W wrote:
> Oh, for the heck of it, I was mucking about with the Privacy settings,
> as I had not done that in a long while.
> It was on "Allow only the users below", which had a subset of the users
> on my buddy list. I just wanted to sync up the allowed users with the
> ones on my buddy list. I figured the best option was to clear all users
> from the "only users below" list, then change the privacy option to
> "Allow only the users on my buddy list". Well, there are MSN users on
> my buddy list, but either I am blocking them or they are blocking me, I
> have no idea. Gaim just says "Has you: Yes, Blocked: Yes". Who is
> blocking who is unclear. By my Privacy settings, I should not be
> blocking them. Is this a Gaim/MSN/privacy bug, or user error? Is it
> possible that I may have inadvertently ticked off their client and they
> block me now? Or is my config file screwed so bad that it's blocking
> them? The people have mostly been away or idle, and I'm on good terms,
> so it's not like I did anything. ;-) How can I test and get more data
> about what's going on? How can I fix? Or will they have to manually
> reset their clients? Would I have to send email to them?
This is a perfect example of the confusion that the current UI
causes, and why it must be changed.
MSN does not particularly use the drop down settings. Rather, it
*always* uses both the "allow below" and the "deny below" lists.
anyone not on the "allow below" cannot see you, anyone on the "deny
below" is blocked, regardless of what the setting actually says.
Further, for msn accounts, to remove someone from one list
automatically puts them on the other. There is no way to fully
remove someone from both lists.
From: Leif W <warp-9.9@us...> - 2005-08-26 03:26:06
> From: "Luke Schierer" <lschiere@...>
> Sent: 2005 August 25 Thursday 22:53
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 08:03:48PM -0400, Leif W wrote:
>> It was on "Allow only the users below", which had a subset of the
>> on my buddy list. I just wanted to sync up the allowed users with
>> ones on my buddy list. I figured the best option was to clear all
>> from the "only users below" list, then change the privacy option to
>> "Allow only the users on my buddy list". Well, there are MSN users
> Further, for msn accounts, to remove someone from one list
> automatically puts them on the other. There is no way to fully
> remove someone from both lists.
Ah, thanks for that explanation. Sure enough, on the allow list. Can't
believe I missed that. At least it's easy to rememdy, just clear the
block list and it automatically allows them all. Yeah, the UI might be
better off to check which protocol is used, and then what options are
known valid should be listed, and depending on the option, draw an
appropriate dialog. Maybe for MSN (as an example), side by side lists
with the "Add" and "Remove" button below each list. Multi-Select lists.
This way the UI clearly resembles the reality of the functionality. :p
But, maybe people then write and say aaarghhh, I can't get then off,
they keep going back and forth. ;-)