#2683 Invalid Alphabetization when last name is first in GEDCOM

v4.2.1
closed-works-for-me
Greg Roach
None
5
2009-10-02
2009-09-30
dhinckle2
No

If a GEDCOM name tag has "/von Bratt/ David", the individual list will put the person in 'B' and not in 'V'. If the GEDCOM name tag has "David /von Bratt/", the individual list correctly puts the person in 'V'.

Discussion

  • dhinckle2
    dhinckle2
    2009-09-30

    • milestone: --> v4.2.1
     
  • dhinckle2
    dhinckle2
    2009-09-30

    • summary: Invalid Alphabetization when first name is first in GEDCOM --> Invalid Alphabetization when last name is first in GEDCOM
     
  • Greg Roach
    Greg Roach
    2009-09-30

    Please give the actual gedcom records for these (including the level 2 tags SURN and GIVN). The name handling is quite complicated, and without the full information, it is hard to say whether this is even a bug. e.g.

    1 NAME /von Bratt/

    will sort under B. Default behaviour is to assume von is a SPFX and Bratt is the SURN.

    1 NAME /von Bratt/
    2 SURN von Bratt

    will sort under v, because you are explicitly saying that the surname is von Bratt, rather than Bratt.

     
  • Greg Roach
    Greg Roach
    2009-09-30

    • assigned_to: nobody --> fisharebest
    • status: open --> pending
     
  • dhinckle2
    dhinckle2
    2009-10-02

    It appears from the GEDCOM specification a last name can be placed first by using /lastName/ first. Here is an actual record found on www.vonbrattfamily.com:

    0 @I115@ INDI
    1 NAME /von Bratt/ André Gustav
    1 SEX M
    1 BIRT
    2 DATE 5 JUN 1919
    1 DEAT
    2 DATE 22 MAR 1925
    1 FAMC @F41@
    1 CHAN
    2 DATE 5 MAR 2008
    3 TIME 12:46:58

     
  • dhinckle2
    dhinckle2
    2009-10-02

    • status: pending --> open
     
  • Greg Roach
    Greg Roach
    2009-10-02

    I followed the link to your site. Names with an explicit surname record ("2 SURN von BRATT") record are listed under "V". Those without are listed under "B".

    By default, PGV considers "von" to be a surname prefix, and the actual surname to be "Bratt". Thus "von Bratt", "de Bratt", "van der Bratt", etc. all get listed under "B".

    This is working as designed.

    To override this default behaviour, you will need to edit the names of these individuals. PGV will then create the GIVN/SPFX/SURN/etc. fields, and you can make sure that von appears in the SURN, not the SPFX.

     
  • Greg Roach
    Greg Roach
    2009-10-02

    • status: open --> closed-works-for-me