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 Re: [Moin-user] WikiBooks and Quiz Software: General Discussion (moin-user-list: message 1 of 20) From: moin-user-list.GarveyPatrickD@spamgourmet.com - 2011-07-24 19:37:43 You might want to explore what the educators at TeachingOpenSource.org have to say about your effort. Their mailing list is at: http://lists.teachingopensource.org/mailman/listinfo/tos Fedora also has a Special Interest Group on Education that might be worth exploring: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education The DebianEdu project might also have some folks interested in working with you: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 2:40 PM, nholtz@... wrote: > Hello - I'm just looking for general comments, if anyone cares > to give them. (I apologize in advance for the length of this msg). > > I'm planning to start developing a wiki text book for a university > level engineering course I'm teaching.  I've so far only got a page > or two and a rough structure as a proof of concept.  In addition > to the easily added extra value such as images, photos, problem > solving videos (ala Khan Academy), I'ld like other media there > as well, such as interactive self test questions, application > software, perhaps links to things like sagemath worksheets, etc. > > Oh yes: a lot of mathematics is involved. > > = One = > > I suppose I should really start with WikiBooks, particularly as > there is the start of a text on the subject there already.  It does > provide some nice stuff out of the box, such as pdf creation > for an entire text (or subset, I assume).  However, the things > I don't like are: >  - I don't think I can get the software, and I really don't want >    to host this on their server. >  - MediaWiki on which it based can be installed, but I really >    don't want to program in php if I don't have to ...  And I >    do expect some new code will be necessary > > So I guess if I want to extend a wiki system using Python, that > MoinMoin is the best choice.  That was my first discussion point. > > = Two = > > Markup language: I was pulled toward reStructured text, > again because of all the extra stuff that is there already > built around it.  However, after doing a couple of pages, > I really dislike it (esthetically).  I really do prefer using > wiki markup.  I looked at creole in hopes of getting something > that might be more portable but that doesn't seem to > be the silver bullet either, yet. > > I'll want things like the ability to generate text-book-like > pdfs of a set of pages, so students can print easier. > > Should I stick with wiki markup and develop the required > tools based on that?  (they are not high priority). > > = Three = > > Now - self test questions:  I'm intrigued about leveraging > moodle for this purpose; I can easily see having questions > for grading students within moodle - I will probably eventually > do so. > > Moodle stores questions in a relational database, and can > export them in several formats.  I think it might be possible > to develop some python code to either access the moodle > database directly, or read the exported xml (I'ld probably > do both). Then render the questions for anonymous self > testing for wiki book readers.  This is a significant amount > of work, but I don't think its huge (I have done this before, > in 1994, believe it or not ... :-[ > http://http-server.carleton.ca/~nholtz/tut/doc/doc.html > ) > > Most of the hard work is in the user interface to develop > questions, and thats already been done in moodle. > > The way I see this is developing a parser for moin that > would read either the moodle xml or moodle database > info, and present the question. > > Any other quiz engines in python? > > If you got this far, you patience is remarkable. > > Thanks - any kind of comments are welcome. > > > > -- > Neal Holtz                             http://cee.carleton.ca/~nholtz > Dept. of Civil and Environmental Engineering,   Carleton University, > Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K1S 5B6.               nholtz@... > Public Key:  http://holtz3.cee.carleton.ca/~nholtz/pubkey.asc > Office-Hours: http://holtz3.cee.carleton.ca/~nholtz/office-hours.html > Free-Busy: http://holtz3.cee.carleton.ca/~nholtz/free-busy.cgi > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Storage Efficiency Calculator > This modeling tool is based on patent-pending intellectual property that > has been used successfully in hundreds of IBM storage optimization engage- > ments, worldwide.  Store less, Store more with what you own, Move data to > the right place. Try It Now! http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51427378/ > _______________________________________________ > Moin-user mailing list > Moin-user@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/moin-user > > 
 Re: [Moin-user] WikiBooks and Quiz Software: General Discussion From: Neal Holtz - 2011-07-24 16:10:28 On July 24, 2011 12:01:10 PM Ivan F. Villanueva B. wrote: > Hi Neal, > > On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 09:38:20AM -0400, Neal Holtz wrote: > > On July 24, 2011 04:33:34 AM you wrote: > > > Why don't you like RST-syntax? > > [...] > > I would rather type a link as [[http://www....|follow me]] > > rather than follow me__ > > __ http://www.... > > funny, that is one of the main reasons why I prefer RST over other (wiki) syntaxes. > > It is much easier__ to write and read RST__ than other syntaxes__, do you follow me__ ? > > __ http://www_some_long_urls > __ http://www_some_long_urls > __ http://www_some_long_urls > __ http://www_some_long_urls > > Compare: > > It is much [[http://www_some_long_urls|easier]] to write and read > [[http://wwww_some_long_urls|RST]] than [[http://www_some_long_urls|other syntaxes]], do you > [[http://wwww_some_long_urls|follow me]]? > > You do have a point here. I'll think more about this (I hadn't realized you could have several anonymous links like this). neal -- Neal Holtz http://cee.carleton.ca/~nholtz Dept. of Civil and Environmental Engineering, Carleton University, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K1S 5B6. nholtz@... Public Key: http://holtz3.cee.carleton.ca/~nholtz/pubkey.asc Office-Hours: http://holtz3.cee.carleton.ca/~nholtz/office-hours.html Free-Busy: http://holtz3.cee.carleton.ca/~nholtz/free-busy.cgi 
 Re: [Moin-user] WikiBooks and Quiz Software: General Discussion From: Ivan F. Villanueva B. - 2011-07-24 16:01:08 Hi Neal, On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 09:38:20AM -0400, Neal Holtz wrote: > On July 24, 2011 04:33:34 AM you wrote: > > Why don't you like RST-syntax? > [...] > I would rather type a link as [[http://www....|follow me]] > rather than follow me__ > __ http://www.... funny, that is one of the main reasons why I prefer RST over other (wiki) syntaxes. It is much easier__ to write and read RST__ than other syntaxes__, do you follow me__ ? __ http://www_some_long_urls __ http://www_some_long_urls __ http://www_some_long_urls __ http://www_some_long_urls Compare: It is much [[http://www_some_long_urls|easier]] to write and read [[http://wwww_some_long_urls|RST]] than [[http://www_some_long_urls|other syntaxes]], do you [[http://wwww_some_long_urls|follow me]]? -- Kind regards, Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Ivan F. Villanueva B. http://grical.org 
 Re: [Moin-user] WikiBooks and Quiz Software: General Discussion From: Neal Holtz - 2011-07-24 13:38:38 Hi Ivan On July 24, 2011 04:33:34 AM you wrote: > Hello Neal, > > > [wiki for books with math and quiz] > > Your project is very interesting to me. Where can I get updates of it? A Twitter account maybe? Well, I've just got the smallest possible start, right now. Perhaps it'll firm up a little this week, then I'll post a URL or something ... > > For MoinMoin there are latex-plugins, and RST as default syntax works good. > Why don't you like RST-syntax? Haven't tried the LaTeX plugins yet, but as for RST - I've no really compelling reasons for preferring wiki markup, and perhaps as the project gets larger, rst will show more of its advantages. But ... - I was pretty used to wiki markup, knew my way around it a bit and am learning rst now for this. rst is different, so its a bit frustrating at first ... - the first thing I ran into, after about the first 10 minutes, was what I consider a *really* dumb decision in rst regarding headings. If you have only 1 top level page heading in a document it gets promoted up to a document title. If you have 2 or more, it doesn't. So if you add a new section to a page, the heading structure changes. I eventually found the options that turn that off, and tweaked the moin rst parser to work 'properly', but it was a bad start to learning rst, making me less tolerant of other differences ... - minor aesthetics, such as: I would rather type a link as [[http://www....|follow me]] rather than follow me__ __ http://www.... I've got my 3-page site in both formats and haven't yet made a final decision ... > > You could however probably spare time if you hack your own system. I, for my personal on-line notes, > hacked a script in Python that generates webpages and pdfs (not finished) out of RST files, see for > instance this page (specially the formulas within it): http://ogai.name/uned/programacion_II/ > > Note that the math is not ugly graphics like MediaWiki does, but scalable formulas. Increase the > font size to see how the formula also increase (you might need to just install some fonts). I > describe everything here: http://ogai.name/software/gridcms/ I'll look at gridcms more seriously -- thanks for the pointer. In my initial trials, I tried MathJax rather than jsMath - again no really compelling reason (though I like that fact that you don't have to install fonts). It seems to work pretty smoothly so far, but I would be interested if anyone has comments regarding MathJax vs jsMath. neal > > Ivan > > On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 05:40:38PM -0400, Neal Holtz wrote: > > Hello - I'm just looking for general comments, if anyone cares > > to give them. (I apologize in advance for the length of this msg). > > > > I'm planning to start developing a wiki text book for a university > > level engineering course I'm teaching. I've so far only got a page > > or two and a rough structure as a proof of concept. In addition > > to the easily added extra value such as images, photos, problem > > solving videos (ala Khan Academy), I'ld like other media there > > as well, such as interactive self test questions, application > > software, perhaps links to things like sagemath worksheets, etc. > > > > Oh yes: a lot of mathematics is involved. > > > > = One = > > > > I suppose I should really start with WikiBooks, particularly as > > there is the start of a text on the subject there already. It does > > provide some nice stuff out of the box, such as pdf creation > > for an entire text (or subset, I assume). However, the things > > I don't like are: > > - I don't think I can get the software, and I really don't want > > to host this on their server. > > - MediaWiki on which it based can be installed, but I really > > don't want to program in php if I don't have to ... And I > > do expect some new code will be necessary > > > > So I guess if I want to extend a wiki system using Python, that > > MoinMoin is the best choice. That was my first discussion point. > > > > = Two = > > > > Markup language: I was pulled toward reStructured text, > > again because of all the extra stuff that is there already > > built around it. However, after doing a couple of pages, > > I really dislike it (esthetically). I really do prefer using > > wiki markup. I looked at creole in hopes of getting something > > that might be more portable but that doesn't seem to > > be the silver bullet either, yet. > > > > I'll want things like the ability to generate text-book-like > > pdfs of a set of pages, so students can print easier. > > > > Should I stick with wiki markup and develop the required > > tools based on that? (they are not high priority). > > > > = Three = > > > > Now - self test questions: I'm intrigued about leveraging > > moodle for this purpose; I can easily see having questions > > for grading students within moodle - I will probably eventually > > do so. > > > > Moodle stores questions in a relational database, and can > > export them in several formats. I think it might be possible > > to develop some python code to either access the moodle > > database directly, or read the exported xml (I'ld probably > > do both). Then render the questions for anonymous self > > testing for wiki book readers. This is a significant amount > > of work, but I don't think its huge (I have done this before, > > in 1994, believe it or not ... :-[ > > http://http-server.carleton.ca/~nholtz/tut/doc/doc.html > > ) > > > > Most of the hard work is in the user interface to develop > > questions, and thats already been done in moodle. > > > > The way I see this is developing a parser for moin that > > would read either the moodle xml or moodle database > > info, and present the question. > > > > Any other quiz engines in python? > > > > If you got this far, you patience is remarkable. > > > > Thanks - any kind of comments are welcome. > > > > > > > -- Neal Holtz http://cee.carleton.ca/~nholtz Dept. of Civil and Environmental Engineering, Carleton University, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K1S 5B6. nholtz@... Public Key: http://holtz3.cee.carleton.ca/~nholtz/pubkey.asc Office-Hours: http://holtz3.cee.carleton.ca/~nholtz/office-hours.html Free-Busy: http://holtz3.cee.carleton.ca/~nholtz/free-busy.cgi 
 Re: [Moin-user] WikiBooks and Quiz Software: General Discussion From: Ivan F. Villanueva B. - 2011-07-24 09:22:52 Hello Neal, > [wiki for books with math and quiz] Your project is very interesting to me. Where can I get updates of it? A Twitter account maybe? For MoinMoin there are latex-plugins, and RST as default syntax works good. Why don't you like RST-syntax? You could however probably spare time if you hack your own system. I, for my personal online notes, hacked a script in Python that generates webpages and pdfs (not finished) out of RST files, see for instance this page (specially the formulas within it): http://ogai.name/uned/programacion_II/ Note that the math is not ugly graphics like MediaWiki does, but scalable formulas. Increase the font size to see how the formula also increase (you might need to just install some fonts). I describe everything here: http://ogai.name/software/gridcms/ Ivan On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 05:40:38PM -0400, Neal Holtz wrote: > Hello - I'm just looking for general comments, if anyone cares > to give them. (I apologize in advance for the length of this msg). > > I'm planning to start developing a wiki text book for a university > level engineering course I'm teaching. I've so far only got a page > or two and a rough structure as a proof of concept. In addition > to the easily added extra value such as images, photos, problem > solving videos (ala Khan Academy), I'ld like other media there > as well, such as interactive self test questions, application > software, perhaps links to things like sagemath worksheets, etc. > > Oh yes: a lot of mathematics is involved. > > = One = > > I suppose I should really start with WikiBooks, particularly as > there is the start of a text on the subject there already. It does > provide some nice stuff out of the box, such as pdf creation > for an entire text (or subset, I assume). However, the things > I don't like are: > - I don't think I can get the software, and I really don't want > to host this on their server. > - MediaWiki on which it based can be installed, but I really > don't want to program in php if I don't have to ... And I > do expect some new code will be necessary > > So I guess if I want to extend a wiki system using Python, that > MoinMoin is the best choice. That was my first discussion point. > > = Two = > > Markup language: I was pulled toward reStructured text, > again because of all the extra stuff that is there already > built around it. However, after doing a couple of pages, > I really dislike it (esthetically). I really do prefer using > wiki markup. I looked at creole in hopes of getting something > that might be more portable but that doesn't seem to > be the silver bullet either, yet. > > I'll want things like the ability to generate text-book-like > pdfs of a set of pages, so students can print easier. > > Should I stick with wiki markup and develop the required > tools based on that? (they are not high priority). > > = Three = > > Now - self test questions: I'm intrigued about leveraging > moodle for this purpose; I can easily see having questions > for grading students within moodle - I will probably eventually > do so. > > Moodle stores questions in a relational database, and can > export them in several formats. I think it might be possible > to develop some python code to either access the moodle > database directly, or read the exported xml (I'ld probably > do both). Then render the questions for anonymous self > testing for wiki book readers. This is a significant amount > of work, but I don't think its huge (I have done this before, > in 1994, believe it or not ... :-[ > http://http-server.carleton.ca/~nholtz/tut/doc/doc.html > ) > > Most of the hard work is in the user interface to develop > questions, and thats already been done in moodle. > > The way I see this is developing a parser for moin that > would read either the moodle xml or moodle database > info, and present the question. > > Any other quiz engines in python? > > If you got this far, you patience is remarkable. > > Thanks - any kind of comments are welcome. > > > > -- > Neal Holtz http://cee.carleton.ca/~nholtz > Dept. of Civil and Environmental Engineering, Carleton University, > Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K1S 5B6. nholtz@... > Public Key: http://holtz3.cee.carleton.ca/~nholtz/pubkey.asc > Office-Hours: http://holtz3.cee.carleton.ca/~nholtz/office-hours.html > Free-Busy: http://holtz3.cee.carleton.ca/~nholtz/free-busy.cgi 

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