From: Christof P. <chr...@pe...> - 2001-05-28 06:47:13
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Hello, Though there still is some traffic on this mailing list, I never received an answer when I asked for recent development activities (I asked about a newer version or a CVS repository). As it looks to me: - there are still some users answering questions - there is no development activity going on Is there a maintainer? Where to send patches? Where to get a development snapshot? Does anybody port to gcc-2.95.3 or up? Are there _any_ plans for the future? Originally my postings were an offer to help: I want/need to set up C++ to work with cygwin. There was no reply to questions, there was no reply to documentation or insights I posted. Christof (glade-- maintainer) PS: Yes I try to provoke an answer with this subject, I apologize. |
From: Mo D. <md...@cy...> - 2001-05-28 07:05:39
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On Mon, 28 May 2001, Christof Petig wrote: ... Is there any point in posting "Is project X dead"? What kind of response do you expect? Instead, how about posting something along the lines of: I have some free time, how could I help? For example, you could grab the sources for gcc 3.0 and try to bootstrap them with the mingw32 target. Mo DeJong Red Hat Inc |
From: Christof P. <chr...@pe...> - 2001-05-28 08:08:11
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Mo DeJong wrote: > On Mon, 28 May 2001, Christof Petig wrote: > > ... > > Is there any point in posting "Is project X dead"? > What kind of response do you expect? A sign of live. Or a sign of death (no reply) > Instead, how > about posting something along the lines of: > > I have some free time, how could I help? I spent one week trying to compile [libstdc++ and] a simple C++ program. I asked several questions - no reply. I even posted my experience - not a single reply. To summarize: There is no working libstdc++.a! And I have strong difficulties with libgcc! The specs file of cygwin is broken WRT mno-cygwin and c++. I offered my help. Desperately > For example, you could grab the sources for > gcc 3.0 and try to bootstrap them with > the mingw32 target. Do you say I won't need any patches? I simply tried to do that (libstdc++*.tar.gz) but failed. And libtool and the like seem to be not supported. What about the patches on mingw.sourceforge.org are they integrated? Puzzled Christof |
From: Tony K. <al...@po...> - 2001-05-28 07:40:01
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Quoth Christof Petig on Monday, 28 May: : : - there are still some users answering questions : - there is no development activity going on : I gather the same impression. : Are there _any_ plans for the future? I think the cygwin -mno-cygwin option has stolen a lot of mingw thunder. But I have also heard intimiations on the gcc lists that -mno-cygwin might get desupported, which might motivate more mingw work. I'm personally keen to have gcj working with win32 threads (not cygwin posix threads), so that I can deliver native win32 .exes without cygwin1.dll. But I've got enough work right now just getting libgcj to work under cygwin (problems with boehm-gc at the moment). I think that's a reasonable first step. Then I'll start banging my head against the mingw wall. I must confess I don't have an interest in bootstrapping though -- it is so much easier and quicker to work under linux with a cross-compiler, as opposed to cygwin, which is just *horrible* these days, performance-wise. |
From: Christof P. <chr...@pe...> - 2001-05-28 07:58:29
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Tony Kimball wrote: > Quoth Christof Petig on Monday, 28 May: > : > : - there are still some users answering questions > : - there is no development activity going on > : > I gather the same impression. 5 replies in about half an hour - the project itself is definitely not dead. > : Are there _any_ plans for the future? > > I think the cygwin -mno-cygwin option has stolen a lot of mingw > thunder. But I have also heard intimiations on the gcc lists that > -mno-cygwin might get desupported, which might motivate more mingw > work. My projects strongly depend on automake, autoconf, cvs, libtool etc. So using cygwin as a build envoronment is a natural choice to me. And since I need PostgreSQL as well, pure MinGW does not suit all my needs. If I don't succeed to build my application with cygwin within three weeks, I will switch to cross compiling (I thought it would be easier to do it natively ....) Just FYI. My environment is: - Gtk+ / Gtk-- / Glade-- - C++ - Embedded SQL (PostgreSQL) > I'm personally keen to have gcj working with win32 threads (not cygwin > posix threads), so that I can deliver native win32 .exes without > cygwin1.dll. Cool. Java binaries for Windows, made with GNU tools. > I must confess I don't have an interest in bootstrapping though -- > it is so much easier and quicker to work under linux with a > cross-compiler, as opposed to cygwin, which is just *horrible* > these days, performance-wise. It is! Agreed! I'll give cross-compiling a try. Christof |
From: Christof P. <chr...@pe...> - 2001-05-28 08:53:49
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Markus Trenkwalder wrote: > > Just FYI. My environment is: > > - Gtk+ / Gtk-- / Glade-- > > Did you get this for cygwin? Where did you get it? Is there any ready to > install version of this packages? There is 'some' old version of gtk+ for MinGW. (see www.gtk.org -> Windows) I'm currently trying compiling libsigc++ with MinGW (prerequisite for gtk--). If I have success, I will post to this list, of course. I never tried cygwin. Perhaps you're lucky to compile gtk+ on cygwin. Christof |
From: Michael S. <mic...@on...> - 2001-05-28 10:50:51
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From: "Tony Kimball" <al...@po...> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 9:40 AM > Quoth Christof Petig on Monday, 28 May: > : Are there _any_ plans for the future? > > I think the cygwin -mno-cygwin option has stolen a lot of mingw > thunder. That's right, but only because mingw doesn't have a real shell. I only use cygwin because I need a bash and the possibility to run ./configure. Michael |
From: <dan...@ya...> - 2001-05-28 08:04:58
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--- Christof Petig <chr...@pe...> wrote: > Hello, > > Though there still is some traffic on this mailing list, I never > received an answer when I asked for recent development activities (I > asked about a newer version or a CVS repository). > > As it looks to me: > - there are still some users answering questions > - there is no development activity going on > > Is there a maintainer? > Where to send patches? > Where to get a development snapshot? > Does anybody port to gcc-2.95.3 or up? > Are there _any_ plans for the future? > Have a look around here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/ > Originally my postings were an offer to help: I want/need to set up C++ > to work with cygwin. There was no reply to questions, there was no reply > to documentation or insights I posted. On the cygwin list about two months ago, there was a post from some deadbeat about a mingw-extra-2.95.3 for cygwin. If you follow that you should be able to get C++ to work with cygwin. > > Christof > (glade-- maintainer) > > PS: Yes I try to provoke an answer with this subject, I apologize. > No worries. But a more positive approach might be to be more vigorous in searching for information yourself. > _______________________________________________ > MinGW-users mailing list > Min...@li... > > You may change your MinGW Account Options at: > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-users _____________________________________________________________________________ http://messenger.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Messenger - Voice chat, mail alerts, stock quotes and favourite news and lots more! |
From: Christof P. <chr...@pe...> - 2001-05-28 08:17:48
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Danny Smith wrote: > Have a look around here: > https://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/ I even browsed it's CVS. It contains only web space - no programs, no patches. > > Originally my postings were an offer to help: I want/need to set up C++ > > to work with cygwin. There was no reply to questions, there was no reply > > to documentation or insights I posted. > > On the cygwin list about two months ago, there was a post from some deadbeat > about a mingw-extra-2.95.3 for cygwin. If you follow that you should be able > to get C++ to work with cygwin. The mingw C++ packages are broken (libstdc++.a). I reported that on this ML. No reply. > > PS: Yes I try to provoke an answer with this subject, I apologize. > > > > No worries. But a more positive approach might be to be more vigorous in > searching for information yourself. The scaring thing about this is: I know all of this. I simply didn't find any living person involved in _current_ development. But ... I got some replies and am in touch with some people involved, now. (though no C++, yet) Christof |
From: Greg C. <chi...@mi...> - 2001-05-28 14:54:39
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Christof Petig wrote: > > Though there still is some traffic on this mailing list A quick glance through my logs suggests that traffic has been at substantially the same level for months. > I never received an answer when I asked for recent development > activities (I asked about a newer version or a CVS repository). Your message sent last Friday, 2001-05-25T13:06:07 +0200? That was the day before a major US holiday weekend (where 'holiday' == day off, as opposed to 'vacation'), so some people in this country might be temporarily offline. > As it looks to me: > - there are still some users answering questions > - there is no development activity going on Looks like the news archive here http://sourceforge.net/news/?group_id=2435 has nine announcements last year and seven this year. > Is there a maintainer? This page http://sourceforge.net/project/memberlist.php?group_id=2435 names the developers and 'project admins'. > Where to send patches? At the bottom of this page http://www.mingw.org/ it says "Please submit bugs and web site problems (bad html, broken links) via online bugtracker form" and gives a link. > Where to get a development snapshot? > Does anybody port to gcc-2.95.3 or up? > Are there _any_ plans for the future? > > Originally my postings were an offer to help: I want/need to set up C++ > to work with cygwin. There was no reply to questions, there was no reply > to documentation or insights I posted. This page http://sourceforge.net/project/memberlist.php?group_id=2435 says "If you would like to contribute to this project by becoming a developer, contact one of the project admins, designated in bold text below." Since mingw is a collection of headers and implibs, compiler issues may be discussed elsewhere. For example, here's a thread on gcc-2.95.3 and mingw: http://www.mail-archive.com/cyg...@so.../msg00638.html How important is 2.95.3 to you? The changes listed here http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-2.95/gcc-2.95.3.html don't seem compelling to me personally, so I'm not going to contribute to that development. OTOH I am writing a patch for some numeric stuff that is important to me, but may not be to you. We can all best vote with the patches we submit. |
From: Christof P. <chr...@pe...> - 2001-05-28 17:03:13
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Greg Chicares wrote: > Christof Petig wrote: > > I never received an answer when I asked for recent development > > activities (I asked about a newer version or a CVS repository). > > Your message sent last Friday, 2001-05-25T13:06:07 +0200? > That was the day before a major US holiday weekend (where > 'holiday' == day off, as opposed to 'vacation'), so some > people in this country might be temporarily offline. It was not my first message which went unanswered. I was tired of setting up mingw with cygwin and having different results on different days with the same program. Right now, not even the hello_world.cc does work (SIGSEGV) with libstdc++.dll and libstdc++.a has unresolved symbols. [ No reply to that problem report, still] Perhaps you can tell me why directly linking to a .dll (once) worked for me. Somebody told me that I have to link agains a wrapper .a library. > Looks like the news archive here > http://sourceforge.net/news/?group_id=2435 > has nine announcements last year and seven this year. You're right. > This page > http://sourceforge.net/project/memberlist.php?group_id=2435 > names the developers and 'project admins'. Sorry. > At the bottom of this page > http://www.mingw.org/ > it says > "Please submit bugs and web site problems (bad html, > broken links) via online bugtracker form" > and gives a link. Ok. Agreed. I'll file one or two. > Since mingw is a collection of headers and implibs, compiler > issues may be discussed elsewhere. For example, here's a > thread on gcc-2.95.3 and mingw: > http://www.mail-archive.com/cyg...@so.../msg00638.html Thank you for this link! > How important is 2.95.3 to you? The changes listed here > http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-2.95/gcc-2.95.3.html > don't seem compelling to me personally, so I'm not going > to contribute to that development. OTOH I am writing a patch > for some numeric stuff that is important to me, but may not > be to you. We can all best vote with the patches we submit. Personally, I would like to get cygwin's 'mno-cygwin' with C++ up and running. It looks like I have to compile libstdc++ and libgcc myself. So I can start to port Sigc++, Gtk-- & Co. MinGW as a build environment has no appeal to me, since I need automake/autoconf for nearly every of the 6 packages involved. I'll give it another try this week. And I will be more patient waiting for replies to error postings. I simply _had_ some time to spend and wanted to see results fast. Well, I'll try again ... Thank you for your time replying in this length. Yours Christof |