Re: [mantisbt-dev] MantisBT style guide and semantic restructuring

[Robert M. <rob...@gm...>]

Guys (and gals) , this is not getting anywhere

We should come up with a simple listing of supported browsers and
versions, along the lines of:

1) Firefox 3.0+
2) Recent versions of Opera, Chromium, Konqueror, Safari. In my
experience this comes almost for free from 1), so it's no big deal.
3) IE7

IE6 support, if needed, can come through community contributions. It's
not _that_ hard to add a IE6-specific stylesheet, if needed. Mobile
versions should also come easy, if needed, provided we have a good
semantic foundation to MantisBT's markup. Let's not aim straight for
that. Our focus must be "transforming the markup that we output into
clean, valid, semantic markup", and not "supporting all browsers and
devices from day one". It's simply too much.

Cheers,

Robert

P.S.

http://ezinearticles.com/?How-Do-You-Eat-An-Elephant?&id=945215

:-)

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Roland Becker <ro...@at...> wrote:
> John,
>
> I agree that backward compatibility is very important, but I think there can also be an end without shocking administrators.
> IE6 was released August 27, 2001.
> If there will be a nearly complete rewrite of MantisBT this will not be in 2010 when it's available as a stable relase, maybe even not 2011.
> Do you really think that you have to support a browser (or hardware) which is more than 10 years old?
> Where is the problem to update?
>
> It's quite normal to do it that way: For example if you want to have IE9 on a client you will have to install Windows Vista or Windows 7. Windows XP will not be supported.
> Another example: You can't run Oracle 11 with Windows NT, .......
> There must be a cut off, if you want to use new features.
>
> Again, where is the problem to go on using MantisBT 1.2.x with IE6 next 10 years for those who are not able to update their clients?
>
> You wrote "If Mantis is going to require only the latest browsers, IE9, Firefox 4, or Chrome 6, I would suspect there will be a lot of Mantis admins that will start looking for a replacement.
> "
> If I am right, the discussion until now was just to desupport IE6 (my statement) and David wrote about desupporting (IE6-7)
> Would that be acceptable?
>
> Regards,
>
> Roland
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> Betreff: Re: [mantisbt-dev] MantisBT style guide and semantic restructuring
> Gesendet: Mo, 18. Okt 2010
> Von: Fetzik, John<JF...@sa...>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> A lot of this depends on how Mantis is being used, who your users are and
>> who controls the client side.
>>
>> In our case Mantis is for internal use only with about 15 users. I have
>> control of about 40 servers, but I have no control or even input into what
>> gets installed on the 2000 client PCs in the company. So while I can keep
>> Mantis as up to date as I want, I can not get a browser upgrade anywhere
>> other then the two PCs I use for development work.
>>
>> For those that have Mantis facing the outside world they too would have no
>> control over what browser, much less what version, is being used either. If
>> you are stuck using an old version of Mantis simply because it only supports
>> browsers less then a year old, you are going to seriously start looking at a
>> replacement for Mantis.
>>
>> The key point is that many Mantis administrators have no control over what
>> browser or browser version their users will connect with. If Mantis is going
>> to require only the latest browsers, IE9, Firefox 4, or Chrome 6, I would
>> suspect there will be a lot of Mantis admins that will start looking for a
>> replacement. Requiring a small subset of browsers does make development much
>> easier, but it also limits your potential user base. It is  a trade off that
>> the Mantis lead developers will have to make.
>>
>>
>> John S. Fetzik
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Hicks [mailto:hic...@op...]
>> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 1:22 AM
>> To: developer discussions
>> Subject: Re: [mantisbt-dev] MantisBT style guide and semantic restructuring
>>
>> On Fri, 2010-10-15 at 23:39 +0200, Roland Becker wrote:
>> > For those who wrote that they want to see that MantisBT changes everything
>> but do not want to change anything:
>> > Go on using MantisBT 1.2.x with IE6 as long as possible and tell your IT
>> management why using MantisBT 2.0 would be an advantage.
>> > If there is no advantage, go on with 1.2. If there is any advantage but
>> IE6 has to be used, sell your stocks.
>>
>> Organisations enforcing the use of old browser technology (IE6-7) are
>> probably not going to be too keen on using the latest whiz bang version of
>> MantisBT. I would have thought most organisations using MantisBT with
>> IE6-7 browsers are still using MantisBT 1.1.x.
>>
>> I don't see the logic in holding back an organisation from using a
>> current/recent browser version while allowing the organisation to use a
>> bleeding edge version of MantisBT. It sounds to me like a strong case for
>> upgrading browsers hasn't been put forward. Or in the event that the
>> holdback is due to reliance on web interfaces using deprecated technology
>> such as VBScript/ActiveX/Java Applets, a case for installing multiple
>> browser versions to the same computer.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> David
>>
>>
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